The Tuchel Thread

[Vegetable 830]

Just now, Kong said:

Just because we don't know about them doesn't make it any better. 

True, but club really failed at media comms during the window. We shouldn't publicly make desperate clowns of ourselves, with ridiculous pursuit of freaking LEEDS Raphinia who doesn't want to come here. Serious clubs don't allow this kind of stuff. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

1 minute ago, Hermione said:

Every player can have his head turned when money comes in, De Ligt was no different and Juventus even said they would sell to the highest bidders, we just had to outbid Bayern but this guy had other plans.

Raphinha had no intentions to change his mind money wasn't the issue and De Ligt was no different, managers job to convince a player to come not the owner.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

True, but club really failed at media comms during the window. We shouldn't publicly make desperate clowns of ourselves, with ridiculous pursuit of freaking LEEDS Raphinia who doesn't want to come here. Serious clubs don't allow this kind of stuff. 

We bid for raphinha Leeds accepted, was raphinha who turned us down. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes just because some 1 posts some thing on Twitter does not make it so.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

1 minute ago, Hermione said:

Fofana is the replacement for Christensen not De Ligt, let's not kid ourselves everyone wanted De Ligt not only for his skill set but also for his leadership and organizing the back line, this Koulibaly looks clueless at 31 years old. Compare him to Thiago when he came, like night and day.

kK looks no worse than when Rudi come tbh him and Zak are the only signings who haven't got experience in this league.

[Vegetable 830]

1 minute ago, Kong said:

We bid for raphinha Leeds accepted, was raphinha who turned us down. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes just because some 1 posts some thing on Twitter does not make it so.

He said, a few times, he got offer from us and it's cool, but he prefers Barca. So he basically told us to suck it and we should respect it, instead of making further offers, that leak to media every day - club should either publicly deny wanting to buy him or just make sure stuff is quiet, instead of being played by Barca and his agent.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

He said, a few times, he got offer from us and it's cool, but he prefers Barca. So he basically told us to suck it and we should respect it, instead of making further offers, that leak to media every day - club should either publicly deny wanting to buy him or just make sure stuff is quiet, instead of being played by Barca and his agent.

Your right now tell that to others because I ain't the one moaning about us not making further offers, making further offers shows intent and proves you can't just throw money at every player.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

1 minute ago, Hermione said:

Are you seriously comparing Koulibaly who is 31 to a 24 years old Rudiger who had a ligament ruptury not long before we got him? He is what he is at 31 years old, unlike Rudiger he ain't improving at this age

Age is irrelevant he doesn't need to improve as a player it's a known fact KK is a brilliant defender, he clearly needs time to adjust to defending in this league.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

24 minutes ago, DDA said:

De Ligt was not pure clickbait. He wasxTTs primary target.. that has been confirmed by multiple crdible sources  including Fabrizio who just said that exact fact in his report on the sacking.

If that's true tells the story even more that Todd was never sold on TT.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

2 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Are you seriously comparing Koulibaly who is 31 to a 24 years old Rudiger who had a ligament ruptury not long before we got him? He is what he is at 31 years old, unlike Rudiger he ain't improving at this age

I don't think KK needs improvement. He needs to learn, as well as the rest of our back line, how to play together. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[Blue Armour 4,436]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

From the Guardian article

There were instances of the ownership attempting to foist players on him. Example was the case of Anthony Gordon who Tuchel did not want. Boehly’s data analysts had pushed for the Everton midfielder after being impressed by some of his performance metrics. Tuchel came to feel he had too many players to accommodate and not enough he could count on.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/07/Chelsea-sack-thomas-tuchel-as-manager-after-defeat-at-zagreb-champions-league

 

Based on the sound bytes...we're in for a rough ride. The new ownership seems to be so imposing on the manager. Just days after talking charge and already burning bridges.

Who would want to coach a team like this. 

For all the talk about supporting Tuchel, they seem to be hypocrites. 

No wonder the team chemistry has been poor. It starts from the top.

[LegenTerry 273]

Some of the guys here play too much of Football or FIFA manager and think that running a club is like owning a caffe bar or restaurant where you can have everything and immediately if you have resources. 

Not every single thing you read from twitter or news reports during summer (where people are actually earning money based on your clicks, specially in "silly season" how it's called in UK I think) is actually true. 
Even when reliable journalist report something, doesn't automatically means it is true. A lot of background stuff and games can be played between the agents, clubs, managers and owners behind the curtains and they can leak what they want - to who ever they choose/trust.

That being said, I think it is nonsense to discuss now who was main target of Boehly and who was for Tuchel. Completely irrelevant. 

Fact is that since the start of the season we played like utter shit, most of the players body language was worse than in Lampard time and we lost champions league game from 4th tier opponents who are having turbulent times and who are worth 10X times less than us. 

Worst thing is that, what TT detected after the game also, - "every time is the same thing" - and there was zero indication that our game is going to change anytime soon. Even our wins this season were lucky and without any idea how to attack and play. He looked without idea, fighting with refs during all of our games and sarcastically talked with assistants every time we would concede stupid goal.



 

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

2 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Yeah someone who knows nothing about football was never sold on Tuchel, crazy if actually true.

TT is his own problem 250+ million spend and 6 games into the league we look mid table at best. The way the team players and performs the book stops at the manager always has done. I liked TT but he made it very hard for himself.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

4 minutes ago, Hermione said:

The key words are "never sold" if this is true Todd isn't sacking him based on turgid football and results lately but because he never liked him.

The "If why and how" is irrelevant now it's done and I got one ain't wasting my time crying over spilt milk, if I'd of given a manger 250+ million of players and watched them 6 games I'd of sacked him n all, easy for us to sit here and judge.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Kong

[Blue Armour 4,436]

53 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

David Ornstein saying that Boehly was doubtful about Tuchel from the start, but left him in place because of a certain stability during transition period. 

This to me is a problem. 

And it's probably what the players sensed too, making them down tools so easily 

What all of us wanted from the end of last season was some continuity and stability with the new ownership.

In the span of months he has tossed out a lot of the admin and now, the manager which was the only piece of identity remaining from the old regime. 

And he has allowed the club to bring in more B grade signings.

Amateurish. Just like his decision to give KK a 4 year deal.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Blue Armour