The Mourinho Thread

[didierforever 7,349]

Ah yes, we should worship the ground he walks upon for playing a £12m signing and the best defender in the academy when 3 of our only 5 senior defenders are a. suspended or b. 34 year old. Bravo Jose, such big balls.

I only spoke about Baker and Brown because he put them on the pedestal with his comments about English players. What good did Oscar, Salah and Schurrle do today? I get not starting 5 of them together but did Schurrle and Oscar justify getting the full 90? Would Salah have even come off had they not equalised? Was there such a massive need to play Solanke in the u-21 while Drogba had to slog on and on?

Ohk. So 2 of our 5 defenders are suspended. 1 is rested and jose just chose 2 youth players. Fuck him. I mean who needs a presence in defence. Lets to a united and play blacket, keane and god knows who and get are asses fucked 4-0. Brilliant.

And he definitely should not be playong a 19 year old zouma or the best academy product. I mean this is just CFC. He should probably call back pappoe and play him agaunst pool 2 weeks later. Cos now that's what we have come to.

So lets put a 17 year old solanke in the deep end of the pool. Dude, even the u-21 is a step up for him. As for salah and schurrle they deserved their 90minutes irrespective of how they played. They had to be given that minimum chance to prove and challenge for the firat team squad. But god forbid jose does anything that doea make everyone happy.

Alao he said 3-4 years. Judge him then.

[Cholo 428]

And why's he throwing his players under the bus AGAIN. That's just bad management plain and simple. number one rule of management is to accept responsibility as the leader and always protect your team in public.

OK Mr Manager. Many managers do this. He did this once after Benzema had a bad performance. After Mourinho's remarks, Benzema had a great run scoring many goals.

[Madmax 9,219]

Ohk. So 2 of our 5 defenders are suspended. 1 is rested and jose just chose 2 youth players. Fuck him. I mean who needs a presence in defence. Lets to a united and play blacket, keane and god knows who and get are asses fucked 4-0. Brilliant.

And he definitely should not be playong a 19 year old zouma or the best academy product. I mean this is just CFC. He should probably call back pappoe and play him agaunst pool 2 weeks later. Cos now that's what we have come to.

Don't try and twist this. You lamented my "embarrassing and hopeless cribbing" about youth when he'd started Zouma and Christensen. I merely pointed out that it didn't deserve credit because the suspensions had his hands tied in that matter. Excepting Ake he didn't give a single minute to anyone where he wasn't obligated to. So yeah, thanks for not running Matic into the ground, I guess.

So lets put a 17 year old solanke in the deep end of the pool. Dude, even the u-21 is a step up for him. As for salah and schurrle they deserved their 90minutes irrespective of how they played. They had to be given that minimum chance to prove and challenge for the firat team squad. But god forbid jose does anything that doea make everyone happy. Alao he said 3-4 years. Judge him then.

Mourinho said Solanke will play in the League Cup but the moment it came to backing up his words, he turned instead to playing Drogba for 180 mins in 48 hours at the age of 36. He said 3-4 years, yes, but when Baker, Brown and Solanke are not played against fourth tier opposition in the least important trophy of the season while there are 4 seniors either injured or rested, when will the (meaningful) chances start arriving? You think they'll be played in the next round? In the FA cup? In the league?

[stroey 2,525]

And why's he throwing his players under the bus AGAIN. That's just bad management plain and simple. number one rule of management is to accept responsibility as the leader and always protect your team in public.

Mou recently said in an interview that he criticize his players in public to motivate them, some players needs this. Schurrle hasn't been impressive since the start, except for 1-2 moments. So I think it's good to criticize him, he also looks like a person who needs this kind of treatment.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

Ah yes, we should worship the ground he walks upon for playing a £12m signing and the best defender in the academy when 3 of our only 5 senior defenders are a. suspended or b. 34 year old. Bravo Jose, such big balls.

I only spoke about Baker and Brown because he put them on the pedestal with his comments about English players. What good did Oscar, Salah and Schurrle do today? I get not starting 5 of them together but did Schurrle and Oscar justify getting the full 90? Would Salah have even come off had they not equalised? Was there such a massive need to play Solanke in the u-21 while Drogba had to slog on and on?

I said pre-match that I'd have been fine had we lost while giving genuine game time to Ake, Baker and the lot. Now that we are in the QF, do you think even Ake will get a game unless it's against Bournemouth? This was the chance to do it but he backtracked over his earlier comments. I'm disappointed about this and the arguments so far can't convince me otherwise.

Like you I hope to see progression from the development squad but it feels to me that I'm more patient than you are in waiting for it to happen. Even if you disagree with that, let's get our priorities straight. Promoting youth products is not an end in itself. If we are able to discover, develop and eventually select young players who contribute to our success then fine but the real aim is to have a strong team which is as competitive as possible across all competitions.

Your perspective seems to be to take the long term view; to place the emphasis on giving opportunities to young players in what, by common consent, is a junior competition, and not just on winning. I'm sure you'd argue that this would lead to us having a stronger and even more competitive squad down the line. Well that view is reasonable enough but I don't share it. I don't particularly agree that developing home grown talent is a route to competitiveness at the very top of the game and, even if I'm wrong about that, I don't want to put potential silverware at risk in order to pursue that policy.

I enjoyed seeing Ake and Christensen play last night but their presence would have been no consolation to me if we had lost. In this sense, I want to have my cake and to eat it too. I want kids selected but I'm not prepared to sacrifice the win in order to see it happen. If I can't win with kids then I'd rather play without them. The question then becomes who is to make the decision about which kids to use and when to use them. Here again there seems to be disagreement between us. You appear to have your doubts but I have no doubt whatsoever; Jose is the man I want in charge of our team. One hundred percent.

I've been supporting this club for longer than most users of this forum have been alive, and for longer than their dads have been alive in some cases I'm sure. In all that time, JM, for all his faults, is the only boss to whom I feel a personal allegiance. I believe he is getting it right. We were, in my opinion, a million miles away from where we wanted to be when he returned. Fixing that was never going to be possible in one or two years. Even if we win something this season, the squad still requires upgrading. I'll be ecstatic if those upgrades come out of Cobham but if we have to buy them then so be it. Either way, Jose is the man I want to see making those decisions.

[Fernando 6,585]

Mou recently said in an interview that he criticize his players in public to motivate them, some players needs this. Schurrle hasn't been impressive since the start, except for 1-2 moments. So I think it's good to criticize him, he also looks like a person who needs this kind of treatment.

Yeah I feel the same way but it can also go the other way around.

Your player can get some resentment towards you.

It's a risk, but I think it's all about the personality of the person.

[stroey 2,525]

Yeah I feel the same way but it can also go the other way around.

Your player can get some resentment towards you.

It's a risk, but I think it's all about the personality of the person.

Yeps, an old player (I guess Zlatan?) recently said that Mou is the smartest manager in the business because he treats/motivates everyone in a different way. I remember a quote in his book" I scored the goal of the season and couldn't catch a smile on the face of Jose, so I knew I had to do more to convince him."

He motivates every person in a different way. For example, Ramires/Oscar are very shy/introvert persons (from what I've heard), that's why Mou have not criticized them in public. Schurrle looks like that kind of person with a small ego and a little bit extrovert (based on his social media). He might need these hard words to perform better.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

It is just me, or anyone feels the previous page is very long, I have to scroll down like crazy to reach the bottom.

But hey we are in the new page

[yipo 56]

Maybe we should hire van gaal next as our manger, i heard he is tactical genius and play academy player.

[chelseafc9010 224]

Who has Jose been critizising? Anyone got quotes?

[Shakez 755]

Who has Jose been critizising? Anyone got quotes?

Mourinho said he was disappointed by certain performers and knew his team to face Queens Park Rangers at the weekend, adding: ‘If players that played 90 minutes two days ago were fantastic, I expect people who are not playing a lot to raise the level to create me problems.

‘I love problems of choices, and it is easy to choose my team for Saturday.’

Asked specifically if Salah and Schurrle had disappointed him, Mourinho replied: ‘Yes.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2811737/Jose-Mourinho-hails-Chelsea-s-fringe-stars-narrow-2-1-win.html

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

There's an element of risk whatever you do.

We press high and go for the second then Matic or Cesc lose it in the centre mid or worse do a Gerrard? goalscoring opportunity right there.

Speaking of Gerrard, Brendan needed a draw against us and the title was in his hands with two games left, he decided to attack us and play high up, a decision that cost him the title.

Sometimes sitting on a lead will work sometimes it won't, Arsenal were starting to build momentum at The Bridge, Jose brings on Mikel and that is that. Even yesterday it served it's purpose as United created next to nothing until the late free kick.

If there was a "right way" to defend a one goal advantage every manager would use it and 99 percent of games would end 0-0 or 1-0. Go for a second or hold what you have? neither approach is bulletproof, both can and do backfire and when they do it usually ends with the manager criticised for not taking the other approach.

And the thing that is even more baffling is the amount of people who fail to acknowledge that we actually had an opponent in front of us, one with their own ambitions. They didn't give up and were rewarded.

[chelseafc9010 224]

Mourinho said he was disappointed by certain performers and knew his team to face Queens Park Rangers at the weekend, adding: ‘If players that played 90 minutes two days ago were fantastic, I expect people who are not playing a lot to raise the level to create me problems.

‘I love problems of choices, and it is easy to choose my team for Saturday.’

Asked specifically if Salah and Schurrle had disappointed him, Mourinho replied: ‘Yes.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2811737/Jose-Mourinho-hails-Chelsea-s-fringe-stars-narrow-2-1-win.html

To be honest it's not harsh, it's true, hopefully it will light a spark in them to do better, especially Salah.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Respect? Of course but quite a deluded post and I'd like to make a bet right now that in the later stages of the CL/season, but especially the CL its going to cost us, again.

If you actually think we had a team capable of winning the champions league playing expansive football you're the one who is deluded. We didn't even have a striker let alone a proper midfield! We got there because we were able to absorb pressure... Where do you guys get this stuff from?

And how do you place a bet that a style of play is going to cost us? Is that a new wager on Bet365 I don't know about? LOL

[Viper22 2,418]

Mourinho said he was disappointed by certain performers and knew his team to face Queens Park Rangers at the weekend, adding: ‘If players that played 90 minutes two days ago were fantastic, I expect people who are not playing a lot to raise the level to create me problems.

‘I love problems of choices, and it is easy to choose my team for Saturday.’

Asked specifically if Salah and Schurrle had disappointed him, Mourinho replied: ‘Yes.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2811737/Jose-Mourinho-hails-Chelsea-s-fringe-stars-narrow-2-1-win.html

It's not like he sought out Salah and Schurrle to criticise them then. He was asked a simple question and told the truth. Disappointed is an understatement for how they performed yesterday tbh.

[Viper22 2,418]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/france/11194012/Former-France-coach-Raymond-Domenech-mocks-Jose-Mourinhos-inflated-opinion-of-himself.html

Essentially calls Jose a translator with an inflated opinion of himself.

What a bitter nobody.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Like you I hope to see progression from the development squad but it feels to me that I'm more patient than you are in waiting for it to happen. Even if you disagree with that, let's get our priorities straight. Promoting youth products is not an end in itself. If we are able to discover, develop and then select young players to contribute to our success then fine but the real aim is to have a strong team which is as competitive as possible across all competitions.

Your perspective seems to be to take the long term view; to place the emphasis on giving opportunities to young players in what, by common consent, is a junior competition, and not just on winning. I'm sure you'd argue that this would lead to us having a stronger and even more competitive squad down the line. Well that view is reasonable enough but I don't share it. I don't particularly agree that developing home grown talent is a route to competitiveness at the very top of the game and, even if I'm wrong about that, I don't want to put potential silverware at risk in order to pursue that policy.

I enjoyed seeing Ake and Christensen play last night but it would have been no consolation to me if we had lost. In this sense, I want to have my cake and to eat it too. I want kids selected but I want to win. If I can't win with kids then I'd rather win without them. The question then becomes who is to make the decision about which kids to use and when to use them. Here again there seems to be disagreement between us. You seem to have your doubts but I have no doubt whatsoever; Jose is the man I want in charge of our team. One hundred percent.

I've been supporting this club for longer than most users of this forum have been alive, and for longer than their dads have been alive in some cases I'm sure. In all that time, JM, for all his faults, is the only boss to whom I've had any allegiance. I believe he is getting it right. We were, in my opinion, a million miles away from where we wanted to be when he returned. Fixing that was never going to be possible in one or two years. Even if we win something this season, the squad still requires upgrading. I'll be ecstatic if those upgrades come out of Cobham but if we have to buy them then so be it. Jose is the man I want to see making those decisions.

So well said. 100% agreement on everything here.

[Cholo 428]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/france/11194012/Former-France-coach-Raymond-Domenech-mocks-Jose-Mourinhos-inflated-opinion-of-himself.html

Essentially calls Jose a translator with an inflated opinion of himself.

What a bitter nobody.

Domenech is being torn up in German and French media. Such a bitter loser. He is hated by his players, hated by his country, hated by his fellow countrymen. How low can you go?

[didierforever 7,349]

Don't try and twist this. You lamented my "embarrassing and hopeless cribbing" about youth when he'd started Zouma and Christensen. I merely pointed out that it didn't deserve credit because the suspensions had his hands tied in that matter. Excepting Ake he didn't give a single minute to anyone where he wasn't obligated to. So yeah, thanks for not running Matic into the ground, I guess.

Mourinho said Solanke will play in the League Cup but the moment it came to backing up his words, he turned instead to playing Drogba for 180 mins in 48 hours at the age of 36. He said 3-4 years, yes, but when Baker, Brown and Solanke are not played against fourth tier opposition in the least important trophy of the season while there are 4 seniors either injured or rested, when will the (meaningful) chances start arriving? You think they'll be played in the next round? In the FA cup? In the league?

Why was he obliged to play christsen? Did JT retire from league games? lol. jose chose to play christensen. He dint have to. Jose chose to play ake, he dint have to. So yes, you should be thankful to him. And hence is bloddy embarassing that u r still cribbing.

As for solanke, he dint make the first team squad for yeaterday, brown did. Thats what jose thinks of his readiness to start for a club like chelsea. For heaven'sake we are talking about one of the biggest clubs in europe with the pressure to win any and all silverware and if our manager thinks that some 17 year old doea not have it in hin to start for us, I am not gonna second guess him. As for when will the chances start arriving, when they are ready. Baker is our 6th AM/6th DM. when cesc, matic, hazard and willian are rested it still leaves us with the likes of mikel, schurrle and salah who deserve to start the league cup games to show their worth. We have a massive squad with good fringe players who deserve their oppurtunity. As for baker, he would have started yesterday if jose had thought he was better than ake, which makes him the 6th choice DM. As for brown, I don't think he was even named in the first team squad at the start of the season. And lastly, how did jose playing a 36 year old for 180 minutes in 48 hours pan out? Pretty well I would say

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Mourinho said Solanke will play in the League Cup

I'm not really sure, but didn't Solanke play for the U-21's a day or so back? Atleast I was told so. If so, I'm pretty sure that was the reason behind not starting him. If we could start Christensen, Solanke could have started too.