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4 hours ago, killer1257 said:

And lost it?He also brought Choupo Mouting instead of Icardi in the final minutes. Why?

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Because Tuchel never like or want Icardi in his team, infact this is one of the reasons why Tuchel had a falling out with Leonardo.  

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I can't actually believe how well coached we are. Puts it in further perspective when you see the garbage United and Arsenal are spewing. I love the fact Frank isn't so stubborn to try and do it

Very confused, can only assume the ones being somewhat negative did not watch the game? Aside from Dave and Zouma, I thought we played really well against the European Champions. I was shocked at time

Our pressing game was superb, and made all the difference today! 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz to harass opponents and Kante to sweep up behind...that's the way to go. And we have two bombing

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4 hours ago, Jason said:

We have a somewhat young and inexperienced team but at the same time, we also have a young and inexperienced manager. It's a case of the blind leading the blind.

The more things progress, the more it feels like Lampard is like what Ranieri was to us back in the early 2000s - someone who helped set up the foundation of a great team before a better manager came in, took the team to the next level and made it world class. 

This is like...what I’ve been saying from the very beginning.

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Yet again Frank says 'players efforts' not 'tactics'. Same thing said two weeks ago. A manager who consistently throws his players under the bus. 

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/frank-lampard-chelsea-vs-arsenal-fury-lazy-defeat-b515249.html

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Not happy at all.

He appears in over his head.

He is very poor with game management and formation/positional set ups.

If we lose 5 of the next 7 EPL games he needs to be sacked. All 5 are tough games. The other 2 of the 7 are Burnley and Fulham.

I am very close to losing patience. You give a decent manager these incredible players and I guarantee they would at least have a structure.

Cannot believe that when we had NO true wingers and THREE healthy CFs Lampard still refused to even TRY 2 at the top. Insanity.

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3 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I’m surprised there are those who aren’t Lampard out yet after yesterday’s performance. No way this can be turned around. 

 

When do you realistically think the board will even think of giving Lampard the boot? IMO it will depend on how far we are away from top 4 when we arrive close to the midway point of the season. Basically by the time we play Leicester or Fulham., meaning the results of the Villa and City games will dictate that.

 

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At this point in this season, you cannot rule out top 4. We went on a 17 game unbeaten run before the Everton defeat, at a time when United could not buy a home win, and Everton were lagging in 10th place. 

The club does not care how great or how poor we were in individual matches as long as the points are on the board.

 

That's for mid-season. 

Now what about end season? I don't think a simple top 4 objective would be sufficient there. 

If we scrape through like we did last season, the board won't be happy. They clearly invested in the team to cement our place in the top 4 this season. If the likes of Leicester or Everton or even Tottenham come close to preventing a top 4 finish, that will be it.

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6 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

That is an interesting point, and I don't have a good answer to that.

That comment from Lampard about tempering expectations came right after Klopp's comment, and we've been a shitty side ever since then. 

I think the squad have given up on chasing for the title, and it shows in the lack of intensity on the pitch. And so far, Lampard is struggling to give them additional motivation (besides winning the title) to do better.

It's also around the same we started to play the better sides, if you like, and I don't believe for one second our recent struggles is due to the players losing motivation because they cannot challenge for the title. How many players in the current squad have even challenged for league titles in their career anyway? If anything, these last few games just exposed Lampard's naive tactics, style of play and the inability to get the best out of this group of players. 

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15 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's also around the same we started to play the better sides, if you like, and I don't believe for one second our recent struggles is due to the players losing motivation because they cannot challenge for the title. How many players in the current squad have even challenged for league titles in their career anyway? If anything, these last few games just exposed Lampard's naive tactics, style of play and the inability to get the best out of this group of players. 

Hmm., but wasn't that your point regarding Lampard's response to Klopp (that this side is not a title favorite)? That the squad could take comments like that from Lampard in the wrong way, and see it as lowering estimations of themselves?

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2 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Hmm., but wasn't that your point regarding Lampard's response to Klopp (that this side is not a title favorite)? That the squad could take comments like that from Lampard in the wrong way, and see it as lowering estimations of themselves?

I was only wondering about it. God knows if Lampard is saying something else behind closed doors. There are far bigger issues, IMO, in the last few games. 

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When results are going well, Lampard preaches patience with the new players.

When results are going bad, Lampard suddenly wants the new players to adapt quicker. (second time he has said this recently)

All this while looking clueless on how to get the best out of the 2 biggest attacking signings on the pitch. :doh: 

It was unfortunate that he got COVID-19 but the Havertz situation also needs to be addressed soon!

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Just now, Jason said:

I was only wondering about it. God knows if Lampard is saying something else behind closed doors. There are far bigger issues, IMO, in the last few games. 

I wish I could know what he says to the team behind close doors too, about that, and other things.

Like, regarding why we seem to press with high intensity in some games, and look absolutely lethargic in others. This has become a feature of his Chelsea tenure.

 

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Just now, Blue Armour said:

I wish I could know what he says to the team behind close doors too, about that, and other things.

Like, regarding why we seem to press with high intensity in some games, and look absolutely lethargic in others. This has become a feature of his Chelsea tenure.

Fixture congestion, fatigue etc although yeah, we have never been able to press well under Lampard.

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

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When results are going well, Lampard preaches patience with the new players.

When results are going bad, Lampard suddenly wants the new players to adapt quicker. (second time he has said this recently)

All this while looking clueless on how to get the best out of the 2 biggest attacking signings on the pitch. :doh: 

It was unfortunate that he got COVID-19 but the Havertz situation also needs to be addressed soon!

Not sure why he couldn't play him in a more central role against Arsenal, especially with CHO returning.

Now with fully fit wide players, he should do it (or if not drop him from the starting 11). Unless he plans to give Pulisic a breather, in which case,...shit.

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Not for the first time this month, Chelsea haven’t come close to matching their opponents’ intensity. Arsenal haven’t played like a team in disarray and their lead is utterly deserved. Frank Lampard urgently needs to change something here.

 

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Chelsea fans: Discuss the Arsenal game with our reporter Liam Twomey

Tuck into Christmas dinner and eat several mince pies — tick. Watch Home Alone — tick. Indulge in festive football on Boxing Day — soon to be ticked. If you’re not spending the day watching game after game and following our coverage then you are simply doing it all wrong…

Pose your questions now and The Athletic’s Chelsea reporter Liam Twomey will join in a couple of hours before kick-off, then discuss the performance, where the match was won and lost and pick through what the result means for the club.

https://theathletic.com/2283155/2020/12/25/chelsea-arsenal-score-2/

 

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Just now, Jason said:

Fixture congestion, fatigue etc although yeah, we have never been able to press well under Lampard.

Our press was brilliant against opposition in the November PL games, and even with our B team away at Sevilla.

West Ham game and Arsenal had sufficient rest days preceding those games. No excuse for fixture congestion there.

Maybe these players aren't physically conditioned well enough yet, and after the flurry of December fixtures, the wheels have started to come off. 

 

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Just now, Vesper said:

Chelsea fans: Discuss the Arsenal game with our reporter Liam Twomey

Tuck into Christmas dinner and eat several mince pies — tick. Watch Home Alone — tick. Indulge in festive football on Boxing Day — soon to be ticked. If you’re not spending the day watching game after game and following our coverage then you are simply doing it all wrong…

Pose your questions now and The Athletic’s Chelsea reporter Liam Twomey will join in a couple of hours before kick-off, then discuss the performance, where the match was won and lost and pick through what the result means for the club.

https://theathletic.com/2283155/2020/12/25/chelsea-arsenal-score-2/

 

It's behind a paywall. :lol: 

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Just now, Blue Armour said:

Our press was brilliant against opposition in the November PL games, and even with our B team away at Sevilla.

West Ham game and Arsenal had sufficient rest days preceding those games. No excuse for fixture congestion there.

Maybe these players aren't physically conditioned well enough yet, and after the flurry of December fixtures, the wheels have started to come off. 

Free weeks are nothing under Lampard. They just give him "opportunities" to overwork the players. Ever notice random injury or two tends to pop up after a free week? Or we tend to put in poor, lethargic performances after a free week? 

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