The Tuchel Thread

[Blue Armour 4,436]

No disrespect to Graham Potter.

His team play some beautiful football at times, punching above their weight to win against big teams, but some managers do well at mid level clubs and fail when making the step up.

It's not really about coaching ability, but it's about personality.

Managing a bunch of egotistical millionaires is a whole different scenario. 

There's also the incredible irony that we loaned Colwill, and sold Gilmour to Brighton to be managed by him. Gilmour must be feeling twice fucked by the club.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

People need to consider the greater scope when they claim the player's have downed tools. 

Imagine playing out of position in a system that doesn't get the best out of your ability, week in week out. Your confidence is shot. This game is far more mental than physical and its no surprise why the likes of Pep and Klopp have sustainable systems. Confidence is soring high with these players yearly. 

All well and good but not playing well and not trying are two different things. Totally different.

I didn’t see a team that wanted to fight to win last night, they basically rolled over and accepted that the game was done when the game got scrappy and that is something that has been labelled at this team before under Sarri, Frank and now Tuchel.

Zagreb didn’t win because they outplayed us completely as we did create chances in the second half, they won because they actually tried, they ran, they won tackles, made interceptions etc you know the basics that this team has been criticised for not doing too well periodically. 

It is clear players have downed tools for whatever reason. Completely clear. If you don’t believe me, go and watch Hakim Ziyech’s highlight reel back. The guys performance was absolutely piss poor and exactly what people claiming that certain players have downed tools are going on about. He couldn’t of cared less. Mason, Kai, Kova are a few others who again were anonymous and piss poor from every aspect of the game.

Would of seen more effort and fight if we put the u23s out v Dinamo last night.

Edited September 7, 2022 by OneMoSalah

[Pizy 18,852]

13 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

No disrespect to Graham Potter.

His team play some beautiful football at times, punching above their weight to win against big teams, but some managers do well at mid level clubs and fail when making the step up.

It's not really about coaching ability, but it's about personality.

Managing a bunch of egotistical millionaires is a whole different scenario. 

There's also the incredible irony that we loaned Colwill, and sold Gilmour to Brighton to be managed by him. Gilmour must be feeling twice fucked by the club.

This is what gives me pause. If these players buy in and give their all to Potter he can transform us. We have the talent in our squad. But if some of these big name, big reputation players think they’re “above” him, this could blow up and crash down in flames.

If he can get a couple of early positive results it could go a long way. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

This is what gives me pause. If these players buy in and give their all to Potter he can transform us. We have the talent in our squad. But if some of these big name, big reputation players think they’re “above” him, this could blow up and crash down in flames.

If he can get a couple of early positive results it could go a long way. 

Let's me honest we have had a wagon full of mangers with "experience" with big name players and it's ended exactly the same way for every single one. Let's try something different with a great coach experienced coach.

[Henrique 9,133]

WTF! 

First time I'm against sacking a manager after poor results, then he is sacked. 💀

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

4 minutes ago, Kong said:

Let's me honest we have had a wagon full of mangers with "experience" with big name players and it's ended exactly the same way for every single one. Let's try something different with a great coach experienced coach.

Exactly.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

This talk about the players might not respond to Potter, if you watched the game yesterday, they were just standing around so they surely were not responding to Tuchel. I don't see Poch being any better. 

It is also quite silly to say that Boehly knows nothing about football. It probably means people that say it know nothing about his past and his level of interest in the game.  He is fan level for sure, but you would need to be blind not to see the woeful football that was being played at the end of last season and this season. Nicking a goal to win games when the entire focus is defense is terrible. Add to that our defense has been terrible. 

[Duppy Conqueror 1,526]

Wonder how Gilmour feels,especially if Tuchel ends up at Brighton ..🤨 (my money is on Leipzig) .Auba probably wishes he wasnt so shot shy yesterday or chose to use his justified sick note.

[bluephoenix 1,131]

And the sacking saga continues...

Get effing players after preseason is over and before transfer day deadline and expect the team to just gel.

We are cursed. 

[Gundalf 805]

1 minute ago, Duppy Conqueror said:

Wonder how Gilmour feels,especially if Tuchel ends up at Brighton ..🤨 (my money is on Leipzig) .Auba probably wishes he wasnt so shot shy yesterday or chose to use his justified sick note.

Leipzig will announce Marco Rose soon.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

5 minutes ago, Pizy said:

This is what gives me pause. If these players buy in and give their all to Potter he can transform us. We have the talent in our squad. But if some of these big name, big reputation players think they’re “above” him, this could blow up and crash down in flames.

If he can get a couple of early positive results it could go a long way. 

If the players buy in and give their all. That shouldn’t ever be an if but thats the problem here.

We have guys in the squad who have CL winners medals, for some of them perhaps undeservedly based on their careers here and what they’ve done in the game and what they will have achieved when their careers finish, who will inevitably sour on another manager if they don’t play or get tough with them or sulk because they don’t want to be here. 

So I’ll put my neck out and say it, Graham Potter when he’s appointed will last a maximum of 12-18 months, get sacked when we hit a bad run or when the owner wakes up on the wrong side of the bed/has another bright idea and it will be the same again. 

If Boehly didn’t want to keep Tuchel he should of just said to him at the end of the season, told him he wanted his own man, brought in a manager who fit his new direction and given them a full pre season and the signings they wanted. Then they’ve got a clean slate, a man they wanted In place and they can build their infrastructure up and around them as well as giving the new guy some time to actually put things in place.

In terms of his first big big decision as new owner, the signs do not look good and thats without mentioning he’s cleared out a whole footballing infrastructure, hasn’t replaced it and now has sacked a manager he didn’t want to keep because he was too arrogant or stupid or whatever to get rid of him in the first place, who he had initially said he wanted to give him more job security and responsibility in terms of recruitment etc as well as input on how the clubs infrastructure should be.

Confusing, isnt it? 

[Duppy Conqueror 1,526]

Rob Dorsett Senior SSN reporter said Graham Potter hasn’t spoken to Marina or Petr..why would he speak to them? SSN needs somebody more in the loop

Edited September 7, 2022 by Duppy Conqueror

[Duppy Conqueror 1,526]

I don’t buy that TB didnt want TT.why back him so much in the transfer window. It’s obviously whats gone on since the Spurs game,that’s caused it.

sad day at the bridge.thanks for the good times Tommy and keeping us together during unprecidated times.

[laura90 556]

Tbh I don't understand why they sacked Marina when they signed the same players she would have signed. Second rate or even third rate options.

She was too attached to our deadwood?

I saw some claiming we are not weaker team. Yes we are. From the CL team,  we lost Rudiger, we lost Andreas, Silva is two years older and Mendy lost confidence  consequently.  Mendy thrived   with our solid defense. It got the best of him. As soon it was clear Rudiger departs, in January, his form dropped and never recovered. Mendy has his flows, but he would still perform better with more solid defense.

Our midfielders are two years older, and bar Jorginho, spend more time on treatment table than in the training.. Or midfielders, Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho are the shadow of the players they were during CL campaign. They needed to be replaced right afterwards, because they weren't perfect not ticked all the boxes. New midfielders, Connor and Zakaria are not on the required level either.

We only marginally improved our attack but what is it worth with even weaker midfield and defense?

Two years ago we had top four team. Today we have midtable team. 

250 mil spent on, bar Cucu and Fofana, has beens and deadwood. 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by laura90

[milka 3,390]

Graham Potter will bring his recruitment guru with him if he joins Chelsea.

 

Recruitment specialist Kyle Macauley helped indentify Marc Cucurella and Moises Caicedo, Potter’s two assistants would also follow him to Chelsea. (

@Matt_Law_DT