The Conte Thread

[Superblue 6,370]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

CL places > FA Cup. Come on now. We are not a tiny club. Granted any club would take a trophy rather than winning nothing, but we are not Spuds who are desperate to win something after being trophyless for over 10 years. I rather have a trophyless season but have CL, then to just win the FA Cup. Because as I said, the FA Cup apart from adding +1 to our trophy cabinet adds nothing to what's going to happen this summer. Conte's neck is still on the line, Hazard's still deciding whether to leave or not, EL next season...

FA Cup is nice to have, but we are bigger than just winning the FA Cup. It's equivalent to Barca, Madrid or Bayern failing to get CL, failing to win the title...but winning a Spanish/German Cup. Not good enough at all.

United ended up trophyless this season, but next season they can banter us all season saying something like "Only the big clubs are in the CL". 

It's nice we won the FA Cup, but it certainly does not in any way, paper over the cracks of a shambles of a season.

Yeah but our performance today does not help Conte's case of staying as our manager. I don't care if people will forget how this final played out 10 years from now, I'm talking about now, the present. We didn't play well today, we looked so average all over the park except the Belgians, Kante and Rudiger.

It was a good thing we played boring Mou United today. If it was any other top 6 side, we would had lost.

I can understand your argument but firstly the premier league is much more unique than the other top leagues in Europe in that we have 6 big clubs competing for 4 champions league places so 2 teams are going to miss out each season. And again domestically, there are only three trophies a season handed out so they should all be seen as worthwhile achievements. I understand the financial considerations, etc of being in the Champions League but we should be big enough now to attract very good players to the club without this carrot. 

I would love to see a manager come in and bring a more bolder attacking approach so long as we're still successful. The fact is projects can be seen as a success but don't bring anything tangible at the end of them. Spurs and Liverpool are still waiting for trophies under their respective managers, whilst in that same time frame we've won 2 leagues, an FA Cup and a league cup. The fact is you have to take trophies when they are available and saviour them because you don't know when the next one will arrive.

The other thing that gets lost amongst this is that consistently winning trophies, no matter how insignificant some fans may deem them, breeds a winning mentality and culture throughout the club. A lot of players have come in since last season so it was important for them to start winning as soon as possible. It keeps the hunger of doing it again and develops the experience of playing and winning finals under pressure. Other teams don't have that.

[Henrique 9,133]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

The stupid thing in all of this is the journalists framing Conte's inevitable departure as another case of Roman sacking the manager because he didn't meet expectations, when Conte has spent pretty much the entire season begging to be sacked. Roman being a trigger happy owner when it comes to sacking managers is one of the stupidest myths ever.

imo Conte staying the whole season already is huge change in Roman's approach towards managers. Few years ago he would be gone before the end of last year. 

[Superblue 6,370]

16 minutes ago, Mana said:

Understood, but first of all we should be above Spuds. But we are not, why? Because we were a shambles this season. If we fought all the way through this season but still managed 5th, it's a different story

I never said winning the FA Cup is not an achievement. It's just shouldn't be the only achievement. In all honesty, what's the difference between winning the LC and the FAC? Oh, the FAC gives you an invitation to play City for the Charity Shield. 

Also let's not forget this is the 2nd time out of 3 that we are out of the CL. We are beginning to not be constantly be in the CL. I think we still need that carrot, especially that Hazard still hasn't signed that contract.

Let's hope Pool don't win the CL because then the wait would have paid off big time.

Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't go after trophies. That's stupid. But Chelsea should be up there with the Elite. How could we when we are inconsistent on getting in to the CL? I get that we don't know when our next trophy will arrive. And if today was a one-off, fine. But it's slowly becoming a pattern now, and going back to the "we are big enough to attract good players" without CL...let's remind ourselves that Llorente snubbed us for Spuds last summer, and we struggled to find players to come to us. And that was WITH CL football. Imagine now without CL football.

What do you mean other teams don't have that? Arsenal were in finals 4 seasons in a row. United 3. Liverpool 2. The only team you can apply here is Spuds.

Besides you say winning trophies breeds winning mentality. Maybe for other clubs, not Chelsea though. 1st to 10th, and 1st to 6th. Morata played for only 5 minutes though so for him, today shouldn't really count.

I agree with all your points except the final one. Chelsea have been the most successful club in England since Abramovich came in. The mentality and culture of the club is winning trophies. No matter how mental the club is deemed to be run by media and fans alike, it's always been backed up by the trophies and success of the club. 

I'm not saying this year hasn't been abysmal because it has, and I've posted numerous times myself that the inconsistency in the league over the last few years is a huge worry that needs addressing.

My points were made more so against your original point that you said you didn't really feel anything about winning the FA Cup. As I said previously, for me its the trophies you win that leave the memories and moments that you look back on. I was at the cup finals in 1997 and 2000 when i was young and that feeling back then of winning something will always leave a massive impression. No matter how big the club is or perceived to be, any trophies we win are great because there are so few handed out through the season.

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Pizy 18,368]

Yeah....

Seems Conte doesn't get on well with the Brazilians we've had. Fallen out with all of them. Diego, David Luiz, and now clearly Willian. And we know what happens when the players are unhappy with the manager. 

[Polo7 3,496]

Willian has been dog shit bar a few games this year. What an absolute pleb of a player. You don’t have to like the guy but this is awful behaviour. 

[Pizy 18,368]

Think if Willian goes to United it'll be a lot like Mata. Painful at times to watch a player I've loved but not consistent enough to make us truly regret selling him.

I would love a Willian for Martial swap. Even in Martial's brief cameo yesterday you see exactly what he brings. With consistent game time and a manager who isn't an asshole like José he can become a world class winger/hybrid forward. Willian can still provide moments or small stretches where he's top class but he rarely sustains it.

[Costa19 858]

Either Willian or Conte is off for sure. You cant do that and then go on and work together next season. Im all for Conte out and Sarri in but that is just disgusting from Willian. Would be happy to see Willian feck off aswell.

[manpe 10,861]

There are some rumours that he huged Mourinho before he came in.

He hugged him after the game too.

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[Milan 17,853]

34 minutes ago, iceboy said:

There are some rumours that he huged Mourinho before he came in.

[Ledg 638]

And I read, he was the first one to go down the tunnel and he didn't celebrate with his teammates and staff, which is very disrespectful.

Even if Conte's gone, he needs to go too, regardless who's going to be the new manager.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Yeah....

Seems Conte doesn't get on well with the Brazilians we've had. Fallen out with all of them. Diego, David Luiz, and now clearly Willian.

That's because club instructed Conte to get rid of Brazilians as soon as they appointed him.

[Hamilton 2,120]

Still better then martial atm..

[sainttourist 68]

We definitely should have a show on Netflix. We are not always fascinating on the field, but beyond it, no one comes close.

[Polo7 3,496]

44 minutes ago, Hamilton said:

Still better then martial atm..

Both as consistent as each other to be fair. Except Willian gets more game time. 

[SadistChicken 143]

We need someone better than both

Still better then martial atm..

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[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

So, when do we think the announcement re. conte is made?  Staying or going etc

 

I for one hope its soon, just tell us if he is staying or going, the doubt can't be good for anyone

[Henrique 9,133]

3 hours ago, Costa19 said:

Either Willian or Conte is off for sure. You cant do that and then go on and work together next season. Im all for Conte out and Sarri in but that is just disgusting from Willian. Would be happy to see Willian feck off aswell.

Geez...It seems some people really believe there is even a small chance of Conte staying.