Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,175]

9 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Yeah maybe better go for Alaba. 

I agree, but Bayern will not sell him now, and I so doubt in the summer either unless he refuses to renew, in which case they will sell and for less as he walks on a free in June 2021. 

He is their best CB atm as Hernandez and Süle are out with long term injuries, Süle for the year more than likely.

[Vesper 30,175]

3 hours ago, Alabama said:

Thats the hypocrisy here on TC...YES Chillwell is quality going forward but his defensive side of the game is still a suspect...Am not sold on him at all yet we are going to drop 70m for him...If Emerson had that kind of game...He will crazily slaughtered here...

Its £80m for Chilwell, and yes, he looked like dogshit today.

No way is he worth £80m if that is how he plays half the time (or even 15-20%).

For £83m we could buy BOTH Telles AND Grimaldo. 

And do it in January as they have release clauses.

Sell Alonso and Emerson, that brings in around £60m or so. Inter and Juve want them badly.

So for around £23m we have just MASSIVELY upgraded our weakest position TWO DEEP.

FUCKING NUMPTY BOARD.

And Lamps is getting WAY too comfortable playing the utterly dismal (at that position only) Azpi at LB. He is nucking futs if he thinks Azpi is a viable LB for us for a year or two more. It is capitulation. It destroys our entire left side attack.

I can see this (if Lampard goes that route of Azpi as our main LB) becoming the number one thing in all sports that slowly drives me bonkers. It will fuck us up and badly so. Surely Frank cannot be THAT foolish, especially when just a small amount of quid massively flips the script.

Hell, that Gosens bloke from Atalanta looks streets ahead of all 3 options we have now. He is on pace to score around 15 goals with 10 assists in a full (3500-3600 minute) season as a left back. He scored tonight against the best defensive team in Serie A, Inter, and helped set up a potentially game-winning pen (that they missed, lolol).

[King Kante 1,643]

Not ever really been sold on Chilwell for £70m+. Some of his performances in Nov-Dec made me think twice but I cannot help thinking he is like Cresswell who played well for about six months when he went to Wet Spam and then suddenly got linked with top dollar transfers. For me, Telles at £30m or Chilwell for £70m+ is not really a hard decision as whilst Telles isn't the greatest LB he is not £40m worse than Chilwell. 

As for signings this window we really need another CF. As great as Tammy has been he is still not the finished article and needs some competition. Werner is the dream but if not him then I am ok with Dembele as long as things do not get crazy fee wise. One player I am surprised we are not looking at is Immobile. That bloke is a goal machine in a top 4 league, not on high wages and at a middling club. I know he underperformed last time he went out of Italy but surely he must be worth a look. 

[LAM09 7,051]

Chilwell got slaughtered against Saints 

Hasn't that been a theme since mid December?

 

 

People are too eager to jump on the hype train. Aside from his nationality, there are better options around Europe at a fraction.

 

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

I have a good feeling about next week.  Based on nothing

[Tomo 21,751]

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He's the Jesse Lingard of left-backs.

Absolute trash.

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Should not start the next game, give him some time off to reflect. Probably the worst or close to his poorest game for us today. He gave the ball away 20 times in the first 45 minutes...

But he's a decent player who is having a torrid time at the moment.

 

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Needs dropping indefinitely. Has been poor for a while and todays performance was disgraceful. Gives off the impression that he thinks hes better than he is. Massively overrated.

 

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Another performance where he fully deserves a minus rating.

If Man City or Chelsea want him that bad then cash in and get rid, he is nothing special.

 

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I question his mentality in general and his whole approach to games. 

He is always on the tunnel cam concentrating on meeting up with mates on the opposition team rather than preparing for the game, it's embarrassing.

There was one occurrence a few weeks a go where an opposition player was pyching himself up having a quiet moment when Chilwell appeared and started trying to hug and talk to him.

He spends more time in the opposition line in the tunnel than ours.

You listen to the top players in sport and a lot of them say the game prep and build up is vital.

 

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 I agree, I think his mentality is a big issue.

There isn't a game he's played where he hasn't left me wondering what's going through his mind at least once.

Whether that be playing it back when he's got a chance to open a team up, looking for a foul that isn't there, just completely switching off, using his left and not his right foot, taking his time on a throw in or corner when the opposition are all over the place, waiting for a player to close him down before deciding it's a good time to clear the ball..

But he can run. 

 

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I said at the time  Mahrez had already beaten Chilwell before a ball was kicked which was definitely a mentality thing . If might have just been a simple case of he used to tear him a new one in training when Ben was still learning his trade but his forms definitely dipped since then . 

 

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I gave Chilwell 2 on the ratings thread for his performance against Villa, which was the lowest I think I’ve ever given.

Today he got a 1. He was that bad.

I always support our players but his form is so atrocious at the moment that he is currently a liability to the team. That cannot continue.

 

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I have said it plenty of times in the past 2 years ,even back in the Premiership yr - Chilwell is over-rated

he is slow in the back

he doesn't dribble much

he's passing is weak

he doesn't score goals or even drive/overlap  into the box

he does do the occasional cross though

 

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Even worse today than midweek. I stand by what I've said before that he's alright, but over-rated.

 

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It got to the point today he was that bad that when Kelechi was getting ready to come on the logical solution in my head was we were gonna sub Chilwell off and put Iheanacho left back as he was the only left footer on the bench 

Leicester fans on Foxes talk regarding Chillwell.

Either they make our fanbase look like the epitome of patience, or he just isn't that good.

[Styl1994 188]

23 minutes ago, Tomo said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leicester fans on Foxes talk regarding Chillwell.

Either they make our fanbase look like the epitome of patience, or he just isn't that good.

Wonder if Lampard might just sign Telles for 35m in this window him and James could be our TAA and Robinson. Both great crosses and would also leave more money for Sancho.

[Tomo 21,751]

8 minutes ago, Styl1994 said:

Wonder if Lampard might just sign Telles for 35m in this window him and James could be our TAA and Robinson. Both great crosses and would also leave more money for Sancho.

Yesterday after Azpi put in a weak cross with his left foot I turned around to the guy next to me and said that was a scoring chance with a dynamic left back.

I just don't think Chilwell offers enough going forward and if he's (by the sounds of what the LCFC fans are saying) poor defensively aswell we're basically looking at an Alonso with pace at best and an expensive Emerson at worst.

I am a bit wary of Telles because usually there's a reason if a player is still yet to properly hit a major league at 27 but with his alleged low release clause (meaning we can recoup if it all goes wrong) and the numbers he has produced going forward I wouldn't be against taking a punt, low risk high reward.

[Jase 43,479]

8 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I assume that is how it works. Every club knows players preference destination due to inside information. For example Werner in the Germany dressing room speaks with teammates (Rudiger) or even in the club (Ampadu). If James Rodriguez doesn't want to play in the PL I'm sure all top clubs are aware of it so they don't bother with negotiations with other clubs. 

It just means that he's open to joining but doesn't necessarily mean he will join.

[Vesper 30,175]

On 1/12/2020 at 8:47 AM, Tomo said:

Yesterday after Azpi put in a weak cross with his left foot I turned around to the guy next to me and said that was a scoring chance with a dynamic left back.

I just don't think Chilwell offers enough going forward and if he's (by the sounds of what the LCFC fans are saying) poor defensively aswell we're basically looking at an Alonso with pace at best and an expensive Emerson at worst.

I am a bit wary of Telles because usually there's a reason if a player is still yet to properly hit a major league at 27 but with his alleged low release clause (meaning we can recoup if it all goes wrong) and the numbers he has produced going forward I wouldn't be against taking a punt, low risk high reward.

So (my usual question to all on the subject of LB's)

who do you think we should buy?

we HAVE to buy someone this January (hopefully but doubtful) or summer

it is sheer and utter madness to trod on with what we have now

Grimaldo is not worth 60m euros IMHO

you already partially threw water on Telles (at least you are open-minded, so hat tip there)

less than zero chance we drop 100m euros on Gaya (nor should we)

Everton will demand close to Grimaldo money for Digne and he is not worth that

David Alaba is a pipe dream, Bayern will never sell him now as he is their best CB atm due to huge injuries, and he soon turns 28, so is not really a long term (more than 3 years) fix, especially for the 70-80m euros or so Bayern will demand

Telles is 6 months younger than DA, but is around half the price of Alaba and Chilwell

Malang Sarr LB experiment at Nice was a bust a true shame as if he was capable he is perfect physically for the EPL, big, strong, very fast, young)

Ake is now apparently off the table overall (foolishly I think given his buyback price) but he is much more of a CB than an LB I think (but would probably be a great backup option at LB)

Almost zero chance Real Madrid will sell either Ferland Mendy or Sergio Reguilón

Absolutely no way do I want any of Shitty's 3 LB's, especially for the price they would demand (Oleksandr Zinchenko is the only one I might be interested in, and he is the least likely to be sold.)

Marcel Halstenberg turns 29 near the start of next season so he is not an option

Nicolás Tagliafico turns 28 at seasons start, and is too small and too expensive (Ajax was saying around a near Grimaldo level valuation of 55m euros last year)

Faouzi Ghoulam is 29yo in a couple weeks and his play has plummeted the past 2 years, so hell no

Maatsen is not the answer, I fear, he is (perhaps) simply too small to be a top class LB in the EPL, plus he is so young and inexperienced

 

this leaves 7 remotely viable options (the first 4 are by far the best atm but have issues making it hard)

if you also say no to all, then I would love to see your options, as we are now truly (taking away all I have just listed plus these 5) down into the dregs or the no chance in hell ones

 

1. Theo Hernández (my new number co-number one option along with Gosens provided Telles is a no go, BUT he loves AC Milan and turned down better clubs last year to sign with them) I think we so need to sound him out

2. Luca Pellegrini (but I see almost no chance Juve will sell him, they have him on loan grooming him to be Alex Sandro's replacement) he has looked great in the games I have seen, turns 21 in March

3. Rayan Aït Nouri (even younger, at only 18yo) This is who I would go for as one of the two LB's we need to buy (we need to sell both Emerson and Alonso, whilst we can still get a total of around £60m for them, they are both shit, in fact so shot that a turgid out of position Azpi has benched them both) Palace, Atletico Madrid want him badly, and some mystery top 5 EPL clubs has put in a bid of 30m euro for him as well (maybe us??)

4. Robin Gosens of Atalanta. Big, pacy, 25yo, scores a lot (on track to score 14 or 15 goals and he scored v Inter last night) I can see him as a viable option

5. Wendell of Bayer Leverkusen, BUT I fear he is an Emerson clone, and he is 27yo in the summer so the 'Telles issue' comes up, that being, if he is that good, why is he still on smaller club and now totally into his peak years? He is nowhere near as good as Telles btw.

then 2 more younger ones

6. Lloyd Kelly 21yo and the tallest on here 1.9m, Bournemouth paid £13.32m for him, but he has been injured

7.  Vitalii Mykolenko (20yo from Dynamo Kyiv, great size, pacy and is coming on fast, we faced him last year in the EL)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[milka 3,394]

TImo who ?  Dembele who ?
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[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

So (my usual question to all on the subject of LB's)

who do you think we should buy?

we HAVE to buy someone this January (hopefully but doubtful) or summer

it is sheer and utter madness to trod on with what we have now

Grimaldo is not worth 60m euros IMHO

you already partially threw water on Telles (at least you are open-minded, so hat tip there)

less than zero chance we drop 100m euros on Gaya (nor should we)

Everton will demand close to Grimaldo money for Digne and he is not worth that

David Alaba is a pipe dream, Bayern will never sell him now as he is their best CB atm due to huge injuries, and he soon turns 28, so is not really a long term (more than 3 years) fix, especially for the 70-80m euros or so Bayern will demand

Telles is 6 months younger than DA, but is around half the price of Alaba and Chilwell

Malang Sarr LB experiment at Nice was a bust a true shame as if he was capable he is perfect physically for the EPL, big, strong, very fast, young)

Ake is now apparently off the table overall (foolishly I think given his buyback price) but he is much more of a CB than an LB I think (but would probably be a great backup option at LB)

Almost zero chance Real Madrid will sell either Ferland Mendy or Sergio Reguilón

Absolutely no way do I want any of Shitty's 3 LB's, especially for the price they would demand (Oleksandr Zinchenko is the only one I might be interested in, and he is the least likely to be sold.)

Marcel Halstenberg turns 29 near the start of next season so he is not an option

Nicolás Tagliafico turns 28 at seasons start, and is too small and too expensive (Ajax was saying around a near Grimaldo level valuation of 55m euros last year)

Faouzi Ghoulam is 29yo in a couple weeks and his play has plummeted the past 2 years, so hell no

Maatsen is not the answer, I fear, he is (perhaps) simply too small to be a top class LB in the EPL, plus he is so young and inexperienced

 

this leaves 7 remotely viable options (the first 4 are by far the best atm but have issues making it hard)

if you also say no to all, then I would love to see your options, as we are now truly (taking away all I have just listed plus these 5) down into the dregs or the no chance in hell ones

 

1. Theo Hernández (my new number one option provided Telles is a no go, BUT he loves AC Milan and turned down better clubs last year to sign with them) I think we so need to sound him out

2. Luca Pellegrini (but I see almost no chance Juve will sell him, they have him on loan grooming him to be Alex Sandro's replacement) he has looked great in the games I have seen, turns 21 in March

3. Rayan Aït Nouri (even younger, at only 18yo) This is who I would go for as one of the two LB's we need to buy (we need to sell both Emerson and Alonso, whilst we can still get a total of around £60m for them, they are both shit, in fact so shot that a turgid out of position Azpi has benched them both) Palace, Atletico Madrid want him badly, and some mystery top 5 EPL clubs has put in a bid of 30m euro for him as well (maybe us??)

4. Robin Gosens of Atalanta. Big, pacy, 25yo, scores a lot (on track to score 14 or 15 goals and he scored v Inter last night) I can see him as a viable option

5. Wendell of Bayer Leverkusen, BUT I fear he is an Emerson clone, and he is 27yo in the summer so the 'Telles issue' comes up, that being, if he is that good, why is he still on smaller club and now totally into his peak years? He is nowhere near as good as Telles btw.

then 2 more younger ones

6. Lloyd Kelly 21yo and the tallest on here 1.9m, Bournemouth paid £13.32m for him, but he has been injured

7.  Vitalii Mykolenko (20yo from Dynamo Kyiv, great size, pacy and is coming on fast, we faced him last year in the EL)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't seen any of him so can't make a solid enough judgement but if Gosens is as good as the stats are suggesting he's definitely worth a look. Reason why my preference is Grimaldo (all be it with a steep price tag) is he's quite tenacious (which often counters a lack of physical/height edge) and defends quite well while offering good stats going the other way. If we get Chilwell I'll get behind him and hope I'm wrong, but apart from a few games in or around the 9-0 I've never looked at him and felt our wide play would go up a level (and even Marcos has the odd few games a season where you think "if we saw that every week")....

I'm hoping the club/Frank/scouts have a left field option in their sights if the out there names above are unattainable, I hate to keep using Klopp as an example (it's just quite apt as if we want to start winning titles again we have to build in a similar way as we don't have the blank cheque the elite clubs and City do) but no top LBs were available in 2017 for him so he thought outside the box and sought after Robertson, if our scouts search hard and wide enough they'll surely/hopefully be a rough diamond of similar mould lurking somewhere.

[Pizy 18,907]

I'm starting to lean more and more to the thought that the club have got word from our main targets that they're willing to come here in the summer and that's why we aren't signing anyone now. 

Could possibly see Ake near deadline day but not any attackers. 

[Vesper 30,175]

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I haven't seen any of him so can't make a solid enough judgement but if Gosens is as good as the stats are suggesting he's definitely worth a look. Reason why my preference is Grimaldo (all be it with a steep price tag) is he's quite tenacious (which often counters a lack of physical/height edge) and defends quite well while offering good stats going the other way. If we get Chilwell I'll get behind him and hope I'm wrong, but apart from a few games in or around the 9-0 I've never looked at him and felt our wide play would go up a level (and even Marcos has the odd few games a season where you think "if we saw that every week"....

I'm hoping the club/Frank/scouts have a left field option in their sights if the out there names above are unattainable, I hate to keep using Klopp as an example (it's just quite apt as if we want to start winning titles again we have to build in a similar way as we don't have the blank cheque the elite clubs and City do) but no top LBs were available in 2017 for him so he thought outside the box and sought after Robertson, if our scouts search hard and wide enough they'll surely/hopefully be a rough diamond of similar mould lurking somewhere.

Robin Gosens

He was marvellous last night and has 5 and a half peak years left

I also love their RM, Tim Castagne

both are progressive and solid defensively

teams with two solid fullbacks do well usually

conversely, poor fullback play can just kill you

as much as some tend to slag off Atalanta, I really respect their scouting, play, and overall business model, they so punch above their weight for a small team

Inter vs Atalanta Highlights
Competition: Serie A
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020
Stadium: Giuseppe Meazza

Highlights

https://yfl.evideohat.com/player/html/H6zb6UZmo2?popup=yes&autoplay=1

Full Match

https://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2020/01/11/inter-vs-atalanta-highlights-full-match-video/

https://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2020/01/11/inter-vs-atalanta-highlights-full-match-video/2/

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[killer1257 3,282]

Robin Gosens

He was marvellous last night and has 5 and a half peak years left

I also love their RM, Tim Castagne

both are progressive and solid defensively

teams with two solid fullbacks do well usually

conversely, poor fullback play can just kill you

as much as some tend to slag off Atalanta, I really respect their scouting, play, and overall business model, they so punch above their weight for a small team

Inter vs Atalanta Highlights
Competition: Serie A
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020
Stadium: Giuseppe Meazza

Highlights

https://yfl.evideohat.com/player/html/H6zb6UZmo2?popup=yes&autoplay=1

Full Match

https://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2020/01/11/inter-vs-atalanta-highlights-full-match-video/

https://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2020/01/11/inter-vs-atalanta-highlights-full-match-video/2/

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Funny thing is that in the first Video you posted, he said his dream club is Schalke 04 and wants to play for them

 

[Vesper 30,175]

3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Funny thing is that in the first Video you posted, he said his dream club is Schalke 04 and wants to play for them haha.


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Well, he is German and Schalke is a great club (I have always liked them and little St Pauli) I HATE Bayern, they are the only German club I actually detest. Borrussia Dortmund are fun to watch. And I wish Hamburg would come back up, it is so strange with them not at top flight. I like Hertha too, most because Berlin is one of my favourite cities on the planet, and they have the BEST techno club scene in the world, plu I have a tonne of mates who support them.

Gosens is from Emmerich am Rhein and Schalke is probably the closest, or near closest big German club to there. He lived right on the Dutch border.

[Tomo 21,751]

9 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Well, he is German and Schalke is a great club (I have always liked them and little St Pauli) I HATE Bayern, they are the only German club I actually detest. Borrussia Dortmund are fun to watch. And I wish Hamburg would come back up, it is so strange with them not at top flight. I like Hertha too, most because Berlin is one of my favourite cities on the planet, and they have the BEST techno club scene in the world, plu I have a tonne of mates who support them.

Gosens is from Emmerich am Rhein and Schalke is probably the closest, or near closest big German club to there. He lived right on the Dutch border.

Outside of The Bridge (which will always be my default numero uno) the Olympic Stadium that Hertha play their games in is probably my favrouite stadium I've visited (just beats Sporting).

It combines historic elements with the required modern touches to almost perfection.

[Vesper 30,175]

3 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Outside of The Bridge (which will always be my default numero uno) the Olympic Stadium that Hertha play their games in I probably my favrouite stadium I've visited (just beats Sporting).

It combines historic elements with the required modern touches to almost perfection.

yes, the renovation was really good

[Marvin123 534]

Read a few posts about Lewis dunk?? 

[lucio 5,418]

honestly just get boga and ake back for £44m