🇩🇪 Timo Werner

[cosmicway 1,333]

9 minutes ago, Jason said:

First, the Kalou comparison and now Morata? People have seriously lost the plot. 

I said he does n't look even remotely like one of those cases.
But some improvement may be possible.
 

p.s does n't - the press daemon

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

We have a player named Wenger? 

😆 Wenger on the wing, Werner when striker. 

[Superblue 6,372]

I've got no concerns over Werner. He had a really poor game last night where nothing seemed to go right but the biggest positive was despite that, he never hid. He was still prepared to track back when we were under pressure and still made himself available for the ball including in the last minute leading up to the goal. Similarly against Newcastle, despite missing a couple of chances he kept going and didn't let it affect him which led to a superb assist to kill the game off. I'm comparing this to the likes of Torres and Morata who when short of confidence would hide and not want the ball, effectively leaving us with 10 men.

I think over the next couple of weeks Werner will get some rest as the Sevilla and Krasnodar games can afford Lampard to do that, as well as I believe a free week shortly after for the league cup games. 

[Nero 1,874]

This is getting serious now.

[Milan 17,957]

I am far more concerned what I am going to eat for dinner than Timo Werner.

[Johnnyeye 7,509]

21 minutes ago, Patrick Bamford said:

This is getting serious now.

social media is very toxic indeed. Donkey? what a bellend

[Jase 43,479]

56 minutes ago, Patrick Bamford said:

This is getting serious now.

OH MY GOD! HE'S SHIT! WE MUST SELL HIM!

[Jase 43,479]

33 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

social media is very toxic indeed. Donkey? what a bellend

Don't you know, you gotta use words like Donkey to gain popularity on social media these days. 

[Jype 6,398]

Werner has never been the most clinical of players. Last season in the Bundesliga he recorded 20 big chances missed, only second to Lewandowski at 24.

That said, it comes with the territory. He's a player who gets in these chances constantly because he's a good player and even though he misses a lot of them he still finds himself on the score sheet really often as well. If you look at the stats from EPL last few seasons, you'll find players like Aubameyang, Vardy, Salah, Mane constantly topping the table of big chances missed statistics. Are they bad players as well? I think not.

Sure he should've scored at least two or more goals in the games against Newcastle and Rennes but shit happens, so what? The team was still good enough to win both of those games despite Werner having an off-day with his finishing so what's the problem? I'll only start getting worried if Timo stops getting himself in these kind of goalscoring positions and wanders around the pitch like a lost lamb because only then there is a problem. Right now his overall play is looking good and more goals will come, it's only a matter of time.

8 goals is a very decent return for this stage of the season, especially for a player who's only just joined a new club this season. To put things into perspective, if he keeps up the same scoring rate he'll end up with +25 goals overall in all competitions, which is something no Chelsea player has done in the last ten years.

As for the "oh but he's scored three penalties" brigade I'll ask you who's the one who got those penalties? Timo has won four penalties so far I think, but Jorginho took the first few and missed some.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Those two missed chances in the pics don't look at all like he panicked to me (the Morata disease).
Bad contact, especially the second one against Rennes.
But also against United.
Just a bit more concentration is needed.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Jype said:

Werner has never been the most clinical of players. Last season in the Bundesliga he recorded 20 big chances missed, only second to Lewandowski at 24.

That said, it comes with the territory. He's a player who gets in these chances constantly because he's a good player and even though he misses a lot of them he still finds himself on the score sheet really often as well. If you look at the stats from EPL last few seasons, you'll find players like Aubameyang, Vardy, Salah, Mane constantly topping the table of big chances missed statistics. Are they bad players as well? I think not.

You're right. Last season, Aubameyang, Vardy, Salah and Mane all missed 10, 18, 15, 18 big chances in the Premier League. Mane and Vardy were the 5th highest and Salah was the 7th highest in terms of big chances missed. And funnily enough, Abraham was the 2nd highest on the list with 22 big chances missed last season, just 2 lower than Jesus. Vardy and Mane have also missed more big chances (5) than Werner in the league this season. 

And Werner did miss 21 big chances last season but at the same time, he also took the second highest number of shots in the Bundesliga, also only second to Lewandowski. So, it does reiterate your point there. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

3 hours ago, Patrick Bamford said:

This is getting serious now.

Its mental. How many people would have taken Cavani at some point when he was at Napoli or PSG? He misses lots of huge chances too put still puts up massive numbers. Lots of strikers do it. Aguero, Aubamayang, Ibrahimovic, Firmino, Lukaku, Lautaro Martinez, Morata, Griezmann, Giroud, Benzema etc.... even Ronaldo misses huge chances but you dont see people saying all that crap. Typical though folk on here will act like its the end of the world when Werner will probably get 15 goals PL this season, which for a first season pretty decent. Only had 2 bad games. End of the fucking world for some people though, incredible, sometimes wonder if people want our players to fail or be seen as flops because they have nothing else to do. Not just Werner. Been numerous cases over the years. Not even sure some people watch the games now just clips of someone missing this chance or mistiming tackles. Which takes away all the good things they do in games to focus purely on maybe 5 seconds of the game. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

Class

 

[Special Juan 28,141]

Not worried at all, what he has brought to this team is something really special. His ability to run with the ball IE Newcastle for Tammy's goal and also his ability to play wide or through the middle.

He will only get better, that I promise.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,074]

8 hours ago, cosmicway said:

As cool executioners go the best ever was Nacho Scocco imo

1. Jimmy Greaves

2. Gerd Muller

3. Open for discussion.

[King Kante 1,643]

Misses like Timo makes happen all the time to players like him. What people need to consider is how many chances he creates for himself and others rather than the misses. So far he has something like 7 goals and 4 assits, that is about an average Willian season. 

For me, as long as he continues to score and assist at the rate he is going I am fine with the big misses. Sure, he can maybe improve it but as the stats for Mane/Vardy/Salah show, players as good as them still have big misses. Only player in the world at the moment that isn't doing this is Håland but he is a freak. Messi and CR7 are/were other examples of creating so much but being more clinical. However, I never thought Werner was this level as I do not play FIFA and think that is how football works in real life. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,074]

First of all SFL is right. The chance Timo missed yesterday was not as easy as it looked.

For me the hits and misses of Timo's game add up to a big net positive. I contrast that with Sam Kerr who joined CFCW with the reputation as the best goal scorer in the women's game and, like Timo, has missed good chances. The contrast is that other than that she has not yet shown herself to be a difference maker whereas Timo has.

[Jase 43,479]

55 minutes ago, King Kante said:

For me, as long as he continues to score and assist at the rate he is going I am fine with the big misses. Sure, he can maybe improve it but as the stats for Mane/Vardy/Salah show, players as good as them still have big misses. Only player in the world at the moment that isn't doing this is Håland but he is a freak.

Haaland is probably indeed a freak but even he has missed 3 big chances in the Bundesliga this season and he's played about 2 games less than Werner. His xG is higher though and he's outperforming that too.

Haaland in 2020/21 Bundesliga:
Minutes - 561
Goals - 10
xG - 6.41
Big Chances Missed - 3

Even another freak in Lewandowski has missed 6 big chances this season in the Bundesliga - 3rd highest in their league. 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

I'm more worried of Pulisic's glass made body than Werner's finishing. This guy is a proper striker with a proper mentality, will miss some, will score lots, he is not Martial who United fans rate him as one of world's finest when the truth is he is in his what? Fifth, sixth season in England and has done fuck all to prove he is even on par with Jamie Vardy, nevermind Europe's best strikers.

Pulisic though... this is one situation the club and the player himself must sort out in the coming months

[King Kante 1,643]

Intersting. I knew he was overperforming his xG by a high level do presumed he was not missing many big chances (although did think he probablyhad 1-2 owing to the nature of a CF's role.) I think Timo is more on par with xG, unless I am wrong? 

Either way, as I said, I am not worried about Timo, he creates himself so many chances that the big misses shouldn't really worry anyone.