The Tuchel Thread

[Superblue 6,331]

5 minutes ago, Jase said:

Don't think they have the players to play a modern pressing game. This squad have been largely formed on the back of two managers who are pragmatic and like to play more on the counter. 

Yeah completely agree.

I think in our situation, it's easy to dismiss and forget the 2 and a half years before Tuchel came in of firstly Sarri looking to play a possession style and then Lampard looking to play a pressing style with energy. None of that was perfect and ultimately I don't think either was the long term solution if they'd been afforded more time, but there was at least a base there for Tuchel to work with.

I just don't see anything there at United. Like you said the last few years they have been moulded by pragmatic managers looking to play on the counter. It feels like they really are starting from scratch and these six months under Rangnick may be the very start of something but I think it's going to be long and at times, frustrating process for them.

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15 minutes ago, Jase said:

Think it's a combination of different things. They haven't had a dominant manager, someone who will hold these players accountable etc in ages. They haven't had a proper manager who is in tune with the modern game in ages. They also have a squad with some very average players. 

United was Ferguson. Now its merch, Glazers profits, and Chinese viewers. Still. fuck 'em

[Strike 6,958]

8 hours ago, Jase said:

Think it's a combination of different things. They haven't had a dominant manager, someone who will hold these players accountable etc in ages. They haven't had a proper manager who is in tune with the modern game in ages. They also have a squad with some very average players. 

They also have 5 of the best paid players in the league - DDG, CR7, Varane, Pogba, Sancho. But somehow have never managed to build a team in years 

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[manpe 10,855]

On 03/01/2022 at 11:03, Strike said:

https://theathletic.com/3046668/2022/01/03/romelu-lukakus-interview-the-fallout-the-meetings-with-tuchel-the-future/

Excerpt - 

As one source explained to The Athletic: “I was speaking to one of the players and asked him if anyone was sticking up for Lukaku. He said no. None of them can believe he’s done it.”

Noticeably Tuchel appears to have the backing of the squad for how he dealt with Lukaku. He decided to confer with five or six senior players before making a final decision to omit Lukaku from the Liverpool game. It is believed that Jorginho, Cesar Azpilicueta, N’Golo Kante and Antonio Rudiger were among those consulted.

Asked why he felt the need to discuss it with squad members, he replied: “I don’t take decisions in the office or around my thoughts. I take decisions for the team and I listen to them. I hear their opinion, what they think and then I make my decisions once I hear them out. It is their club, their team and it is not a personal thing from me to decide only on my thoughts.

“We have a squad who we protect, which is strong in belief and behaviours. We want a clearer understanding of the situation and take a decision on a bigger foundation.”

 

On 06/01/2022 at 00:03, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

 

Perfect, his rationality and calmness have been key in managing this. Imagine Mourinho or even Conte handling such a situation, it would have been a clusterfuck. Glad to have Super Tommy Tuchel.

Talking about Man United, it seems to me they want to be seen as a hipster club with all those unusual manager appointments. They haven't hired a single world-class manager since Ferguson. How on earth they thought Solskjaer would be it is beyond my comprehension... A guy with only experience managing in Norway and getting sacked by Cardiff within the same year after relegating them. Now they hired a football director from Russia to get them out of the slump. 🤦‍♂️ Long may it continue.

Edited January 9, 2022 by manpe

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5 hours ago, manpe said:

 

 

Perfect, his rationality and calmness have been key in managing this. Imagine Mourinho or even Conte handling such a situation, it would have been a clusterfuck. Glad to have Super Tommy Tuchel.

Talking about Man United, it seems to me they want to be seen as a hipster club with all those unusual manager appointments. They haven't hired a single world-class manager since Ferguson. How on earth they thought Solskjaer would be it is beyond my comprehension... A guy with only experience managing in Norway and getting sacked by Cardiff within the same year after relegating them. Now they hired a football director from Russia to get them out of the slump. 🤦‍♂️ Long may it continue.

Rangnick is a world class manager. Just ask Tommy. He won the DFB-Pokal and got to the CL semis with fkin Schalke. Most of the footy Klopp, Tuchel, flick and other german coaches now play is based on Rangnick's ideas. He just never choose to work for a big club before. He and ManUre is apparently an ill fit tho.

Manure are just poorly managed overall imo. The board has no clear vision of how they want to develop the club apart from the business side. Similar to our situation tbf but our board is still a tad smarter and we managed to pass that winning mentality on from the Mourinho side. ManUre lost it when Fergie left.

[Blue Armour 4,158]

1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

Rangnick is a world class manager. Just ask Tommy. He won the DFB-Pokal and got to the CL semis with fkin Schalke. Most of the footy Klopp, Tuchel, flick and other german coaches now play is based on Rangnick's ideas. He just never choose to work for a big club before. He and ManUre is apparently an ill fit tho.

Manure are just poorly managed overall imo. The board has no clear vision of how they want to develop the club apart from the business side. Similar to our situation tbf but our board is still a tad smarter and we managed to pass that winning mentality on from the Mourinho side. ManUre lost it when Fergie left.

It could change with Ragnick moving to the director role, no? Question is who they hire as manager to succeed him.

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11 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

It could change with Ragnick moving to the director role, no? Question is who they hire as manager to succeed him.

I don’t think they would do that if he failed as coach there. The fit would still not be better. Just as RR has never coached those big star players before he also has never decided on buying any. He specialises in builiding hungry, energetic  young teams. If Manure were to adhere to that mission, he could be great as director but I doubt the glazers will allow him the time even in that role. They want to generate marketing revenue with big name signings not built a footballing future. RR does have a 2 year consultancy contract in the bag tho. So he might retain some Influency in any case 

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3 cup competitions. 3 finals. 

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[Vesper 27,283]

37 minutes ago, milka said:

 

we already won the UEFA Super Cup, so get this League Cup, the World Club Championship, maybe the FA Cup, deep run in CL (would LOVE to win it) and finish 2nd in EPL and it will be a great season 

we still have a shot at winning 5 trophies (6 if we pull off a miracle and win the EPL), and hopefully (if we win the FA Cup and/or the EPL) can start to sort our horrifically embarrassing Charity Shield record

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This is just a crazy stat about Tuchel. 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,194]

In 24 hours we could potentially be only 3 points ahead of West Ham. If Arsenal will their two games in hand, we will be only 2 points ahead of them. Matter of fact, if Spurs somehow win their 4 games in hand, they will be ahead of us by 2 points. 

Lot of hypotheticals but if we end the season with another battle for Top 4, where do we assess Tuchel in all of this considering there has been zero improvement and another chunk of money invested?

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by MoroccanBlue

[NikkiCFC 7,566]

On a positive side I think he will drop 3 at the back completely from next game. 

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3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

On a positive side I think he will drop 3 at the back completely from next game. 

We still have a donkey leading the line. 

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36 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

In 24 hours we could potentially be only 3 points ahead of West Ham. If Arsenal will their two games in hand, we will be only 2 points ahead of them. Matter of fact, if Spurs somehow win their 4 games in hand, they will be ahead of us by 2 points. 

Lot of hypotheticals but if we end the season with another battle for Top 4, where do we assess Tuchel in all of this considering there has been zero improvement and another chunk of money invested?

 

Here we go again...and its hard cause like you say the table is all over the place. Can't look at our postion and say we're okay cause we've played more games then others. If we get drawn into another stupid top 4 battle after being top..urghhh