Super Frank Thread

[Unionjack 7,531]

Are we going to have any more Sheff Utds? Please say no cause Im not sure/

[Azul 1,615]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Yep. Fluidity in tactics and formation usually works when there is an established way of playing in the first place

Exactly he doesn't even have a playstyle, and this is his second season! Let's just hope he finds it as soon as possible and our players adapt very quickly.

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

That is true but we had bigger howlers last season imo, numerous ones that made us look like utter baffoons.

And please folks stop comparing klopp/Pep to FL. Both were winners before they came here, both have certain style, they developed teams/players.....its not comparable at all imo.

But Klopp wasn't a winner when he went to Dortmund, so should they have sacked him when they struggled early on and gone for a "proven winner" like say, Felix Magath?

[Tomo 21,751]

10 minutes ago, Azul said:

Exactly he doesn't even have a playstyle, and this is his second season! Let's just hope he finds it as soon as possible and our players adapt very quickly.

He appears since lockdown to be settling for the Zidane approach, ie keep it more compact and let the talent up top change the games in our favour.

Could actually help us compete in Europe but skeptical it can win a league Vs Pep and Klopp.

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, Tomo said:

He appears since lockdown to be settling for the Zidane approach, ie keep it more compact and let the talent up top change the games in our favour.

Could actually help us compete in Europe but skeptical it can win a league Vs Pep and Klopp.

Why do I feel like you're holding back on this matter?  

[Atomiswave 6,117]

54 minutes ago, Tomo said:

But Klopp wasn't a winner when he went to Dortmund, so should they have sacked him when they struggled early on and gone for a "proven winner" like say, Felix Magath?

Your right that was the case, but he kept that klopp style intact throughout, I might be wrong but I dont remember him chopping and changing players formations and his way of playing every damn game. FL dont know his style yet it seems, he does not know his best 11....we wont get anywhere until thats sorted im afraid.

[prehuman 119]

6 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

So Giroud started last season as 3rd striker. Was out of the team for like 6 months. Then he became 2nd striker over Michy and finished the season as a 1st striker and scoring in almost every game. Without him no chance we would get CL football. He saved us!

And now after all great games he is back to where he was. 3rd striker. What message Frank is sending here? 

Like many said yesterday was perfect game for him. Werner LW, CHO RW and Kai AM. It is clear that this team would do much better. 

Last season he scored twice against Liverpool and was great in 2:0 Cup game. 

In 5:3 loss we started with Willian and Mount wide and they were shit. We became instantly much better team when he introduced real fast wingers in Pulisic and CHO. And he learned nothing from that since he did the same mistake again. Frank is so weird with his lineups. 

 

excellent example

[0007 511]

I can't really  remember Klopp only setting up his team to nulify the opponent and not to use the opportunities to attack them. And by opportunities I don't mean relying on your best player to come up with some sort of magic or hoping that the opponent will make  a costly error like the one Mendy did. I actually mean transitions that have been trained and some sort of attacking patterns that can be seen.But even in Klopp's early seasons they had a go at every team no matter who was against them.They weren't as successful as they are nowadays  but at least didn't abandon the approach for the sake of getting the result needed. And it paid off big time. We just have this inferior complex that some teams are just better than us and we have to stop them instead of the opposite.And it's not a new thing - it has been this way since the first Mourinho stint here. In fact, I think that he instilled this mindset in a lot of our fans and they are OK with it. 

WTF do we do in training? Our build-up play is well below the level it was with Sarri. We were boring at times, his stuborness was well-known, his team selections were at more than questionable but at least we were good at something because we actually have been training it. I am 100% sure that Lampard wants us to play out from the back and to become really good at it but you have to have the  actual knowledge and the ideas to make the team execute it. Most of the times the ball goes to the full-backs and they play it long to the wingers. Pochettino's Tottenham did it but they did play those long balls to the space behind the opponent's full-backs and the runs their wingers did were in sync with the passes. We try aiming the ball  to the wingers and   hope to win the second balls. Playing through the middle is almost non-existent. Jorginho is a player I like a lot but without the required movement of the players around him he is useless. And the movement is so bad at times and I am not talking only about yesterday.In these big games when we don't try to have the ball and with the lack of movement we benefit more from players like Kovacic who can overcome the press by dribbling past the opponent's players. 

 

I am even angrier at our attempts of pressing. Lampard clearly is keen on us pressing the hell of our  opponents (although as we saw yesterday it's not like we will always do it) but our press at times is easy to be passed on. Our full-backs stay deep which makes us not compact enough.There is always space  on the flanks and I can't even remember how many times Liverpool passed the ball to a free player there and kept on with their attack. We don't want to commit too much people it seems  but this hurts our press  big time.And it's not always about the quality of your players, it's the positioning and the movement that is  more important while pressing. 

 

Look at Bayern - Flick has been there for less than an year but his idea of playing was clear within his first  month of coaching them. There are other not so successful examples but an year and 2 months should be enough to see what we are in for. Right now nobody knows if we are going to be pragmatic, who between Kante and Jorginho is first choice and what our best line-up is. I agree with some of the posters that in order to be adaptive you have to master the basics first. IMO we should play with Jorginho and Kova against the lesser sides - our best run if wins last year was without Kante. He is a liability against teams that just want to deffend but a lot of our fans love him and can't see him out of the starting line-up.But this topic is for another conversation. 

 

I love Frank - he is intelligent, smart and a really nice guy. But I am afraid that the managers he played under are partly responsible for the way he implements some  of his ideas because almost all of them were pragmatic/reactive. Hope I am wrong and  the excuses are relevant.I am skeptical but Lampard still has the time to convince me  that he is  capable. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

Next 3 league games will give us an idea of how the season will pan out, along the overall confidence in Lampard.

They are winnable games. If Lampard reverts back to the football we played at the start of last season, he will undoubtedly have our support.

He continues with the chopping and changing, passive possession football approach. I fear its over for him. 

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

17 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I fear its over for him. 

Legend or not that famous axe will chop him in half if we cant see progress by christmas, we have a few good managers looking to take over.

[killer1257 3,282]

Chelsea fans are such drama queens lol.
Winning the first game, then losing the second game against the champions due to a red card and missed penalty and now they want Lampard gone [emoji23]. I mean, without having a pre season and Puli, Ziyech, Mendy, Silva and Chilwell still to play one match, they want to sack the manager. Insane...
Patience is something only a few people have, I guess most Chelsea fans do not have patience...

The only thing I would have done different yesterday was playing CHO instead of Jorgi, so we could play with one winger at least.



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[Alabama 1,992]

42 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Chelsea fans are such drama queens lol.
Winning the first game, then losing the second game against the champions due to a red card and missed penalty and now they want Lampard gone . I mean, without having a pre season and Puli, Ziyech, Mendy, Silva and Chilwell still to play one match, they want to sack the manager. Insane...
Patience is something only a few people have, I guess most Chelsea fans do not have patience...

The only thing I would have done different yesterday was playing CHO instead of Jorgi, so we could play with one winger at least.



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That's the TC world we live...its even so ridiculous on Twitter and our facebook page...How I wish Andrea's was not so stupid to engage in that reckless challenge...I know we could have ended up with 3 points...

Irony of it all is wanting Pochettino that has not won any single trophy yet slating Frank for inexperience..

[DANILA 290]

48 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Chelsea fans are such drama queens lol.
Winning the first game, then losing the second game against the champions due to a red card and missed penalty and now they want Lampard gone . I mean, without having a pre season and Puli, Ziyech, Mendy, Silva and Chilwell still to play one match, they want to sack the manager. Insane...
Patience is something only a few people have, I guess most Chelsea fans do not have patience...

The only thing I would have done different yesterday was playing CHO instead of Jorgi, so we could play with one winger at least.



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I think chelsea fans have patience to play at a top level, but we aren't even playing "OK". We barely beat Brighton and was a very ugly win. We didn't even have more than 1 solid chance against Liverpool when Leeds had 5-6. Lampard doesn't know how he wants to play and its obvious; we have zero attacking plays, it's just a matter of individual talent creating things occasionally when opportunities present themselves. Even much weaker teams in other leagues have a team attack play going about them even if they don't have the individual talent...  

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

I think some on give Frank a break, he's helped massively get good signings over the line and he's not even had chance to play 4 of them yet (including mendy in this). So we have absolutely no idea how Frank wants to play yet, chill out watch the team grow after 10 to 15 games then judge him 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,057]

I have to get out of this thread. I can't believe what I'm reading.