Jase 43,479 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pizy said: I mean, he’s arguably the best in the world at his position… Just now, NikkiCFC said: It is. It is like signing prime Maicon. Okay....not sure if I agree with that at all but for argument's sake, even if he is, he's not the Messi or Ronaldo of a wing back and his price tag is hardly astronomical compared to Haaland for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jas said: Okay....not sure if I agree with that at all but for argument's sake, even if he is, he's not the Messi or Ronaldo of a wing back and his price tag is hardly astronomical compared to Haaland for example. I think they just mean fantasy as in the best possible signing for the position, not fantasy as in unattainable. King Kante 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Artandur said: I think they just mean fantasy as in the best possible signing for the position, not fantasy as in unattainable. Still. I don't think Hakimi is considered too big for our club or someone you wouldn't have imagined us signing a month ago or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2D2 368 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Artandur said: I think they just mean fantasy as in the best possible signing for the position, not fantasy as in unattainable. Trust Jas to create controversy around it 👍 Edited June 10, 2021 by R2D2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,280 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jas said: Still. I don't think Hakimi is considered too big for our club or someone you wouldn't have imagined us signing a month ago or something. Tbf, I don’t think anyone is too big for our club. By fantasy signing I mean someone who we didn’t think was possible because their clubs would be mad to let them go. Someone you had no idea was actually possible because they aren’t generally available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, R2D2 said: Trust Jas to create controversy around it 👍 How is that even controversial? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Pizy said: Tbf, I don’t think anyone is too big for our club. By fantasy signing I mean someone who we didn’t think was possible because their clubs would be mad to let them go. Someone you had no idea was actually possible because they aren’t generally available. Still wouldn't consider Hakimi in that category. I guess we just have different definition of "fantasy signing" here. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,792 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Can he play as a winger or as an RB in a 4-man defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,666 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 alright, prime maicon? isnt that a bit too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, whats happening said: alright, prime maicon? isnt that a bit too much Possibly, I would say it is like signing Dani Alves in 2007 before you knew what he would go on to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,280 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jas said: Still wouldn't consider Hakimi in that category. I guess we just have different definition of "fantasy signing" here. 🙂 I assume your definition is basically just Messi or Neymar level players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,516 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 In World dream team squad of 23 player I think Kimmich and Hakimi would be RB options. But if Southgate is coach you would have 2 more tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pizy said: I assume your definition is basically just Messi or Neymar level players? Yeah, I mean you're not declaring it's now or never with Hakimi, are you? Or worrying that we might lose out to PSG on Hakimi like you do with Haaland? 🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: In World dream team squad of 23 player I think Kimmich and Hakimi would be RB options. But if Southgate is coach you would have 2 more tho... This. When I said fantasy I meant anyone that would be in the hypothectical 'World FC' squad of 23. I mean, full back positions are probably the least glamorous of all the outfield positions but that doesn't mean the players in these positions aren't fantastic signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,280 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jas said: Yeah, I mean you're not declaring it's now or never with Hakimi, are you? Or worrying that we might lose out to PSG on Hakimi like you do with Haaland? 🤪 Nah. But only because we have options at RWB whereas we don’t with striker. Missing out on Hakimi wouldn’t be devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 9,104 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 hace 3 horas, Pizy dijo: I just think that Dortmund's supporters would riot if they sold both in the same window. There's no chance they'd be able to make up for the production of their two best players. They'd basically be giving up on next season before it even begins. Tbf I disagree with this completely. Dortmund have always been that sort of club. They sell 2/3/4 of their best players every 2 transfer windows more or less and then just keep on churning out young players/making clever buys in their place. Its their whole business model. They can deny they are a “selling club/development club” but they have been for the best part of 7 years. This is ultimately part of what led to Tuchel’s bust up there also and him getting sacked as he was particularly unhappy regarding the sales of Hummels, Gundogan and Mkhitaryan who were 3 of his key players. Dortmund definitely didn’t sign Haaland with the aims of him staying there for like 3/4/5/6 years, they signed him for 1 or 2 seasons max, where he would be playing every week, improving, with the idea or aim to sell him for a massive profit. Sancho as well, I don’t think they anticipated him having such an impact so soon, so to get 4 seasons out of him I think hes run his course there as well 100%. But they’ll do what they do, they’ll find another few young players or a few smart signings somewhere and then, 2/3 years later, rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Tbf I disagree with this completely. Dortmund have always been that sort of club. They sell 2/3/4 of their best players every 2 transfer windows more or less and then just keep on churning out young players/making clever buys in their place. Its their whole business model. They can deny they are a “selling club/development club” but they have been for the best part of 7 years. This is ultimately part of what led to Tuchel’s bust up there also and him getting sacked as he was particularly unhappy regarding the sales of Hummels, Gundogan and Mkhitaryan who were 3 of his key players. Dortmund definitely didn’t sign Haaland with the aims of him staying there for like 3/4/5/6 years, they signed him for 1 or 2 seasons max, where he would be playing every week, improving, with the idea or aim to sell him for a massive profit. Sancho as well, I don’t think they anticipated him having such an impact so soon, so to get 4 seasons out of him I think hes run his course there as well 100%. But they’ll do what they do, they’ll find another few young players or a few smart signings somewhere and then, 2/3 years later, rinse and repeat. I actually see Dortmund maybe having a problem in selling Sancho. I say this not because he isn't a good player but because he is only 21 and has two years left on his contract and he is on big money (reportedly £110k a week.) For me, it makes much more sense financially for him to stay at Dortmund for another two years as: 1) If he moves on a free his wages/signing on fee is going to be absolutely insane. 2) Spending another two years in Germany at the age of 21, 22, 23 for the second biggest team there, means his development is still going to progress nicely. Personally, I would be slightly amazed if he really wanted to leave now. Only reason I can really see is if he is seriously homesick. Edited June 10, 2021 by King Kante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 9,104 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) hace 14 minutos, King Kante dijo: I actually see Dortmund maybe having a problem in selling Sancho. I say this not because he isn't a good player but because he is only 21 and has two years left on his contract and he is on big money (reportedly £110k a week.) For me, it makes much more sense financially for him to stay at Dortmund for another two years as: 1) If he moves on a free his wages/signing on fee is going to be absolutely insane. 2) Spending another two years, between the ages of 21-22 in Germany for the second biggest team there, means his development is still going to progress nicely. I think he had an agreement with them after last summer though, that he would stay another season and could go this summer because United had bid for him then but weren’t prepared to meet their price. What your saying makes sense for the player from his point of view but it also severely shafts Dortmund as they get no resale contributions at all, which is ultimately their business model if they like it or not, buy cheap, develop the player, maybe win a few trophies but then sell the player for a lot of profit. Lewandowski did this years ago for instance, going to Bayern on a free, Dortmund didn’t see a penny. Edited June 10, 2021 by OneMoSalah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,954 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) All personal agreements with Man United are done with Sancho, his wage is not an issue. ManU submitted an initial bid and they are 20M apart. Unless we try to steal Sancho, I think ManU completes it. Edited June 10, 2021 by ZAPHOD2319 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,110 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jype said: From what I've seen Hakimi is not that great in a back 4 but as a wing-back he is devastatingly effective and probably the best in the world at the moment. He's probably one of the fastest top level players out there so he would offer something no other FB / WB in the team currently does. If he's signed, I'll happily have him in the squad but if the transfer doesn't happen I'm not that bothered because the wing-back areas are already pretty well covered. Best wingbacks LWB Bukayo Saka (lol, can you imagine if we gangstered Arse's best player!!!) Theo Hernández Robin Gosens Nuno Mendes Raphaël Guerreiro Ramy Bensebaini Angeliño Borna Sosa Ryan Sessegnon Luis Díaz Abner Club (Athletico Paranaense) Junior Firpo Maxwel Cornet complete wildcard Noni Madueke 19yo winger, left footer, fairly big and very strong, insane pace tore up the Dutch league when he played London lad I think he could be converted RWB Achraf Hakimi Silas Katompa Mvumpa (out with a knee injury atm though, if he recovers we could be a massive weapon if we fail on Hakimi) Emerson Royal Nordi Mukiele James Justin Enock Mwepu Adama Traoré Ridle Baku Zeki Celik Mert Müldür Joakim Maehle Brandon Soppy Noussair Mazraoui Denzel Dumfries Youcef Atal Pierre Kalulu Kevin Mbabu Valentino Lazaro Devyne Rensch Lutsharel Geertruida Wilfried Singo Rasmus Kristensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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