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We won the Champions League all the other titles are minor and a lot less important. And everyone knows how CHelsea won the Champions League... God helped a lot.

There is a difference between Champions League/Premiere League and all the other competitions.

And what really measures the quality of a team in the big football countries is the League. For example Liverpool won the CHampions and at that time Chelsea was by far the best team in the country and maybe in the world. Chelsea won the Champions League and was 6th in the League.

Winning is important, but you can't compare Europa League or a minor cup with the Premiere League.

I'm saying that in the last couple of years that you could call being in a transition we were still winning trophies, and its my frim belief that this team (compared to the others) should be able to win the title this season.

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I'm saying that in the last couple of years that you could call being in a transition we were still winning trophies, and its my frim belief that this team (compared to the others) should be able to win the title this season.

The Cup's are a lottery and shouldn't really be used as a barometer of club progress, like for example in 2012 when we won the FA Cup and CL, was great yes and i reveled in Munich all summer, but on the other hand that 6th place finish eat away at me. Most teams, even the crap one's, win atleast 10-12 games a season in all comps, like with Wigan last season, 6 of them could fall on FA Cup week and they get the cup.

I will make my own assessment on the league, if we say finish 2nd but take the Champions to the last day, with more and more games like today and Liverpool as the season goes on, i would go into the close season feeling a lot better about where we are heading than i did in 2012 (even if we win nothing this season compared to 2 knockout cup's in 2012).

But you are right in the fact that the phrase 'transition' is wearing a bit thin, we still are technically, but we are in the late stages of it, so we should still have enough to challenge, at the very least.

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:clap: :clap: @barbara

Exactly. Mourinho changed everything our former managers were doing. We want to be good on the ball and off the ball.

If we get more clinical and cut off set piece mistakes, I see us in the future playing as good as madrid 2012 league winners team or bayern munich of last season.

Constant pressing, speed, dribbling and clinical finishing. We will be so hard to beat in the future it will be unreal.

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So Barbara what system of a team you think he wants to implement?

You mentioned real Madrid and inter, but to me it looks like he is using dortmund as a template.

And that was my favorite, better then Tiki taka.

That for me was complete futbol, as they can play different system for different opponents.

Not like Barcelona that go shit when they get pressured.

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So Barbara what system of a team you think he wants to implement?

You mentioned real Madrid and inter, but to me it looks like he is using dortmund as a template.

And that was my favorite, better then Tiki taka.

That for me was complete futbol, as they can play different system for different opponents.

Not like Barcelona that go shit when they get pressured.

On their day yes but often it doesn't work and relentless pressing means lot of the players are injured, it is good pressing but Dortmund is just doing it way too much and facing problems as the result

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So Barbara what system of a team you think he wants to implement?

You mentioned real Madrid and inter, but to me it looks like he is using dortmund as a template.

And that was my favorite, better then Tiki taka.

That for me was complete futbol, as they can play different system for different opponents.

Not like Barcelona that go shit when they get pressured.

Yeah, I think a bit from Inter, more from Madrid, but not a carbon copy of either. Dortmund exposed some of RM's weaknesses and Mourinho is aware of that (although the first SF leg was a combination of an ineffective system, but also players not turning up at all) and I guess that's why we aren't exclusively a counter-attack system. I mean neither is RM, but I feel we work the ball much more comfortably than they do. They prefer countering than building up, I don't think we do. We're comfortable doing both, maybe even more building (giving the players we have in Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Mata, Schurrle, KDB. The only ones I do feel are counter-attack players are Schurrle and in a lesser extent Hazard). The one thing we don't have that Inter and RM had though is a strong pivot. Khedira/Alonso and Cambiaso/Motta/Chivu (especially the latter) are a much better pivot than any combination we currently have. I'm positive one of the two clinical signings Mourinho said we'd have during the summer include a top CM he'll probably 'steal' from one of the Champions League teams, otherwise he'd sign them now. The same applies to the striker. He worded his sentence in such a way about the two signings he thinks we still need to make me believe those guys are currently playing Champions League and why invest a lot of money in a player that won't be part of the most important tournament we currently play (although I like EPL more and that's very important too).

It does resemble Dortmund as you said, but I don't think quite either because 1) they're faster and more urgent 2) they have Lewa, and Mourinho knows having a lethal striker is a vital part of Klopp's system. They attack fast and intensely because they know Lewa will get the ball in. But you're right and maybe the final product is a Dortmund style. To be honest, I haven't watched Dortmund that much as I'm really not a Bundesliga fan yet, but the few matches I've watched it was from them in UCL and BL.

As I said I think it's high pressing (high both in quantity as the zone in the pitch where the pressing is done), attack-based (building or counter-attacking) with a solid defense. Such combination of things will allow us to play without dominating possession, although against some sides we will dominate it (just like Madrid did). It's almost like describing Dortmund, but I don't think we are as urgent as they are. They're faster imo, more objective, but then again this is German football we're talking about, so saying that is almost redundancy. Still I think that's the difference, although there's some urgency when we have the ball, it's not as much as Dortmund. Complete football as you put it.

We could be wrong about it, but all signs show that direction imo.

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So Barbara what system of a team you think he wants to implement?

You mentioned real Madrid and inter, but to me it looks like he is using dortmund as a template.

And that was my favorite, better then Tiki taka.

That for me was complete futbol, as they can play different system for different opponents.

Not like Barcelona that go shit when they get pressured.

Dortmund concede way too much goals. We can't afford that since we are not as clinical as them in attack. We would be like bayern last season or madrid 2012

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If Jose says he wants to stay for 12 years ,why not? the club should be doing everything to make sure that this time it is long term,

I think he has found home this time and he and his family obviously love London,all this firing managers after a bad season or a Champions League exit needs to end and long term trust needs to be given to Mourinho as his heart is in Chelsea and even thinking about replacing him for anyone else will be a backwards step and could lead to several seasons of turmoil.

We were very lucky he agreed to come back after the nonsense he put up with last time .

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