The Tuchel Thread

[Special Juan 27,439]

Tuchel's words and management of this so far has been pure perfection, putting all the spotlights on Lukaku.

[OneMoSalah 8,785]

5 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Tuchel's words and management of this so far has been pure perfection, putting all the spotlights on Lukaku.

I think its also a clear sign of Tuchel’s evolution from his time at Dortmund and PSG too. Maybe I am wrong but I feel he may have been a bit more rash if this happened in the past at his other clubs, he looks as if he’s re-evaluated it all and come on leaps and bounds in that side. 

We have also seen Conte’s reaction to Costa’s interview with ESPN Brazil (IIRC) or maybe it was AS/Marca where he said the club treated him like criminal and Conte‘s reaction was combustible or more likely to cause an upset compared to how TT has dealt with it. 

I genuinely believe this scenario and the performance over the last 12 months is proof that this is the best Tuchel in terms of his management skills on and off the field. It also helps that the group and the club are clearly 100% fully behind him.

Edited January 3, 2022 by OneMoSalah

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[Fulham Broadway 16,923]

Tuchel geggenpressen. Ragnick granddadpressing.

[Superblue 6,372]

11 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Tuchel geggenpressen. Ragnick granddadpressing.

Watching United the last few games, getting Tuchel over Rangnick last January has to be one of the biggest wins in recent times.

[Fulham Broadway 16,923]

Just now, Superblue_1986 said:

Watching United the last few games, getting Tuchel over Rangnick last January has to be one of the biggest wins in recent times.

Have you noticed when United players lose the ball, they prance around like show ponies ? Wolves schooled them today

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Have you noticed when United players lose the ball, they prance around like show ponies ? Wolves schooled them today

They either have players with talent but not willing to put in the defensive/pressing side of the game, or players who are capable of doing that side of the game but can barely kick the ball.

There is no middle ground with them and it leaves their team so imbalanced. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,923]

2 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

They either have players with talent but not willing to put in the defensive/pressing side of the game, or players who are capable of doing that side of the game but can barely kick the ball.

There is no middle ground with them and it leaves their team so imbalanced. 

Which is fantastic 😉

[Jase 43,479]

8 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Watching United the last few games, getting Tuchel over Rangnick last January has to be one of the biggest wins in recent times.

Without even hindsight, think that is clear. Rangnick's reputation has come as a sporting director or roles along those lines as opposed to a manager. Plus, he has never managed a big club in his career before. He may have done a good job at them but all the club he's managed are below United/Chelsea's level. 

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

They either have players with talent but not willing to put in the defensive/pressing side of the game, or players who are capable of doing that side of the game but can barely kick the ball.

There is no middle ground with them and it leaves their team so imbalanced. 

Don't think they have the players to play a modern pressing game. This squad have been largely formed on the back of two managers who are pragmatic and like to play more on the counter. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,923]

Just now, Jase said:

Don't think they have the players to play a modern pressing game. This squad have been largely formed on the back of two managers who are pragmatic and like to play more on the counter. 

Its more of a case of Ole and Rangnick have no idea how to manage massive individual egos, for all Fergusons faults, he would have this lot performing perfectly and in fear of him

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1 minute ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Its more of a case of Ole and Rangnick have no idea how to manage massive individual egos, for all Fergusons faults, he would have this lot performing perfectly and in fear of him

Think it's a combination of different things. They haven't had a dominant manager, someone who will hold these players accountable etc in ages. They haven't had a proper manager who is in tune with the modern game in ages. They also have a squad with some very average players. 

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, Jase said:

Don't think they have the players to play a modern pressing game. This squad have been largely formed on the back of two managers who are pragmatic and like to play more on the counter. 

Yeah completely agree.

I think in our situation, it's easy to dismiss and forget the 2 and a half years before Tuchel came in of firstly Sarri looking to play a possession style and then Lampard looking to play a pressing style with energy. None of that was perfect and ultimately I don't think either was the long term solution if they'd been afforded more time, but there was at least a base there for Tuchel to work with.

I just don't see anything there at United. Like you said the last few years they have been moulded by pragmatic managers looking to play on the counter. It feels like they really are starting from scratch and these six months under Rangnick may be the very start of something but I think it's going to be long and at times, frustrating process for them.

[Fulham Broadway 16,923]

15 minutes ago, Jase said:

Think it's a combination of different things. They haven't had a dominant manager, someone who will hold these players accountable etc in ages. They haven't had a proper manager who is in tune with the modern game in ages. They also have a squad with some very average players. 

United was Ferguson. Now its merch, Glazers profits, and Chinese viewers. Still. fuck 'em

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8 hours ago, Jase said:

Think it's a combination of different things. They haven't had a dominant manager, someone who will hold these players accountable etc in ages. They haven't had a proper manager who is in tune with the modern game in ages. They also have a squad with some very average players. 

They also have 5 of the best paid players in the league - DDG, CR7, Varane, Pogba, Sancho. But somehow have never managed to build a team in years 

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