The Tuchel Thread

[Bren 41]

5 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Really hope Potter can at the very least get us looking like a competent side in the final third within a couple of weeks. Surely it’ll take a while to get us looking 100% transformed, but we VERY QUICKLY need to look like we’ve got a clue and some patterns to our attacking play.

I'm hopeful. It's early days at United but Ten Hag has shown what a coach can do in a couple of weeks (they were beyond abysmal).

[Blues Forever 1,232]

3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Something to consider with Potter. His first two seasons at Brighton they finished 15th, then 16th and had real struggles with scoring goals despite the plaudits for the way they tried to play football.

It's easy to look at their top half finish last season and the start of this season and ignore the work and the struggles that he had in the first two years at Brighton. 

Are people willing to give him that time here? Both board and fans.

No chance.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,948]

4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Something to consider with Potter. His first two seasons at Brighton they finished 15th, then 16th and had real struggles with scoring goals despite the plaudits for the way they tried to play football.

It's easy to look at their top half finish last season and the start of this season and ignore the work and the struggles that he had in the first two years at Brighton. 

Are people willing to give him that time here? Both board and fans.

Those years did he have top players to compete? I think when a manager comes in with a clear plan, the level of players that we have will respond quickly. the new manager bounce is all well and good, but you have to have the players to make it happen.

[different level 1,056]

I'm extremely disappointed, not going to lie. For the first time in a long time I thought we had a world class manager who is here for the long run and who we're going to back and give him time when things are not great. Now I feel like a dumbass and I'm not excited at all for the rest of the season especially when I see we're after someone as mediocre as Potter.

I genuinely see this as the most unfair and premature sacking since Carlo in 2011.

Edited September 7, 2022 by different level

[Pizy 19,276]

Wonder where Tuchel lands btw. Fortunately for us there aren’t going to be any openings at the top PL clubs any time soon so this sacking won’t haunt us directly within our league. 

Real Madrid to succeed Ancelotti when he probably retires after this season?

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Those years did he have top players to compete? I think when a manager comes in with a clear plan, the level of players that we have will respond quickly. the new manager bounce is all well and good, but you have to have the players to make it happen.

I think the comparison would be that despite maybe impacting the style of play, in terms of raw numbers and results, his impact for the first two years was negligible in comparison to Brighton under Chris Hughton, i.e. just about being good enough to stay up.

He may improve our football in a short time but that doesn't necessarily guarantee improving our results. 

Would people accept potentially taking a step back to take 2 or 3 steps forward, and by that I mean a season outside the top 4 if we see an improvement on the style of play and are playing more exciting football?

[LAM09 7,087]

10 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

No chance.

If the team starts playing attacking football, that provides us with an opportunity to grow & CL football, he'll be given a chance. The issue is undoing the damage from previous windows that continues to affect every manager that walks through these doors.

Edited September 7, 2022 by LAM09

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

Anyone else feel this was a mutual agreement? The sacking makes no sense which gives me the impression during their meeting Tuchel stated he can't do any more with the team?

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Wonder where Tuchel lands btw. Fortunately for us there aren’t going to be any openings at the top PL clubs any time soon so this sacking won’t haunt us directly within our league. 

Real Madrid to succeed Ancelotti when he probably retires after this season?

The talk was that, for him, Chelsea represented a last chance at a big club in terms of its suitability for him. If it didn't work out, he'd be content heading back to managing a team in the Bundesliga operating under the radar somewhat.

Not sure if that stance has changed now since his tenure at Chelsea. His stock must be higher purely off the back of the Champions League win, but maybe in his mind he feels more suited to a team slightly below elite level.

Say a Leipzig, Leverkusen type team (Leipzig has just sacked their manager so this might be one to keep an eye on).

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Anyone else feel this was a mutual agreement? The sacking makes no sense which gives me the impression during their meeting Tuchel stated he can't do any more with the team?

I get the feeling Tuchel isn't too concerned with leaving. He hasn't seemed the same since the change in ownership, with the exception of that Spurs game.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

8 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

If the team starts playing attacking football, that provides us with an opportunity to grow & CL football, he'll be given a chance. The issue is undoing the damage from previous windows that continues to affect every manager that walks through these doors.

I give him max 2 years before another circus continue to happen.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[milka 3,407]

 

[Vegetable 830]

Players don't want to come here due to constant rotations and we are working hard for no manager to be willing to come here until desperate. Potter not Potter, gone before 2024. 

[LAM09 7,087]

6 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

I give him max 2 years before another circus continue to happen.

I certainly hope not, as this isn't sustainable. We need to go in a new direction & have a long-term plan in place.

[milka 3,407]

Brighton is what Chelsea should be - sensible policy, development plan, attacking football and the results are visible with them.

[Gundalf 806]

😥💔

[Seymop 90]

Like many I can’t believe that we have chosen now to get shot of Tuchel. I certainly don’t like the way we have been playing but he deserved longer to sort things out. Why spend the money on Auba , who only Tuchel wanted, if a week later you sack him. Our record in transfers is abysmal — We got rid of Salah,De Bruyne,Tammy,Timori to name but 4 who have all had great success elsewhere, we spent a fortune on Lukaku but we keep Ziyech, Puli,Jorginho who should all have played their last game for us !! Even Mason needs to look himself in the mirror or he could go the same way as Ross Barkley. I suppose Potter might be worth a punt but I think the whole thing is becoming a sad joke

[lucio 5,418]

7 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

😥💔

He actually cared about the club. Imagine thinking tin pot potter will win anything. He’s no better than pardew or any other mediocre English coach who overachieved for a season

[DDA 10,225]

Genuinely gutted and like many others a little shocked the trigger has been pulled this early into the season BUT let's not act asif it's a complete surprise and TT is without blame. 

He was making incredibly nieve team selections and the will to make the back 3 work was ultimately what lost the backing of his attacking options.

I sure as Hell hope Potter is the right man for the job.... we knew Bohely might want to start his new regime with a new manager, so this sacking for me, is a pass but the next manager better get his fair shot at building something for the long term.