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Nope, it's all about the final this season. Yes missing Champions League isn't ideal but it's not the absolute catastrophe that it would be for teams like Liverpool because I think Roman will sti

I doubt United would even care to be honest (beat Liverpool). They got CL secured and they want players to be fresh for the EL final. If we had beaten Arsenal, not only West Ham are out of the ra

That was a horrid cross from CHO. Showing why he isn't playing. 

5 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Can Rodgers set his team up like that?

Arteta is a naturally negative manager. You only have to see how bad they were against Villareal when they needed to go for the win. He's also picked up some pretty decent results against the likes of Chelsea, United and City during his tenure.

Whilst Leicester carry a threat against a high line that we'll have to worry about, Rodgers will usually set his team up to play and try to take the initiative in a game. I don't think they will be able to play in such an organised way against us for 90 minutes. 

Maybe Leicester won't sit back as much but they could still do something similar. Rodgers has a pretty decent record against the big sides this season.

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1 minute ago, Jas said:

Maybe Leicester won't sit back as much but they could still do something similar. Rodgers has a pretty decent record against the big sides this season.

They do but it's not by playing the way Arsenal did.

I don't even think Arsenal provided a blueprint of how to beat us. Let's be honest tonight was a freak result in the context of the game. Arsenal created nothing and without the mistake the game probably would have played out similar, i.e. forcing Arsenal further back as the game wore on and they would have tried holding on for the draw.

And even playing that deep and organised, we still had a couple of gilt-edged chances missed and hit the woodwork twice, despite most on here going crazy with how bad we played tonight.

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3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

They do but it's not by playing the way Arsenal did.

I don't even think Arsenal provided a blueprint of how to beat us. Let's be honest tonight was a freak result in the context of the game. Arsenal created nothing and without the mistake the game probably would have played out similar, i.e. forcing Arsenal further back as the game wore on and they would have tried holding on for the draw.

And even playing that deep and organised, we still had a couple of gilt-edged chances missed and hit the woodwork twice, despite most on here going crazy with how bad we played tonight.

Well, the idea was certainly there. Press the midfield like West Brom, Fulham, Arsenal (for that goal) did, and you can easily make inroads to our goal. 

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I miss the days where we’d take a few shots outside of the box, we tried to walk it in so often tonight.

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2 minutes ago, DH1988 said:

I miss the days where we’d take a few shots outside of the box, we tried to walk it in so often tonight.

we tried shots but we don't have the players for that. ideally our midfielders would be threatening from range but they just can't shoot.

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1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

we tried shots but we don't have the players for that. ideally our midfielders would be threatening from range but they just can't shoot.

I don't think it's that they can't shoot. They just don't even have a smell for goal.

Kovacic and Kante only score once every 100 years while Jorginho only gets his goals from the penalty spot. We are literally just relying on our front 3 to get the goals. The wing backs may contribute a few if we're lucky. But if the front 3 can't score, like against Real Madrid and Arsenal today, then we have a BIG problem!

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1 minute ago, Jas said:

I don't think it's that they can't shoot. They just don't even have a smell for goal.

Kovacic and Kante only score once every 100 years while Jorginho only gets his goals from the penalty spot. We are literally just relying on our front 3 to get the goals. The wing backs may contribute a few if we're lucky. But if the front 3 can't score, like against Real Madrid and Arsenal today, then we have a BIG problem!

well a smell for goal is necessary to be a good shooter. Plenty of players have good shooting technique but dont know when and how to execute it which makes them bad shooters still. All our midfielders have about average shooting technique but know nothing about what it takes to score with a shot from range so they are bad shooters as well I would say

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21 minutes ago, Jas said:

Well, the idea was certainly there. Press the midfield like West Brom, Fulham, Arsenal (for that goal) did, and you can easily make inroads to our goal. 

It's risk vs reward. There's plenty of times a team has attempted to press us and we've played through the opposition press to create our own inroads.

There are always going to be mistakes throughout a season playing this way. City made one against us for the equaliser at the weekend due to our press on them. But I do think we're one of the more accomplished teams currently keeping possession and playing out a press which makes it braver for a team to aggressively press us.

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The lack of VAR and then the lack of mentioning of the lack of VAR by everyone involved in tonight's coverage seems very iffy to me. There were 3 clear cut moments In the game that deserved an extensive VAR review.. 2 penalty claims and the hand ball.

Nothing said. 

Weird.

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1 hour ago, chippy said:

After that load of cack, if we blow top four as well, then his job might very well be on the line.

He took Arsendl too lightly and put more importance on the Cup than a CL place. Just  inexcusable from such an experienced manager!

Remember, he's only on an 18 month contract as well, so things are now very dodgy for him.

Fingers crossed we win both cups and secure top 4 🤞

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13 minutes ago, DDA said:

The lack of VAR and then the lack of mentioning of the lack of VAR by everyone involved in tonight's coverage seems very iffy to me. There were 3 clear cut moments In the game that deserved an extensive VAR review.. 2 penalty claims and the hand ball.

Nothing said. 

Weird.

Is this something new?

Sterling's tackle last week was barely mentioned, especially compared to the penalty claim not given to City.

Who cares, it makes it all the more sweeter when we win trophies. We've hardly ever had much support in the media and punditry.

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2 hours ago, chippy said:

Fair points.

But can we attract the level of player we need to challenge for the title without CL next season?

Off the top of my head Pirlo, Kante, Aubameyang, Suarez, Zlatan, Pogba, Modric, Ronaldinho (twice), David Silva, Tevez, Yaya, Kova, Di Maria, Vidal and Ribery were all attracted to clubs without CL football.

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1 hour ago, Azul said:

If we want to challenge for the title properly next season then we need another midfielder. Our squad depth in midfield is not good enough. 

Also we need to be able to change from a back 3 formation to a back 4 formation quickly. It's looking very hard for us to create chances when we're a goal down with the current formation. We need another formation to be flexible, and use it when we need a goal. We can't just rely on this system alone.

We've been moaning about our piss poor midfield for three years now. Its not going to get any better with Kova, Jorgi and Kante so we need to break it up and sell two of them. I'd like to see Kova and Jorgi sold in the summer. Neither gives anything to the team much further past the centre circle. Might get 60 million for the two, which is enough to buy a class player who can actually do something in the final third of the pitch. Had more than enough of Kova's mazy little dribbles around the middle of the pitch which result in the sum total of nothing.

 

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

yes, the EL is a fucking league title chances torture test

massive number of games

often 1000's of kilometres away in shit rathole dumpsters

I got stick for saying it last time, but I'd rather no Euro football than be in EL.

If we do end up in it then I'd play our weakest teams possible.

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4 minutes ago, chippy said:

I got stick for saying it last time, but I'd rather no Euro football than be in EL.

If we do end up in it then I'd play our weakest teams possible.

If we ended up in it, we'd rotate and play fringe players in it and should still have enough to make at least the quarters or semi's, at which point it could then become a bigger priority.

I believe though between the two chances we have, one will be taken for Champions League football next season.

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

6 points v Leicester and Villa? Wouldn’t start panicking we should be favourites and more than capable of beating both. Plus I have a feeling United will probably end up extending their unbeaten run tomorrow, a Utd win would be great but even a draw makes it harder for Liverpool. We will see tomorrow I suppose.

The level has to go up again but as someone said look at the reaction after the WBA game, which was a lot worse than tonight performance wise. Plus 2 big finals as well we have to treat these last 4 games all as finals. As we should of been anyway after beating City because we have everything to play for.

First of all, United lost to Leicester on Monday so their unbeaten run has been beaten.

Second of all, tell me HOW are we the favourites? Leicester are above us and playing them back to back and getting through BOTH games with a win is a tough task. I'm not saying we cannot do it, but we have put ourselves in a dangerous position that now we cannot afford to drop anymore points especially if Pool go on to win tomorrow.

A win against Arsenal would have given us that breathing space.

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we need to move on .. we can beat Leicester without problem 

simply unlucky tonight 

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hace 1 hora, Jas dijo:

Have we become Arsenal?

It seems that way.

Not one person will care if we win both the CL and FA cup, even if we were sitting 10th.

But two losses (WBA & tonight) when we are still pretty much in control of our own destiny and everyone loses their mind and starts thinking the “safe option” of regularly finishing top 4 is better than winning a European cup by the looks of it. 

Top clubs celebrate trophy wins not finishing 4th place I thought? Obviously still think we will manage the top 4 but if we miss out and win the CL it makes no difference anyway.

hace 1 hora, chippy dijo:

Its all about CL next season. Get that and everybody should be satisfied with the season. Any trophy on top of that would of course make for a great season.

No CL and things will be very different for a manager on a short contract.

As Jason said, we aren’t Arsenal. Being satisfied with 4th place is settling for a near nothing achievement now a days for a club like us. Go have a look at Arsenal over the years as an example of what making top 4 or top 6 finishes as a major achievement gets you. Or Tottenham. 

Personally, Id rather see us win the CL and FA cup than lose both and finish 4th because its a massive achievement to win any sort of major double, especially one including the CL. Plus these younger or newer players with a few trophy wins its just the beginning, the Havertz, James, Mounts, Chilwells, Gilmours, Pulisics, Werners etc if they get a taste for winning the big trophies, it only aids their development and pushes this group on even more. Everyone in the media always says Man United need to win a trophy under Ole but this group here need it. 100%. Thats why not winning the FA cup or Super Cup last season was huge. It was the same with City winning that FA Cup and then their first PL then Pellegrini came in and then Pep but they’ve never really stopped winning in the last 10 years. This group has been refreshed and need the taste for it.

I still refuse to believe we’ve sacked the season off for 2 cup finals or underestimated anyone.... That starting 11 was more than good enough to beat Arsenal and probably compete v most teams we play. He said he wasn’t happy and what not but that team was good enough to win and with the chances we had still should have won.

Why does the contract length matter? Or no CL for that matter if it comes to it? Look at what no CL did for Antonio Conte in his first season. We aren’t going to sack someone who got us from 8/9th to in the running for the top 4 as well as 2 cup finals. Not only that but showing obvious huge signs of improvement, who wants to be a title contender next season. Plus he has an option for an additional year on his deal. And there were rumours that the the club apparently want to discuss new terms with him prior to the Madrid second leg. So aye, one loss v Arsenal wont change that. 

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This team has a doctor Jeckyl and mister Haydn syndrome.
Start of the season: Awful, with Kepa's errors aggravating the situation.
Then all is well: 4-0 against Sevilla.
Then Lampard wall.
With Tuchel we had three big flops: Albion, Burnley and yesterday.
Against this Arsenal it's not even a local derby yet we lost.
In the crucial weeks to come what face are we going to see ?
If Tuchel finds the rhythm hopefully the good face (doctor Jeckyl). Otherwise ... even Europa for next season is possible.
The low defense lines seems to be a permanent problem and yesterday the situation cried for Oliver's presence but he used him only the last fifteen minutes.
Another thing is the passing game inside our own penalty area (!). This is supposed to drag opponents forward and hence open their defense, when the ball does eventually go through. But the effect is marginal and we concede giveaway goals all the time. We open defenses like that when the opposition is desperate to attack us (aka Real Madrid in the second leg), not with the passing game. The passing game in our own penalty area is a guillotine thing.

 

 

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