Super Frank Thread

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

Haha, I see you still remember that time me gunning for Howe.

Why wouldn't I?

I am a stalker after all.  

[Jase 43,479]

Lampard has to stop with the back 3 nonsense next season. It is fine if he plays that for specific games but he seems to have tendency to think 'oh, it worked in this game. so, let's use it for the next one too' even though the formation was used for a specific opponent. Things have always gone south in subsequent games when he has done that. Needs to bin that idea and stick with his overall plan!

[Puliiszola 519]

45 minutes ago, Jason said:

Lampard has to stop with the back 3 nonsense next season. It is fine if he plays that for specific games but he seems to have tendency to think 'oh, it worked in this game. so, let's use it for the next one too' even though the formation was used for a specific opponent. Things have always gone south in subsequent games when he has done that. Needs to bin that idea and stick with his overall plan!

True. Just this morning someone said that 3-4-3 might be our best formation for the next season, and I could not disagree more.

3-4-3 requires 2 complete midfielders who can defend and drive through the opposition, we have none of that ilk.

All said, i can still see why we played that, specially with our LB options.

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

Enjoyed Lampard’s presser for once. Really laid into them. 
 

The switch off in intensity was well and truly unacceptable. At least it’s reassuring these players who failed their audition this season will either be benched or sold. 

[DDA 9,690]

40 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Enjoyed Lampard’s presser for once. Really laid into them. 
 

The switch off in intensity was well and truly unacceptable. At least it’s reassuring these players who failed their audition this season will either be benched or sold. 

That is the one good thing with Frank... he may get it wrong tactically but he is no pussy when it comes to dropping players for poor performances and not one of those motherfuckers can stand up to him because there is no player on Earth that the fans would accept standing up to Lamps. 

[Puliiszola 519]

3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Enjoyed Lampard’s presser for once. Really laid into them. 
 

The switch off in intensity was well and truly unacceptable. At least it’s reassuring these players who failed their audition this season will either be benched or sold. 

Link?

[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Enjoyed Lampard’s presser for once. Really laid into them. 

The switch off in intensity was well and truly unacceptable. At least it’s reassuring these players who failed their audition this season will either be benched or sold. 

One year into his regime and people are still reading so much into Lampard's pressers, especially post-match. Changes are inevitable, yesterday's match makes no difference.

Lampard is like a broken record these days whenever we lose a game. He talks about this problem, that problem and yet for example, he had chances - during drinks break and HT - to sort things out or change things around but nothing happened yesterday. The back 3 didn't work and has never worked against Arsenal and yet, he started with it and stuck with it. 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He was dominated tactically by Arteta. We never had a stable period of dominance after the first 15 minutes. It doesn't help that we had midfielders who couldn't give a forward pass without losing the ball and pulisic (our only high quality player in attack/midfield) getting injured.

 

Lamps has to develop some sort of system/style of play to help the players. This is what coaches like conte/Mourinho of old did. Conte tactics made Moses/Alonso look quality. This current way we are playing where we are so random, depending on how good our players are on the day, without any recognised system means, the only way we can get successful under Lamps is to get quality players all over the pitch.

 

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[Special Juan 27,424]

The first half drinks break Arteta was going nuts and really driving at the players to wake up....FL kept just saying small things.....Frank man demand more from them FFS

[Dimitr 488]

If you have Rudiger,Alonso azpi in your team what are you waiting for?We must sell and Jorginho unfortunately he isn’t for us . I would like partey instead of him.

we can’t defend for two reasons:

1.we haven’t defense obviously 

2 we haven’t a clear DM  we need a player like Matic etc.

we don’t have balance in our game .

 

[Special Juan 27,424]

Kepa, Rudiger, Alonso and Azpilicueta.....All four are not good enough and we need to realise that immediately. Rice won't fix every issue but him and LB is a fucking start

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1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

He was dominated tactically by Arteta. We never had a stable period of dominance after the first 15 minutes. It doesn't help that we had midfielders who couldn't give a forward pass without losing the ball and pulisic (our only high quality player in attack/midfield) getting injured.

Lamps has to develop some sort of system/style of play to help the players. This is what coaches like conte/Mourinho of old did. Conte tactics made Moses/Alonso look quality. This current way we are playing where we are so random, depending on how good our players are on the day, without any recognised system means, the only way we can get successful under Lamps is to get quality players all over the pitch.

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Another thing that I'd maybe point out is that Lampard needs to decide what he wants to do with the youth players. He played them right up until lockdown but since then, he's played them less and suddenly relied on the more experienced players. It hasn't exactly turned out bad for us but it's almost like a change of direction all of a sudden when he appeared to sacrifice long term gains for short term gains. 

[Special Juan 27,424]

Reece Callum and Tammy will all suffer next season with lack of game time.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

Lampard is following the well trodden path of all English managers. Play till the bitter end have a stint in the BT /Sky studio and go into management utterly unprepared. Lampard went to the States for the money when what he and other managers should do is take a year off go and study other managers coaching techniques take a few courses and then go into management.

You get the impression Lampard can't take criticism and is very thin skinned and is almost dismissive in interviews. An injury hit squad facing Bayern next week things could get messy. Lampard has had his season ok an odd one in difficult circumstances but it's time fans started judging him on results and not his legacy as a player. You can blatantly see it in posts where fans are reluctant to slag him off and that's understandable to a degree but there's a song with the lyric '' Excuses have their uses but now they've all used up''. As far as I'm concerned it's Joe Bloggs manager not Frank Lampard Chelsea legend.

[Superblue 6,370]

13 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Lampard is following the well trodden path of all English managers. Play till the bitter end have a stint in the BT /Sky studio and go into management utterly unprepared. Lampard went to the States for the money when what he and other managers should do is take a year off go and study other managers coaching techniques take a few courses and then go into management.

You get the impression Lampard can't take criticism and is very thin skinned and is almost dismissive in interviews. An injury hit squad facing Bayern next week things could get messy. Lampard has had his season ok an odd one in difficult circumstances but it's time fans started judging him on results and not his legacy as a player. You can blatantly see it in posts where fans are reluctant to slag him off and that's understandable to a degree but there's a song with the lyric '' Excuses have their uses but now they've all run out''. As far as I'm concerned it's Joe Bloggs manager not Frank Lampard Chelsea legend.

I was supportive of the idea of giving Lampard the job last summer, mainly because I felt with the loss of Hazard and the transfer ban it was a complete free hit for someone to come in who cares about the club and I'd expect to be prepared to lay down a long term plan for the club which would involve trying to integrate some of our youth players to freshen up the squad. Some of them the jury is still out but 2 or 3 of them will definitely carry on playing regularly into next season and beyond, and very likely 2 or 3 more will at the very least be squad players. That's a huge bonus moving forward for the club. None of them are at the level they need to be yet to be challenging for the league but a year under their belts will help on the way to that. Somebody like Rashford seems to be getting lots of headlines this season but he's been around the United first team for 4-5 years and is only really now going up a level. I think Lampard placing faith in a number of them at times throughout the season will be a long term benefit to the club.

To get top 4 I think was the absolute peak of what we as fans could have expected this year having lost our best player, and arguably the best player in the league. So just on a basic overall of the season I think Lampard has done a good job and achieved.

However make no mistake, next season we do need to improve. Even if they don't make many signings, I would expect Arsenal and Spurs to improve next season with a full season of their managers. Wolves have been there or thereabouts for two seasons now and if they can add one or two, there's nothing to suggest they won't be again. And United I expect will kick on based on their form in the second half of the season as opposed to the first. We've been consistently inconsistent throughout the season. It was enough this year, but it won't be next. 

I like the signings that Lampard has made and the Havertz potential signing could be a huge one. The presence of Lampard as manager seems to have been a great pull for all of them too which could be a big thing moving forward in our recruitment. I don't think Werner or Havertz would have been viewed as attainable targets a few months ago but the uncertainty of times and Lampard seemingly a very persuasive influence has presented an opportunity that the club look to be taking. These three signings will hopefully address one issue in our team that we're not clinical enough, especially against teams in the bottom half of the table which is a big reason why we've dropped silly points. Lampard now has to address that defence with at least a couple of signings.

And then there are a number of aspects of his coaching that need to be worked on. Particularly the defensive shape when we have the ball (because we always look susceptible to the counter) and defending set pieces. Maybe it's possible to develop a more solid shape next season if we have a better crop of attacking players. Sarri was able to do this in the second half of his season with Hazard in the team to bail out a toothless attack. But with the players coming in, we should have as strong a midfield and attack than we've had in years. 

I don't mind Lampard being versatile also, but like others have mentioned, I think he needs to decide on what his primary formation and set up is going to be and predominantly stick with that moving forward. I think it will be a 4-3-3 with a more defensive minded midfielder and two 'number 8's' but that remains to be seen. He's chopped and changed a lot this season and has seemed to overthink at times. He's in a difficult spot because we have a lot of players in the squad that have been brought under Conte to suit a back 3 system when I think he wants to use a back 4 moving forward. Sarri had the same problem last season. But that is something he needs to address with the personnel at the club. I think there is a ruthless streak there in him because lots of players have been dropped and/or hooked this season and he must show that this summer in the market.

I think if Lampard fails to address certain problems that we can all see from this last season in the transfer market, or does look to address them in the market and they are still apparent next season, then there will be a lot of questions asked of him and whether he'll be the right man to take us forward. I think for this season though, and given that we managed top 4 under testing circumstances, he can be given a large benefit of the doubt. But that won't be the case next year, and strides will need to be made.

[Atomiswave 6,072]

Tactically got destroyed, I was baffled the highline we had when they scored. They have 3 pacy players up front, you are a goal ahead and our defence is almost at the half way line? Thats poor.

[1chelsea 864]

Reece Callum and Tammy will all suffer next season with lack of game time.

They should, we never see much from them


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27 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I was supportive of the idea of giving Lampard the job last summer, mainly because I felt with the loss of Hazard and the transfer ban it was a complete free hit for someone to come in who cares about the club and I'd expect to be prepared to lay down a long term plan for the club which would involve trying to integrate some of our youth players to freshen up the squad. Some of them the jury is still out but 2 or 3 of them will definitely carry on playing regularly into next season and beyond, and very likely 2 or 3 more will at the very least be squad players. That's a huge bonus moving forward for the club. None of them are at the level they need to be yet to be challenging for the league but a year under their belts will help on the way to that. Somebody like Rashford seems to be getting lots of headlines this season but he's been around the United first team for 4-5 years and is only really now going up a level. I think Lampard placing faith in a number of them at times throughout the season will be a long term benefit to the club.

To get top 4 I think was the absolute peak of what we as fans could have expected this year having lost our best player, and arguably the best player in the league. So just on a basic overall of the season I think Lampard has done a good job and achieved.

However make no mistake, next season we do need to improve. Even if they don't make many signings, I would expect Arsenal and Spurs to improve next season with a full season of their managers. Wolves have been there or thereabouts for two seasons now and if they can add one or two, there's nothing to suggest they won't be again. And United I expect will kick on based on their form in the second half of the season as opposed to the first. We've been consistently inconsistent throughout the season. It was enough this year, but it won't be next. 

I like the signings that Lampard has made and the Havertz potential signing could be a huge one. The presence of Lampard as manager seems to have been a great pull for all of them too which could be a big thing moving forward in our recruitment. I don't think Werner or Havertz would have been viewed as attainable targets a few months ago but the uncertainty of times and Lampard seemingly a very persuasive influence has presented an opportunity that the club look to be taking. These three signings will hopefully address one issue in our team that we're not clinical enough, especially against teams in the bottom half of the table which is a big reason why we've dropped silly points. Lampard now has to address that defence with at least a couple of signings.

And then there are a number of aspects of his coaching that need to be worked on. Particularly the defensive shape when we have the ball (because we always look susceptible to the counter) and defending set pieces. Maybe it's possible to develop a more solid shape next season if we have a better crop of attacking players. Sarri was able to do this in the second half of his season with Hazard in the team to bail out a toothless attack. But with the players coming in, we should have as strong a midfield and attack than we've had in years. 

I don't mind Lampard being versatile also, but like others have mentioned, I think he needs to decide on what his primary formation and set up is going to be and predominantly stick with that moving forward. I think it will be a 4-3-3 with a more defensive minded midfielder and two 'number 8's' but that remains to be seen. He's chopped and changed a lot this season and has seemed to overthink at times. He's in a difficult spot because we have a lot of players in the squad that have been brought under Conte to suit a back 3 system when I think he wants to use a back 4 moving forward. Sarri had the same problem last season. But that is something he needs to address with the personnel at the club. I think there is a ruthless streak there in him because lots of players have been dropped and/or hooked this season and he must show that this summer in the market.

I think if Lampard fails to address certain problems that we can all see from this last season in the transfer market, or does look to address them in the market and they are still apparent next season, then there will be a lot of questions asked of him and whether he'll be the right man to take us forward. I think for this season though, and given that we managed top 4 under testing circumstances, he can be given a large benefit of the doubt. But that won't be the case next year, and strides will need to be made.

The frustrating about Lampard this season is that we, the normal football fans without any managerial experience, can see what the problems are, can tell what we should or should not do when it comes to the basic things and yet, Lampard still goes and commits some of the most obvious, basic mistakes. And I don't believe for a second that the problems we have had this summer are all down to the players. You would think that he who supposedly has a high IQ and given the fact that he played under some of the best managers in history, he would at least demonstrate some of the know-hows, be streetwise etc. But no, none of that is being shown. One game we are set up perfectly and look like world beaters and the next, we are set up naively and look like clowns. 

On the Hazard subject, he was very good for us during his time at the time but maybe, we overrated his impact on the team because our record without him (excluding this season obviously) was actually good. I can't remember what the exact stats are but we have lots of wins and not too many losses.