The Tuchel Thread

[blahblahblah 73]

  On 22/08/2022 at 07:46, Strike said:

Lot of knee-jerk posts today - this one is comparing the team to Everton 😃. I can understand Tuchel should be scrutinised but he is still an extremely good coach and his record here till now is kinda impressive with a squad that he basically inherited and barely changed. 

Transfer targets list this summer  - De Ligt, Ake, Gvardiol, Kimpembe, Fofana, Raphinha, FdJ, Koulibaly, Sterling, Jesus, Zinchenko, Cucurella, Gordon, Lewandowski, Aubameyang (15 m price)  What exactly is mid-table about this? Mid-table level targets are signing for Barca, Bayern and thriving (early signs) at Arsenal? Gvardiol and Cucurella were wanted by Pep and City. The club also didn't want to overpay for Ake and Auba - I would say this is a pretty good list - Could you tell me who you would be targeting if these are mid-table targets? 

 

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What? What is impressive in his numbers at the club. 

In 60pl games, he has 33 wins, FL had 28 in 58. And he inherited a very talented squad. A squad which was supposed to be the envy of everyone. A bunch of club trained very highly rated youth players + 250m worth of talent in ziyech, Werner, Kai, chilly etc.

And he has "barely" been able to change that. Seriously? 😂😂 250m worth of spend on top of the already talented squad that he inherited. 

Raphinha, ake, gordon, 33 year old auba are the definition of mid table. None of them are better than the players who they supposedly had to replace. Hell, buying KK to replace Rudi was another downgrade. 

This window was all about massaging TT's massive inflated ego. He basically just said, that it's not me, it's Lukaku, Werner, Puli, cho and ziyech who were the problem. I wont use any of them, buy me a new attack while i keep my tactics the same. Nothing more, nothing less than that. He should be sacked by the winter break, i just hope we are lining up replacement rather than wasting anymore money on the Gordons, aubas of the world.

[Strike 7,317]

  On 22/08/2022 at 08:24, blahblahblah said:

What? What is impressive in his numbers at the club. 

In 60pl games, he has 33 wins, FL had 28 in 58. And he inherited a very talented squad. A squad which was supposed to be the envy of everyone. A bunch of club trained very highly rated youth players + 250m worth of talent in ziyech, Werner, Kai, chilly etc.

And he has "barely" been able to change that. Seriously? 😂😂 250m worth of spend on top of the already talented squad that he inherited. 

Raphinha, ake, gordon, 33 year old auba are the definition of mid table. None of them are better than the players who they supposedly had to replace. Hell, buying KK to replace Rudi was another downgrade. 

This window was all about massaging TT's massive inflated ego. He basically just said, that it's not me, it's Lukaku, Werner, Puli, cho and ziyech who were the problem. I wont use any of them, buy me a new attack while i keep my tactics the same. Nothing more, nothing less than that. He should be sacked by the winter break, i just hope we are lining up replacement rather than wasting anymore money on the Gordons, aubas of the world.

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The same tactic won the CL by barely breaking a sweat at any point in the competition. People forget how hard it is do this. He inherited a squad that's not suited to a pressing game - and quickly worked out a way to make it effective. The incomings last summer were Lukaku and Saul - two of the worst signings. Some blame on Tuchel here but we know he wanted Hakimi and the board had a big say in those transfers. 

Still don't see you suggesting better players that the club should have targeted. There were some quality players targeted by the club this summer - The ones you consider the definition of mid-table have not been signed either. Who should the club be targeting you think?

 

[blahblahblah 73]

  On 22/08/2022 at 08:51, Strike said:

The same tactic won the CL by barely breaking a sweat at any point in the competition. People forget how hard it is do this. He inherited a squad that's not suited to a pressing game - and quickly worked out a way to make it effective. The incomings last summer were Lukaku and Saul - two of the worst signings. Some blame on Tuchel here but we know he wanted Hakimi and the board had a big say in those transfers. 

Still don't see you suggesting better players that the club should have targeted. There were some quality players targeted by the club this summer - The ones you consider the definition of mid-table have not been signed either. Who should the club be targeting you think?

 

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Yes, he has been living off off that CL win. That's infact the only thing that we have done worthwhile. It's papered over the cracks, very evident and hopeless cracks. 

He has a league performance which is akin to Lampard who went a season without a single transfer. Who integrated youth and got a position which TT crawled to last year despite having his say over who to buy in the market. 

If Lukaku and Saul were our only buys, it was on TT. We needed a DM more than a striker. And let's not give TT a pass on lukaku. It was floated long time before we got RL, that he was in TT's top3 list of strikers. 

As for targets, why am I liable to give you a list. Did i claim to be a scout? @Vespercan give you that list of players most of whom seem much better than who we are targetting.  

[Strike 7,317]

  On 22/08/2022 at 08:57, blahblahblah said:

Yes, he has been living off off that CL win. That's infact the only thing that we have done worthwhile. It's papered over the cracks, very evident and hopeless cracks. 

He has a league performance which is akin to Lampard who went a season without a single transfer. Who integrated youth and got a position which TT crawled to last year despite having his say over who to buy in the market. 

If Lukaku and Saul were our only buys, it was on TT. We needed a DM more than a striker. And let's not give TT a pass on lukaku. It was floated long time before we got RL, that he was in TT's top3 list of strikers. 

As for targets, why am I liable to give you a list. Did i claim to be a scout? @Vespercan give you that list of players most of whom seem much better than who we are targetting.  

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Very convenient to say the targets are mid-table by picking 3-4 who weren't even signed. Everybody is a genius in hindsight

 

[blahblahblah 73]

  On 22/08/2022 at 09:00, Strike said:

Very convenient to say the targets are mid-table by picking 3-4 who weren't even signed. Everybody is a genius in hindsight

 

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If we want to talk about "convenient", let's talk about TT. 

How conveniently has he put the blame on our attackers. From last season, Lukaku and Werner have gone. Cho and ziyech are no where to be seen while Puli is used sparingly.

Exactly this time last year, our strength in numbers in attack was being touted as our biggest strengths and we were said to be on par with Liverpool and city. 1 year later, 5 out of 7 of our attackers are considered as "expendable" by the manager who now wants new shiny toys to play with. Meanwhile no changes in the system, tactics are observed, no changes in attacking methodology. That's the definition of "convenient". Putting the blame on the players while conveniently ignoring the glaring shortcomings in the tactics. 

And wait a minute. I am not "conveniently" choosing targets. I am choosing targets who are MOST likely to join us or be added by the end of window. De ligt, gvaridol, etc etc are not going to join us, i hope you know that. We are down to auba, gordon, fofana/Maguire as our additions. I know exactly where 3 out of  those 4 belong - mid table.

[blahblahblah 73]

Thought long and hard last night. And could not find a reason why TT should be given time to continue. He has failed to integrate some very very talented youth in tomori, guehi, livramento, tammy. Some of them already had a step in, and we sold them. Infact, we have gone from Tammy to a 33 year old Auba. Yes, the long and short of the whole striker fiasco is that we have given up a very solid no. 9 and got a has been. He clearly has no attacking nuance. His play is shit and boring. His man-management is piss poor as we can see with how lukaku, werner have left. CHO, puli, ziyech want to leave. Whats even more shocking is the amount of rejections we have got. He has no pull as a manager. The number of players who almost shunned the club was embarassing.

All of this aside, I actually wanted to see if he was doing a decent job atleast in terms of winning. I have collated the numbers for PL games for all managers under RA, and its actually baffling

TT: P60, W33, D17, L10, PPM 1.93, W 55%

FL: P58, W28, D11, L18, PPM 1.67, W% 48.3%

Sarri: P38, W21, D9, L8, PPM 1.89, W% 55.2%

Conte: P76, W51, D10, L15, PPM 2.14, W% 67.1%

Benitez: P26, W15, D6, L5, PPM 1.96, W% 57.7%

JM: P211, W140, D44, L27, PPM 2.2, W% 66.3%

AVB: P27, W13, D7, L7, PPM 1.7, W% 48.14%

RDM: P23, W12, D6, L5, PPM 1.83, W% 52.17%

Ancelotti: P76, W48, D13, L15, PPM 2.07, W% 63.1%

Hiddink: P34, W18, D12, L4, PPM 1.94, W% 52.9%

Avram Grant: P33, W22, D8, L3, PPM 2.24, W% 66.6%

Luiz Felipe Scolari: P25, W14, D7, L4, PPM 1.96, W% 56%

Ranieri: P38, W24, D7, L7, PPM 2.08, W% 63.15%

So out of 13 distinct managers under RA, TT is ranked 9th by W% and Point per Match (PPM). And people expect me to get behind him? For what?

RDM won us a CL too, and has a comparitive W% and PPM, but we did not keep shitting our bed with him here. Need to get rid asap. The credit for the CL win has run its course, high time we look at the reality of the situation.

[Fernando 6,537]

  On 22/08/2022 at 16:14, blahblahblah said:

Thought long and hard last night. And could not find a reason why TT should be given time to continue. He has failed to integrate some very very talented youth in tomori, guehi, livramento, tammy. Some of them already had a step in, and we sold them. Infact, we have gone from Tammy to a 33 year old Auba. Yes, the long and short of the whole striker fiasco is that we have given up a very solid no. 9 and got a has been. He clearly has no attacking nuance. His play is shit and boring. His man-management is piss poor as we can see with how lukaku, werner have left. CHO, puli, ziyech want to leave. Whats even more shocking is the amount of rejections we have got. He has no pull as a manager. The number of players who almost shunned the club was embarassing.

All of this aside, I actually wanted to see if he was doing a decent job atleast in terms of winning. I have collated the numbers for PL games for all managers under RA, and its actually baffling

TT: P60, W33, D17, L10, PPM 1.93, W 55%

FL: P58, W28, D11, L18, PPM 1.67, W% 48.3%

Sarri: P38, W21, D9, L8, PPM 1.89, W% 55.2%

Conte: P76, W51, D10, L15, PPM 2.14, W% 67.1%

Benitez: P26, W15, D6, L5, PPM 1.96, W% 57.7%

JM: P211, W140, D44, L27, PPM 2.2, W% 66.3%

AVB: P27, W13, D7, L7, PPM 1.7, W% 48.14%

RDM: P23, W12, D6, L5, PPM 1.83, W% 52.17%

Ancelotti: P76, W48, D13, L15, PPM 2.07, W% 63.1%

Hiddink: P34, W18, D12, L4, PPM 1.94, W% 52.9%

Avram Grant: P33, W22, D8, L3, PPM 2.24, W% 66.6%

Luiz Felipe Scolari: P25, W14, D7, L4, PPM 1.96, W% 56%

Ranieri: P38, W24, D7, L7, PPM 2.08, W% 63.15%

So out of 13 distinct managers under RA, TT is ranked 9th by W% and Point per Match (PPM). And people expect me to get behind him? For what?

RDM won us a CL too, and has a comparitive W% and PPM, but we did not keep shitting our bed with him here. Need to get rid asap. The credit for the CL win has run its course, high time we look at the reality of the situation.

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Livramento and Tomori?

After reading that and seeing you have no clue about this, then it's clear you have a bias agenda. 

[blahblahblah 73]

  On 22/08/2022 at 16:27, Fernando said:

Livramento and Tomori?

After reading that and seeing you have no clue about this, then it's clear you have a bias agenda. 

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Huh?

Have you watched livramento play? How is that bias. Anyone who has watched him play for soton would easily back me up to say that we would go amiss buying him back for 40m.

Also, most of my post was actual numbers which show TT has been below average among the list of Chelsea managers. So sorry, just because you want to live in some weird fantasy land, does not make others biased. I am biased for the best of Chelsea, you need to choose your

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[Fernando 6,537]

  On 22/08/2022 at 16:30, blahblahblah said:

Huh?

Have you watched livramento play? How is that bias. Anyone who has watched him play for soton would easily back me up to say that we would go amiss buying him back for 40m.

Also, most of my post was actual numbers which show TT has been below average among the list of Chelsea managers. So sorry, just because you want to live in some weird fantasy land, does not make others biased. I am biased for the best of Chelsea, you need to choose your

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Because you said: He has failed to integrate some very very talented youth

How is TT fault about Livramento and Tomori? 

[blahblahblah 73]

  On 22/08/2022 at 16:56, Fernando said:

Because you said: He has failed to integrate some very very talented youth

How is TT fault about Livramento and Tomori? 

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I dont get your premise?

You do realize that both were sold last summer UNDER TT when TT was already Chelsea's manager for 6 months. Tomori is way better of a player than sarr or chalobah, both who made the team. Hell, i would say tomori is as good as AC and he is showing it in milan.

As for livramento, another one who should not have been sold. Either TT did not do his homework of watching the Kid or just did not trust our youth coaches and managers who should have been raving about the kid. Anyone who has followed Livramento, would know that the kid is special. He should have been with the squad last year with assurances from TT about a place in the first team given that RJ could easily slot into the Azpi RCB role and livramento into the RWB role.

So again, dont understand how am i biased in saying that TT failed to either integrate some very talented youth players.

[OneMoSalah 8,841]

  On 22/08/2022 at 16:30, blahblahblah said:

Huh?

Have you watched livramento play? How is that bias. Anyone who has watched him play for soton would easily back me up to say that we would go amiss buying him back for 40m.

Also, most of my post was actual numbers which show TT has been below average among the list of Chelsea managers. So sorry, just because you want to live in some weird fantasy land, does not make others biased. I am biased for the best of Chelsea, you need to choose your

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I am sure Tino rejected a new deal and Lampard sealed Tomori’s fate loaning him out with buy option.

[Blue Armour 4,376]

  On 22/08/2022 at 16:14, blahblahblah said:

Thought long and hard last night. And could not find a reason why TT should be given time to continue. He has failed to integrate some very very talented youth in tomori, guehi, livramento, tammy. Some of them already had a step in, and we sold them. Infact, we have gone from Tammy to a 33 year old Auba. Yes, the long and short of the whole striker fiasco is that we have given up a very solid no. 9 and got a has been. He clearly has no attacking nuance. His play is shit and boring. His man-management is piss poor as we can see with how lukaku, werner have left. CHO, puli, ziyech want to leave. Whats even more shocking is the amount of rejections we have got. He has no pull as a manager. The number of players who almost shunned the club was embarassing.

All of this aside, I actually wanted to see if he was doing a decent job atleast in terms of winning. I have collated the numbers for PL games for all managers under RA, and its actually baffling

TT: P60, W33, D17, L10, PPM 1.93, W 55%

FL: P58, W28, D11, L18, PPM 1.67, W% 48.3%

Sarri: P38, W21, D9, L8, PPM 1.89, W% 55.2%

Conte: P76, W51, D10, L15, PPM 2.14, W% 67.1%

Benitez: P26, W15, D6, L5, PPM 1.96, W% 57.7%

JM: P211, W140, D44, L27, PPM 2.2, W% 66.3%

AVB: P27, W13, D7, L7, PPM 1.7, W% 48.14%

RDM: P23, W12, D6, L5, PPM 1.83, W% 52.17%

Ancelotti: P76, W48, D13, L15, PPM 2.07, W% 63.1%

Hiddink: P34, W18, D12, L4, PPM 1.94, W% 52.9%

Avram Grant: P33, W22, D8, L3, PPM 2.24, W% 66.6%

Luiz Felipe Scolari: P25, W14, D7, L4, PPM 1.96, W% 56%

Ranieri: P38, W24, D7, L7, PPM 2.08, W% 63.15%

So out of 13 distinct managers under RA, TT is ranked 9th by W% and Point per Match (PPM). And people expect me to get behind him? For what?

RDM won us a CL too, and has a comparitive W% and PPM, but we did not keep shitting our bed with him here. Need to get rid asap. The credit for the CL win has run its course, high time we look at the reality of the situation.

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Chelsea as a squad have declined since the Drogba and Hazard eras. We don't have world class attacking players of that ilk.

The last time we won the league, JT was still in the squad.

Our decline in PL win % is not entirely on Tuchel. The only good yardstick for comparison is Lampard 

[blahblahblah 73]

  On 23/08/2022 at 03:20, Blue Armour said:

Chelsea as a squad have declined since the Drogba and Hazard eras. We don't have world class attacking players of that ilk.

The last time we won the league, JT was still in the squad.

Our decline in PL win % is not entirely on Tuchel. The only good yardstick for comparison is Lampard 

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I disagree mate.  Go back exactly an year and just look at the hype we had. Most of us were expecting to either win the PL or be there-thereabouts. If i told you this time last year, that within a year this Chelsea squad won't even be odds on to make the top4 next year, you would have called me an absolute hater. 

The squad we had last year was good enough to win and atleast challenge for PL. The only squad i would say was poor was under lamps and maybe sarri (aging). 

We have spent 450m in the last 3 summer and that is rumored to go upto 550 or 600m. The talent that we have acquired was the absolute envy of our competitors. We have severely severely under acheived. TT has failed to get the best out of or even integrate any of the new big name signings. Any other manager would have been called out for failing to improve Kai, Werner, Lukaku, ziyech but TT for some reason keeps getting a pass. And these are some big names. Werner was wanted by Liverpool, Kai was wanted by the world, ziyech was considered a magician, Lukaku for all his deficiency is one of the best goal scorers of this era. You can't say that we did not have quality or the squad was not good enough. 

I look at our very rapid decline to mediocrity within a year as failure from manager and management. Not the quality of squad

[Blue Armour 4,376]

  On 23/08/2022 at 04:39, blahblahblah said:

I disagree mate.  Go back exactly an year and just look at the hype we had. Most of us were expecting to either win the PL or be there-thereabouts. If i told you this time last year, that within a year this Chelsea squad won't even be odds on to make the top4 next year, you would have called me an absolute hater. 

The squad we had last year was good enough to win and atleast challenge for PL. The only squad i would say was poor was under lamps and maybe sarri (aging). 

We have spent 450m in the last 3 summer and that is rumored to go upto 550 or 600m. The talent that we have acquired was the absolute envy of our competitors. We have severely severely under acheived. TT has failed to get the best out of or even integrate any of the new big name signings. Any other manager would have been called out for failing to improve Kai, Werner, Lukaku, ziyech but TT for some reason keeps getting a pass. And these are some big names. Werner was wanted by Liverpool, Kai was wanted by the world, ziyech was considered a magician, Lukaku for all his deficiency is one of the best goal scorers of this era. You can't say that we did not have quality or the squad was not good enough. 

I look at our very rapid decline to mediocrity within a year as failure from manager and management. Not the quality of squad

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But there were reasons for us to become a different team this year, right?

The cornerstone of the CL winning side was the tight and efficient defence. Rudiger and Christensen were huge departures which were not Tuchels fault, but rather poor handling of contracts.

The team was plunged into chaos with the sanctions shortly after we won the CWC this year.

I don't have to remind you of the horrible questions Tuchel had to face from the press shortly after the sanctions. No manager would want to go through that. To top it off., he's also went through an expensive divorce around the same time.

I know that's all in the past, but considering all that the club and Tuchel have been through recently, they deserve some slack. Heck, I didn't even complain about Nike, who despite making odd kit designs this year, have at least stuck with us through the sanctions 

But at the same time, I do not like the club shooting itself in the foot. That's why I share some of the same concerns you have over certain signings. Like the Aubemayang one. That's a Tuchel driven decision for sure, and I have strong apprehensions about it. This maybe wouldn't happen with a proper DOF in place. If that move fails, it's all on him.

I'm also apprehensive about Tuchels growing negativity. The Tottenham match seemed to bring it to a boil. Chelsea managers and negativity never do well.

I just hope he can turn it around in the next couple of games.

[blahblahblah 73]

  On 23/08/2022 at 05:47, Blue Armour said:

But there were reasons for us to become a different team this year, right?

The cornerstone of the CL winning side was the tight and efficient defence. Rudiger and Christensen were huge departures which were not Tuchels fault, but rather poor handling of contracts.

The team was plunged into chaos with the sanctions shortly after we won the CWC this year.

I don't have to remind you of the horrible questions Tuchel had to face from the press shortly after the sanctions. No manager would want to go through that. To top it off., he's also went through an expensive divorce around the same time.

I know that's all in the past, but considering all that the club and Tuchel have been through recently, they deserve some slack. Heck, I didn't even complain about Nike, who despite making odd kit designs this year, have at least stuck with us through the sanctions 

But at the same time, I do not like the club shooting itself in the foot. That's why I share some of the same concerns you have over certain signings. Like the Aubemayang one. That's a Tuchel driven decision for sure, and I have strong apprehensions about it. This maybe wouldn't happen with a proper DOF in place. If that move fails, it's all on him.

I'm also apprehensive about Tuchels growing negativity. The Tottenham match seemed to bring it to a boil. Chelsea managers and negativity never do well.

I just hope he can turn it around in the next couple of games.

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Rudiger and ac were there for the last season. I feel his tactics have been found out. 

Our only x-factor is kante. When he is on the pitch, he can literally change the game, but other than that, teams have understood how to play us. I don't think that has anything to do with the defence. We did not get demolished by leeds due to defence, it was our mid being overrun. Any mid who can get in jorgi's face will thrive against this team. And we have done nothing to correct it. 

As for TT and the club, we did go through some weird times, but his abysmal league record is not just due to it.

How are people ignoring his utter dismantling of our attacking personnel. I was happy and fine when it seemed that it was just Lukaku who was the issue. But now we are literally selling Werner, ziyech, Puli, cho. So I am to believe that ALL of them are the problem while AUBA-fucking-mayeng is the solution. That is the height of ego from our manager who has just thrown 4-5 players under the bus from his tactical deficiencies. 

I am not willing to give TT a pass just because he had to answer a few tough questions. A lot of us have to go through something personal while keeping a happy face and still trudging through life. All the while not earning in our lifetime what TT is earning in a year. 

I hope we win each remaining game of the season, but i don't expect that to happen. If i was the club, i would be lining up replacements right now while giving TT a couple more months because I don't see any positivity or upside. His transfer targets like auba, gordon are poor. His tactics have been found out. I don't see any players who have improved under him like Salah/Mane under klopp. All i care about the club, and TT does not give me any indication that he is doing good for the club.

[Henrique 9,133]

Right now there is no one in charge. Its clear club lacks any direction, and the new owner put Tuchel in a position hes never been before.

Thats why the club transfer window is pretty erratic. For example: getting rid of both Lukaku and Werner before buying another proper CF. 

Lost both Raphinha and Kounde to Barcelona...and 2 weeks later no other CB or winger arrived. So, the club didnt have any plan b, instead we are now letting Chalobah leave on loan and Zyech is also going back do Ajax.

Madness.

 

 

[Strike 7,317]

  On 23/08/2022 at 04:39, blahblahblah said:

I disagree mate.  Go back exactly an year and just look at the hype we had. Most of us were expecting to either win the PL or be there-thereabouts. If i told you this time last year, that within a year this Chelsea squad won't even be odds on to make the top4 next year, you would have called me an absolute hater. 

The squad we had last year was good enough to win and atleast challenge for PL. The only squad i would say was poor was under lamps and maybe sarri (aging). 

We have spent 450m in the last 3 summer and that is rumored to go upto 550 or 600m. The talent that we have acquired was the absolute envy of our competitors. We have severely severely under acheived. TT has failed to get the best out of or even integrate any of the new big name signings. Any other manager would have been called out for failing to improve Kai, Werner, Lukaku, ziyech but TT for some reason keeps getting a pass. And these are some big names. Werner was wanted by Liverpool, Kai was wanted by the world, ziyech was considered a magician, Lukaku for all his deficiency is one of the best goal scorers of this era. You can't say that we did not have quality or the squad was not good enough. 

I look at our very rapid decline to mediocrity within a year as failure from manager and management. Not the quality of squad

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This level of entitlement is problematic. Chelsea were and still are very far off in the league. Chelsea has finished around 15-30 points behind City/Liverpool for the last five seasons with the exception of Liverpool's injury crisis year.

Of course Tuchel is not above scrutiny but this idea that he should be sacked 3 games into his 2nd full season because he has not caught up with a generational Liverpool/City side (accumulating 90+ points) is absurd. Liverpool and City are not envious of the talent at Chelsea apart from James and a fit Kante. They have comfortably better players because they have spent years shaping that squad, signing players who fit the manager's mould.

Liverpool and their process with Klopp is a great example - they finished 8th, 4th and 4th under him but the fans were not calling for his head through this. They picked the market really well and built the team over 2-3 years which became wildly successful.

 

 

[blahblahblah 73]

  On 23/08/2022 at 06:59, Strike said:

This level of entitlement is problematic. Chelsea were and still are very far off in the league. Chelsea has finished around 15-30 points behind City/Liverpool for the last five seasons with the exception of Liverpool's injury crisis year.

Of course Tuchel is not above scrutiny but this idea that he should be sacked 3 games into his 2nd full season because he has not caught up with a generational Liverpool/City side (accumulating 90+ points) is absurd. Liverpool and City are not envious of the talent at Chelsea apart from James and a fit Kante. They have comfortably better players because they have spent years shaping that squad, signing players who fit the manager's mould.

Liverpool and their process with Klopp is a great example - they finished 8th, 4th and 4th under him but the fans were not calling for his head through this. They picked the market really well and built the team over 2-3 years which became wildly successful.

 

 

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It's not entitlement. It's simply not accepting mediocrity. 

At the end of the day, do i feel a Conte, Jose, klopp, pep can get better out of the current squad while solving the issues of the squad with 300m , hell yes. 

That's not entitlement that's basic analysis. 

TT right now seems to be above scrutiny if expecting a title challenge with close to 500m being spent in last 3 seasons seems to be labelled as "entitlement".

Stop the comparision with klopp, it's embarassing. Klopp did not have anywhere near the resources that TT does. Also, klopp's Liverpool's football and the progression was always there to see. Unlike TT.