Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 This has also been costing us and why we can't set up shop. We need defenders like Ramos. I for one would like to try the experiment of moving azpi to cb. Mourinho did it with Ramos at Madrid and that was amazing why not here?I don't think you can get away with having a CB that can't win headers in the PL. I'm guessing that's partly the reason Jose is trying to develop Zouma since Christensen and Kalas are both lightweight compared to your typical EPL centre-back. We need guys like Varane, Benatia, Boateng etc. Tbh, there is a huge dearth of top class CBs nowadays. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Off topic from the current discussion:I think to go the next level we need to prioritize buying or bringing through CBs who are reasonably quick and good on the ball. This is a controversial opinion but I think our CBs are holding back the full potential of this team.I'm not saying they are bad, Terry and Cahill have been fantastic and Zouma is a great talent but I don't think they fit the playing style Jose really wants. Our CBs don't complement our defensive philosophy of high pressing. It's honestly a huge testament to the players and the coaching staff how good they've made it work. A more competent CB pairing will help considerably in controlling games and further improve our pressing because it's almost stupid to be pressing high with a medium to low defensive block. You're forced to ask the midfielders to cover a lot of ground.A quicker and CB pairing better on the ball will improve our pressing considerably considering we'd be able to play a high line and it would improve our ball possession considerably as well. We severely lack a CB that could bring the ball out of defence, especially when teams try to congest the midfield and man mark Cesc.If Mourinho wanted a certain playing style/type of player he would almost certainly have it. This is the team Jose wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I don't think you can get away with having a CB that can't win headers in the PL. I'm guessing that's partly the reason Jose is trying to develop Zouma since Christensen and Kalas are both lightweight compared to your typical EPL centre-back.We need guys like Varane, Benatia, Boateng etc. Tbh, there is a huge dearth of top class CBs nowadays.Christensen is lightweight now but he's not a small player and will put on size as he gets older. He's listed at 6'2.Technically he is exactly what you're talking about, his ability to pass and bring the ball out is superb. Bir_CFC and The Chels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Pep is one stressed out MofoNotice how he tried to put his hands on the female official while trying to complain about an incident. You don't usually see managers doing that when they are moaning about something to the officials on the sideline. darrus and Chelsea? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodZola 630 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 So what would you have done, genius? We had the youngest bench we've had in years, all three of our DM's were on yellows and our only options off the bench were schurrle(who came on) and salah(who wouldn't offer anything in defending) guys were clearly tired and we lacked the presence on the bench to change them and keep the same approach.Look Sherlock, I've already given a clear explanation of 'what I would of done' but again you don't seem to have the ability to read, however to reply to the rest of your post, if anyone 'was tired' then that would of been Drogba at 36 who has had very little 'game time' if Oscar was tired which I certainly didn't see it, then bring on Schurrle as virtually like for like to keep the momentum we had where we were totally 'controlling' the game. I could understand the change if we were playing a class side where we were going to be up against it like Real, Bayern or poss Barca but playing a team that is clearly lacking in confidence who have had the worst start for 20 odd years and were very much second best at the point were José made the change was asking for trouble...........oh yeah that's right we conceded!!! If we did not have 'the presence on the bench' as you put it then why the fuck change it?! chelseafc9010 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Not been around a lot here, but I'm pretty sure that there is a bit of negativity around here as usual.The red card cost us, not the part where we decided to defend our way out of the game after going a goal up. If Ivanovic stayed, we would never have had to reorganize. That's the problem with modern zonal and man marking. If we stuck to the theoretical man-marking, we could easily have replaced Iva's cover with a specific player. That does not happen in today's scenario, and that cost us. Lack of time to re-organize and the amount of built up tension.It's understandable to go out and score another goal, but psychologically, United always wanted to win this more than us. We just can't help that. They played pretty good and it shows that they've been been playing without heart for quite a long time. Hopefully this win gives them the confidence to go on and beat City.Once again if that silly red card didn't occur, RVP wouldn't be banging in that goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 These two screenshots may be interesting..... stroey, Amblève., The Skipper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 We had basically a full squad against Shalke and City and did the same genius.No it wasn't! Our "defensive" substitutions were not made at 65 against either team. They were made when we needed to tighten up and look to hit them on the break. You guys act as if footballers are robots, like fatigue, both physical and mental aren't things that you need to account for in the management of games. We drew city away and utd away, at city perhaps would've been better to be more attacking since they were reduced to a man but utd had no control of the game and we had multiple yellows. You guys keep ignoring the simple facts of the game in favour of the football manager-like ridiculous suggestions. What smart manager in their right mind, up a goal on the road with six yellows is not gonna sub one of the at risk players for another player in a similar position? This is simple X's and O's fellas. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 These two screenshots may be interesting.....That says it all really. Jose needs to understand that this team isn't built to defend a lead against top teams despite our strong defense. It's not like the 2004-05 /2005-06 teams. We have too many flair, technically gifted players who aren't used to sitting back and holding a lead. Hazard, Willian, Fabregas, Oscar even. You could say we were unlucky with the foul vs Man United, but against City, no way we should have been defending deep when they had only 10 men. In the 2nd half vs Arsenal, we also sat back at home and waited on the counter, but they didn't have the quality to score against us. Jose needs to show he can make the team more proactive when we have the lead vs the top sides. Real Madrid vs Liverpool didn't sit back vs Barcelona until the final 10 mins and that was with a 2 goal cushion. Against Liverpool, they kept on trying to score more goals.I think this is a very fair and legitimate criticism of some of Mourinho's tactics. xPetrCechx and The Chels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 These two screenshots may be interesting.....26% possession against a team with 10 men no less. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Cholo 428 Posted October 27, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted October 27, 2014 Guardiola is a bitch who let his friend fucking die from cancer without any help. A disgusting personality. He ignored the help letter from a player in Qatar. He fucked up his relation with players like Mandzukic, Ibrahimovic, Yaya Toure, Eto'o who altogether curse him till today. Bald fked up hypocrite he is. xPetrCechx, Nero, stroey and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Fernando 6,743 Posted October 27, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted October 27, 2014 Guardiola is a bitch who let his friend fucking die from cancer without any help. A disgusting personality. He ignored the help letter from a player in Qatar. He fucked up his relation with players like Mandzukic, Ibrahimovic, Yaya Toure, Eto'o who altogether curse him till today. Bald fked up hypocrite he is. I find your post very offensive. Barbara, iseah100, chelseafc9010 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseafc9010 224 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 No it wasn't! Our "defensive" substitutions were not made at 65 against either team. They were made when we needed to tighten up and look to hit them on the break. You guys act as if footballers are robots, like fatigue, both physical and mental aren't things that you need to account for in the management of games.We drew city away and utd away, at city perhaps would've been better to be more attacking since they were reduced to a man but utd had no control of the game and we had multiple yellows. You guys keep ignoring the simple facts of the game in favour of the football manager-like ridiculous suggestions.What smart manager in their right mind, up a goal on the road with six yellows is not gonna sub one of the at risk players for another player in a similar position?This is simple X's and O's fellas.Nevermind.. you miss the point. GodZola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Look Sherlock, I've already given a clear explanation of 'what I would of done' but again you don't seem to have the ability to read, however to reply to the rest of your post, if anyone 'was tired' then that would of been Drogba at 36 who has had very little 'game time' if Oscar was tired which I certainly didn't see it, then bring on Schurrle as virtually like for like to keep the momentum we had where we were totally 'controlling' the game. I could understand the change if we were playing a class side where we were going to be up against it like Real, Bayern or poss Barca but playing a team that is clearly lacking in confidence who have had the worst start for 20 odd years and were very much second best at the point were José made the change was asking for trouble...........oh yeah that's right we conceded!!! If we did not have 'the presence on the bench' as you put it then why the fuck change it?!This is becoming so asinine... mainly because you only comprehend one side of the story. Let me see if I can try and break it down into simple terms.We had one recognized striker, he happens to be the only one who is adept at winning headers should we need to defend a set piece... Drogba. If we needed an outlet ball who are we using as a target man, Schurrle? LOL... We had 3 CM's on yellows, when you think of which position is most at risk do you think striker or CM? When you look at the bench and you see a bunch of kids and one experienced big game CM what is the logical decision, leave all of our at risk CM's on or take one off for one of the only players we had on the bench with experience? hmmmm... I know what a smart manager would do where do you fall?We made the sub because of the yellows and because the guys were looking knackered. One tired challenge and its red... His hand was forced.DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW??? I Somehow doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Nevermind.. you miss the point.There is no point dude I'm merely stating the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseafc9010 224 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 There is no point dude I'm merely stating the facts.About what? We are discussing about Jose's tactics after going a goal up, and your here rambling on about players being robots and stuff, I see no arguments or stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 About what? We are discussing about Jose's tactics after going a goal up, and your here rambling on about players being robots and stuff, I see no arguments or stats.you're making blanket statements about the tactics like every situation is exactly the same. Each one has its own unique properties... but go on with your 'paint by numbers' analytics... its really clever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 This is becoming so asinine... mainly because you and only comprehend on side of the story. Let me see if I can try and break it down into simple terms.We had one recognized striker, he happens to be the only one who is adept at winning headers should we need to defend a set piece... Drogba. If we needed an outlet ball who are we using as a target man, Schurrle? LOL... We had 3 CM's on yellows, when you think of which position is most at risk do you think striker or CM? When you look at the bench and you see a bunch of kids and one experienced big game CM what is the logical decision, leave all of our at risk CM's on or take one off for one of the only players we had on the bench with experience? hmmmm... I know what a smart manager would do where do you fall?We made the sub because of the yellows and because the guys were looking knackered. One tired challenge and its red... His hand was forced.DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW??? I Somehow doubt it.Right... And how about against 10-man City? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Right... And how about against 10-man City?did we have any control of the city match at any time? whether it was 11v11 or 11v10? City were simply better than us on the day. We were able to get a goal up on the red but other than that its not like we had any control of the match. Am I right in saying that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Monday Night Football analysis: Gary Neville says Chelsea need killer instinct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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