The Conte Thread

[blues.bridge 343]

I think he has prepared the last few games really well and criticizing him for the results only shows ignorance!

We canceled barcelona (zero chance apart from the goal on an error)
and against UTD we played better the first half even if we then gave in the second half!

with players like moses,  drinkwater, pedro, morata I think he have done enough

1 lose and 1 Drew  that can be 1win and 1 Drew or also 2 win. 

the results were caused by unfortunate circumstances:

2 shoot of Willy vs barca , 1 pass wrong by Christiense.

Vs. United  from non-existent offside

 

[DDA 9,690]

People are forgetting how average our team really is. Conte done wonders against Barca. He did fuck up against United though in my opinion. 

[It's too big 625]

2 hours ago, DDA said:

People are forgetting how average our team really is. Conte done wonders against Barca. He did fuck up against United though in my opinion. 

I don't agree our team is average. We have some quality players, but the system is wrong. Moses I would agree is average, as is Cahill and Alonso. Apart from them, the rest of our team are one or all of  new to the league, young, hampered by injuries, returning from long term injury etc. I think people are expecting way too much, too soon from our new signings. The board maybe can be blamed a little, but they tried to sign the likes of Sandro, Koulibaly, Vidal, Nainggolan, Bonucci, however the chance of signing them was low because their clubs didn't want to let them go or the player didn't want to leave the club/country. It isn't like the board didn't try to sign some top quality players in previous two summer windows.

I think the tactics have gone stale and Conte has been way too stubborn to change things up. He has also been poor in cup competitions, and against a really poor Arsenal side he's been outdone by Wenger god knows how many times. Sometimes the team needs new tactics and formation to keep things interesting, but it hasn't happened. We still have a team good enough to be making top four, no matter what anybody says. Liverpool for e.g do not have a better side on paper, yet Klopp has them putting in impressive performances this season. 

[DDA 9,690]

1 hour ago, It's too big said:

I don't agree our team is average. We have some quality players, but the system is wrong. Moses I would agree is average, as is Cahill and Alonso. Apart from them, the rest of our team are one or all of  new to the league, young, hampered by injuries, returning from long term injury etc. I think people are expecting way too much, too soon from our new signings. The board maybe can be blamed a little, but they tried to sign the likes of Sandro, Koulibaly, Vidal, Nainggolan, Bonucci, however the chance of signing them was low because their clubs didn't want to let them go or the player didn't want to leave the club/country. It isn't like the board didn't try to sign some top quality players in previous two summer windows.

I think the tactics have gone stale and Conte has been way too stubborn to change things up. He has also been poor in cup competitions, and against a really poor Arsenal side he's been outdone by Wenger god knows how many times. Sometimes the team needs new tactics and formation to keep things interesting, but it hasn't happened. We still have a team good enough to be making top four, no matter what anybody says. Liverpool for e.g do not have a better side on paper, yet Klopp has them putting in impressive performances this season. 

I understand where you are coming from in terms of tactics but I can't let the list of average players stop there, new signings or not.

Drinkwater, Bakayoko, and Zappacosta should all be on that list.

 

 

 

[samzilla 517]

ugh...trying not to let recency bias affect my feelings towards conte too much right now.

[Antonio8 736]

18 hours ago, DDA said:

People are forgetting how average our team really is. Conte done wonders against Barca. He did fuck up against United though in my opinion. 

i agree with you, the team is not top quality in too many roles and lacks also from a quantitative pov. 

i think that the real mistake conte made this season is trying to compete in every competition

This squad should have lost early in Carabao cup and FA cup, and focuse on PL and Champions imho

Now need to focus on PL (best four placement is necessary) and FA cup ( i think that the stanford bridge result against barca 

is too negative to dream on a passage to quarters final, but still is possible)

[Leif 6,006]

It's only just hit me that Conte's intention's been to set us up like his Italian national side, not his Juventus side.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

23 minutes ago, Leif said:

It's only just hit me that Conte's intention's been to set us up like his Italian national side, not his Juventus side.

Not sure, but i think conte's problem this season is the fact that he keeps rotating the players and changing the formation everytime. We had average players last season, but we played the same team, same formation, week in week out. They developed chemistry together, everyone knew how their teammates behaved. This season conte hasnt managed the rotation well, that is why chelsea dont have understanding/chemistry on the pitch. 

[manpe 10,861]

4 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Not sure, but i think conte's problem this season is the fact that he keeps rotating the players and changing the formation everytime. We had average players last season, but we played the same team, same formation, week in week out. They developed chemistry together, everyone knew how their teammates behaved. This season conte hasnt managed the rotation well, that is why chelsea dont have understanding/chemistry on the pitch. 

I think he has managed rotation well. Last season there was no reason to rotate - a game once a week, no injuries, well established players and players who know what it takes to win things. This season? Midfield non-existent without Matic and with an older fatigued Fabregas, strike force toothless without Costa. Imagine him doing the same this season, no rotation, we would be even worse off imo. Just look at how our most reliable players like Azpi and Hazard perform while tired, our passengers would be even worse. If we had a good bench then nobody would make a problem out of rotation, we would still be getting results. City constantly rotate but it doesn't affect them does it? It's because their B team is about the same level as our A team, our B team would get relegated from the championship. People need to understand that this squad is just shit, you can't win by rotating or by sticking to the tried and trusted, there is no way to be taken seriously with this squad whatever way you look at it.

Conte is fine, it's the board that don't care anymore.

[Tomo 21,733]

40 minutes ago, manpe said:

I It's because their B team is about the same level as our A team, our B team would get relegated from the championship.

Bit extreme.

[manpe 10,861]

Bit extreme.

Intentional hyperbole.

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[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

5 hours ago, Leif said:

It's only just hit me that Conte's intention's been to set us up like his Italian national side, not his Juventus side.

That's because he just has to come up with a plan with what he's got.  Wish someone was of more quality?  Tough, work around it.

[Jase 43,479]

I know we are not Man City but they have been tearing through Arsenal like nothing while we only beat them ONCE in EIGHT games since last season. Really puts a bad light on Conte.

[LAM09 6,744]

If we still had Costa who fights for the team, we would have beaten Arsenal a lot of times this season including the League Emirates game. 
The reason why we failed to beat Arsenal because Morata is a very poor striker and we are overall toothless in attack.

He's been the reason a lot of games have gotten away from us in the past three months.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

18 hours ago, manpe said:

I think he has managed rotation well. Last season there was no reason to rotate - a game once a week, no injuries, well established players and players who know what it takes to win things. This season? Midfield non-existent without Matic and with an older fatigued Fabregas, strike force toothless without Costa. Imagine him doing the same this season, no rotation, we would be even worse off imo. Just look at how our most reliable players like Azpi and Hazard perform while tired, our passengers would be even worse. If we had a good bench then nobody would make a problem out of rotation, we would still be getting results. City constantly rotate but it doesn't affect them does it? It's because their B team is about the same level as our A team, our B team would get relegated from the championship. People need to understand that this squad is just shit, you can't win by rotating or by sticking to the tried and trusted, there is no way to be taken seriously with this squad whatever way you look at it.

Conte is fine, it's the board that don't care anymore.

You have a point with city rotation, but if you look closely at city's rotation, they always play with six out of this nine attacking players (sane, sterling, aguero, kdb, gundogan, silva, fernadinho, bernadosilva,) always. We on the other hand, hazard is the only constant in attack. And he's either playing in the false nine today, playing behind one striker tomorrow, or playing on the wing the next day. Morata plays today, injures tomorrow, 3-4-3 today, 3-5-2 tomorow etc We just havent had a consistent attack lineup this season and our attack has become disjointed because of it. 

[manpe 10,861]

4 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

You have a point with city rotation, but if you look closely at city's rotation, they always play with six out of this nine attacking players (sane, sterling, aguero, kdb, gundogan, silva, fernadinho, bernadosilva,) always. We on the other hand, hazard is the only constant in attack. And he's either playing in the false nine today, playing behind one striker tomorrow, or playing on the wing the next day. Morata plays today, injures tomorrow, 3-4-3 today, 3-5-2 tomorow etc We just havent had a consistent attack lineup this season and our attack has become disjointed because of it. 

True but this also comes down to the rigidness of our squad. We either lack quality or quantity so the coach is forced to work around all the issues somehow, be that with rotation or change of formation. The rotation of our attacking players bar Hazard would not be such a problem if we had better wings and midfield. Wing-backs play great role in attack and they simply MUST be quality to pin teams back and support the forwards, this is a direct failure of our board's recruitment policy. The same thing with midfield, Bakayoko and Drinkwater especially for that money, what the fuck were they thinking? Conte wanted Matic to stay and recently has stressed this again, he also pushed for quality wing-backs... Got a panic buy second summer straight, and only recently yet another injured and unfit player in Emerson. Our emergency stop-gaps (Alonso and Moses) are still starters which is baffling for a club claiming to have ambition.

Pep's and Conte's situations are different. Conte has been dealt a weak hand so he has no choice but to bluff and speculate from time to time. Not everybody might agree with all the choices he makes playing this hand trying to squeeze out maximum winnings, but the ultimate fault lies with the dealer. Pep can go all in every turn and clear the table, because every turn he has a strong combination of cards.

[Jase 43,479]

 

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

 

More fuel to the fire. Hes gonna be gone end of season isnt he? Purely based on the clubs way of taking the previous comments about transfers etc apparently they asked him why he was saying these things to the media. Hes not wrong but hes picking the wrong fight I think now after that previous talk about transfers, if I were him I'd be trying to get somebody in Emenalo's role (if we keep this set up) that he knows personally or has previously worked with to give him a triumph card if there is any chance hes gonna be here next season (although maybe somebody from the clubs past as well could be considered, but personally would that be as beneficial as somebody who is the managers guy?). Give him somebody who will also fight for the players he wants, has the same ideology and will side with him more, I don't think Roman actually sits  and butts heads with Conte directly but his advisors do/did. .