The Mourinho Thread

[kmk108 1,186]

I just don't see how we 'were' the better team?

The Spuds created more clear cut chances and were in control of the game.

The minute Mason went off they looked poor, if he'd stayed on, they might have got something from the game.

Yes we looked better than our previous games, but that's not saying much is it?

I just don't see a turnaround it's a tiny evolution, not a revolution.

We definitely should have signed Klopp - that will be a huge mistake

You won't get a revolution. You'll get more tiny evolutions. 40%-50%-60%-70%-80% and so on until everything is back to form. We'll start seeing a loss turn into a draw and a draw turning into a win here and there, until we're back to seeing the regular wins.

[Tomo 21,751]

I just don't see how we 'were' the better team?

The Spuds created more clear cut chances and were in control of the game.

The minute Mason went off they looked poor, if he'd stayed on, they might have got something from the game.

Yes we looked better than our previous games, but that's not saying much is it?

I just don't see a turnaround it's a tiny evolution, not a revolution.

We definitely should have signed Klopp - that will be a huge mistake

There's a difference between controlling possession and controlling the game.

Spurs showed no urgency to counter attack whatsoever, we did.

[Muzchap 8,966]

There's a difference between controlling possession and controlling the game.

Spurs showed no urgency to counter attack whatsoever, we did.

Spurs counter attack?

For them to 'counter attack' that would require us to 'attack'

They were attacking and we were trying to counter. 11 men behind the ball whenever Spurs had it.

I guess I just see the game differently and if this is called 'progress' then I'm devastated as we are truly in a dark place.

[Muzchap 8,966]

You won't get a revolution. You'll get more tiny evolutions. 40%-50%-60%-70%-80% and so on until everything is back to form. We'll start seeing a loss turn into a draw and a draw turning into a win here and there, until we're back to seeing the regular wins.

Yeah that's my point and how long will that take? 1 year?, 2 years? More?

So we're basically back in 'transition'

Great - looking forward to the remainder of the season....

[Adnane 1,101]

Yeah that's my point and how long will that take? 1 year?, 2 years? More?

A few weeks/months.

We are already harder to beat and collecting clean sheets on the road, we are two-three weeks late in our recovery schedule as we had a couple of unfortunate games ( Stoke, West Ham ), but we're getting there in a really important phase.

As José said, wouldn't be surprised to see the team unbeaten in the next 10 if we are as solid as yesterday.

In our next 5, we have 3 home PL games, Bournemouth, Sunderland and Watford, 1 away PL game at Leicester and 1 tie breaker at home against Porto, I think this serie could do wonders to our confidence.

[Adnane 1,101]

And Thibaut is back, he should help us organize our defense better, and pull off a few miracle saves here and there to boost us.

I, personnally, wouldn't be surprised to see us challenging for the title in the last 5 or 6 games, it looks crazy but it isn't if we recover our normal form ( which we are ), given that all the big teams are dropping points.

[didierforever 7,349]

Mata was a great player at Chelsea, but not under Mourinho.

At first you will say it's Mouinho's fault, but at United he couldn't perform either, at least for quite some time.

Even nowadays he's very inconsistent and that's not only because of different tasks, Van Gaal also doesn't rate him that highly.

The departure of Mata was the right thing to do, sadly (imo).

Back in the day Mata was a great number 10, better than Cesc is nowadays. I have to agree with you.

Your understanding of the abilites one player should have as a number 10, 8 or 6 is quite right imo.

For me 28 years of age aren't too old, i think a midfielder has to perform till his mid thirties, at least i expected it from Fabregas.

Boy, was i wrong, lol.

But claiming that buying a 28 year old player is short-term thinking is for me over the top.

Has Fabregas really de-stabilize every team he has ever played for?

Do you think that he made Arsenal weaker during his spell?

I don't think so, but if it's your opinion, so be it.

After the sell of David Luiz, a guy like Javi Martinez should have been bought, i don't think that Mourinho would have been against it.

It's like the member Oscar on here said, we never ever replaced David Luiz, that's the big problem.

mata was not a great player under jose cos he was played as a RW. mata never got the protection of matic. my first impression when matic was bought was "awesome, now jose can play mata without worrying about his no.10 having to be "defensive"".

but we went out and sold him, instead. THAT is a thing that will always be my biggest problem.

maybe i am biased but yes, i think cesc does a brilliant job of de-stabilizing teams. that arsenal team was a joke defensively. look at barca with cesc in his 3 years and look at them now. look at us.

totally agree about this. luiz as a midfielder needed to be replaced. replacing a big game defensive midfielder and a massive character with literally no one was also a massive mistake.

After participating in a pre-season Oscar would become a better -and more consistent player, i never ever bought the hype,

yes hoped for, but that's it.

I often questioned his abilities, but mate, claiming he is bang average is a bit over the line i think.

A fully fit and in the right mood Oscar is a very good player imo; he is all over the pitch, quite intelligent whether with or off the ball,

he has got vision, knows to pass and his shooting ability is fuckin' great.

Thanks to some incomprehensible reasons he can't do it consistently what is a real shame.

Maybe at the end of the season it's better to part ways, for Chelsea and for Oscar, because something is holding him back,

elsewhere he can live up to his potential and i wish him that, he's not doing this shit on purpose, can't believe it.

how often does that happen? even hatim ben arfa plays a couple of world class games in a season. just like yesterday's performance, i just dont see how exactly would we lose anything if we sold oscar and replaced him with RLC/musonda. what exactly does he brings or did he ever bring to the team that people thought he was a world class potential talent?

also, i can agree to many things but i will never agree to oscar's passing. almost as bad as rambo. his only saving grace is that he can score goals and that he USED to tackle around. last time i saw him put in his trade mark oscar-ish tackle was well, i dont know. i cant go that further back in time.

not saying he is doing it on purpose. simply think, he is just is not that good.

I feel a lot of anger towards Mourinho and i think for some of the things you can held him responsible.

I have read a lot about this imagination of playing Lukaku, De Bruyne, Luiz, Betrand and some of the goners.

Maybe there would have been some massacres, but consistently?

We never know, maybe, maybe not.

Before Mourinho's second spell, Chelsea was playing offensively, "mazacar" destroyed some teams,

but the league was out of reach.

Mourinho changed some things, the team has been a lot more compact till this season and guys like Matic or Willian have been added to the team, these dudes aren't that bad, are they?

Terry and Cahill haven't been up for the required standard this season, that's clear, so a possible combination of Zouma and Stones could have happened. You never know.

Maybe Stones would have played as a right back instead of Ivanovic, in my view that would have been a lot better.

Jose likes having a rather small squad, but filled with good players who can play in more than one position.

I think 2-3 players should have been added, Mourinho himself said he gave his letter of recommendation to the board early after the Championship last season.

Yes, i think he only wanted top-notch guys like Pogba, Stones and Griezmann, here we could have an endless discussion,

whether one should wait or go for a lower class (no disrespect meant).

Is Jose Mourinho really that incompetent when we're speaking about his rotation abilities?

How did he manage the Benzema and Higuain situation at Real Madrid?

I agree with you that Mourinho should have used a guy like Filipe Luis more often, but i'm sorry, it isn't always been this way.

Long story short: i agree with you that Jose made some mistakes, but for me that's human.

Every Chelsea manager in the past was far from perfect, failures are what makes you human.

I have read that Granovskaia speaks highly of Jose Mourinho in front of Abramovich, she knows that the blame has to be shared within the club.

We have to agree to disagree on some points, others we can agree on.

Could have been worse, friend.

i dont think its "imagination". its not just one person we are talking about. its not just mata or kdb. lets look at the list of players that have left us simply cause of playing time:

mata, kdb, lukaku, bertrand, salah, luis. look at what he is doing to remy. it cant always be the other person's fault. i would rather blame one person than think alll the other 8-10 players are the wrong party.

fair enough on the benzema-higuain point, but in his 2 and half years here, his rotation has been dreadful. absolutely shocking. infact that rotation is the key reason why we have lost some top players.

i dont think greizemann was even on our list. we needed a RW (pedro). antoine is a second striker/striker. would not have made any sense.

i did not want stones cause i still think there is no way jose would have dropped GC and JT. my suspicions were confirmed with the way he handled the ivanovic situation.

also, who is to blame for the stones situation. who made the deal public? who called everton "a small club" and made everton dig in their heels and tell us to get lost. now, i dont think we can get stones for even 50mil. but i still think stones was not necessary.

as for pogba/CM, here i have to say that we dropped the ball. anyone remotely related to the club knew we needed a midfielder. an upgrade to mikel and ramires or atleast one of them. a player who can easily replace cesc for big games. why did not we go for cabaye/schneiderlein/wanyama/imbula/kondogbia. i mean the amount of options available in this window were immense and we missed out on all of them.

[Tomo 21,751]

Spurs counter attack?

For them to 'counter attack' that would require us to 'attack'

They were attacking and we were trying to counter. 11 men behind the ball whenever Spurs had it.

I guess I just see the game differently and if this is called 'progress' then I'm devastated as we are truly in a dark place.

They had numerous chances in the game to break at us with pace but blew it by slowing the game down and letting us reorganize, in fact they had a last second free kick and a great chance to ping it in the box and see what happens but what do they do? Pass it back to the defense.

We maybe could have been a little more adventurous given our position in the table, but let's not pretend Spurs were going all out to win this because they were just as happy with the point if not more.

[Muzchap 8,966]

They had numerous chances in the game to break at us with pace but blew it by slowing the game down and letting us reorganize, in fact they had a last second free kick and a great chance to ping it in the box and see what happens but what do they do? Pass it back to the defense.

We maybe could have been a little more adventurous given our position in the table, but let's not pretend Spurs were going all out to win this because they were just as happy with the point if not more.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread - I think our 11 men behind the ball confused them massively, they just didn't know what to do.

If we could 'actually' counter with precision we might have won the game.

That's the biggest problem though - we just rarely look like scoring

I think if Remy was available it might have been a little different, but Diego definitely wouldn't have worked as he has no pace, unless he could give and go and then make it into the box...

The problem with our approach is against teams where we need to win (and let's face it, we need to win a lot of games) - we do need the ability to be able to change from containment counter-attack, to containment + attacking

I'm not sure we have the personnel for the above - RLC would be a good start next to Matic, but that looks unlikely this year. I think we also need to drop Ivanovic, he made a few errors, but it's mostly his inability to attack as team - it means we only ever play down the left and that's easy to defend against.

If Baba won't play, then we need a RB and a decent forward, or a better option for Cesc as he is good, but just not athletic enough in the No 10 role and too weak for the Pivot.

[Tomo 21,751]

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread - I think our 11 men behind the ball confused them massively, they just didn't know what to do.

If we could 'actually' counter with precision we might have won the game.

That's the biggest problem though - we just rarely look like scoring

I think if Remy was available it might have been a little different, but Diego definitely wouldn't have worked as he has no pace, unless he could give and go and then make it into the box...

The problem with our approach is against teams where we need to win (and let's face it, we need to win a lot of games) - we do need the ability to be able to change from containment counter-attack, to containment + attacking

I'm not sure we have the personnel for the above - RLC would be a good start next to Matic, but that looks unlikely this year. I think we also need to drop Ivanovic, he made a few errors, but it's mostly his inability to attack as team - it means we only ever play down the left and that's easy to defend against.

If Baba won't play, then we need a RB and a decent forward, or a better option for Cesc as he is good, but just not athletic enough in the No 10 role and too weak for the Pivot.

That's the thing, when they had the chance we didn't have 11 men behind the ball, there lack of urgency allowed us to regroup.

Remy wouldn't have made much difference, we were struggling with our decision making in the final 3rd and Remy would have made that worse.

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

I see the NO vote on 'Should he be sacked?' creeps up every day.

People seeing sense.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

I see the NO vote on 'Should he be sacked?' creeps up every day.People seeing sense.

it will get so far, then another reason to restart it again will crop up ;-)

[Henrique 9,133]

Spurs counter attack?

For them to 'counter attack' that would require us to 'attack'

They were attacking and we were trying to counter. 11 men behind the ball whenever Spurs had it.

I guess I just see the game differently and if this is called 'progress' then I'm devastated as we are truly in a dark place.

Indeed. When I was watching the game I thought it was a good piece of football. To other side, people think it was a good performance because it was Spurs (in form team), so its okay to park the bus and play like the underdog. Mourinho again was playing to not lose the game. The team cant play like that the whole time. Mourinho didn't fixed the defense, because playing with 11 players behind the ball is not how you fix your defensive system. To other side the team showed tactical discipline, something that was not there in other matches, so there is some kind of "progress".

To other side this season is doomed. At the end of the season the club must evaluate what happened since 2013 and come up with a decision.

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

it will get so far, then another reason to restart it again will crop up ;-)

Yup another ISIS attack and Mourinho will be in the frame

[Henrique 9,133]

That's the thing, when they had the chance we didn't have 11 men behind the ball, there lack of urgency allowed us to regroup.

Remy wouldn't have made much difference, we were struggling with our decision making in the final 3rd and Remy would have made that worse.

Spurs is a 5th ot 6th place quality material. The fact a 0-0 after parking the bus 90 minutes is seen as a good results speaks loud about the current state of things. After 14 games played, the 14th place in table is well deserved for what this team has produced this season.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Spurs is a 5th ot 6th place quality material. The fact a 0-0 after parking the bus 90 minutes is seen as a good results speaks loud about the current state of things. After 14 games played, the 14th place in table is well deserved for what this team has produced this season.

I understand how many view the result and performance as an improvement, i agree with that. However, with how much we have invested into the squad, it is almost mortifying how bad/anti-football we play with all the talent in our disposal.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Yup another ISIS attack and Mourinho will be in the frame

well seeing as it's likely a 'false flag' episode and Mourinho is the 'false' special one.... I do wonder

[Muzchap 8,966]

I understand how many view the result and performance as an improvement, i agree with that. However, with how much we have invested into the squad, it is almost mortifying how bad/anti-football we play with all the talent we have in our disposal.

Shhh... we're in the minority here - can't you see the results of the poll :) :)

We have to remember that we are fortunate for such a manager and without him we'd likely be facing a relegation battle

[Fulham Broadway 17,350]

well seeing as it's likely a 'false flag' episode and Mourinho is the 'false' special one.... I do wonder

I know you reckon hes the best man for the job really M, youre just overpowered and find it hard to reconcile your strong manlove for him. :

[Muzchap 8,966]

I know you reckon hes the best man for the job really M, youre just overpowered and find it hard to reconcile your strong manlove for him. :

Dam, my thin veneer has been shattered!

I honestly, 100% DID believe he was the right man for the job, but since Jan - it's just been very weird

I remember the elation of August, September and October of 2014, November and December were ok too, Jan was a bit shit and from then on it's just slid down the pole (quicker than a 40yr old greased up stripper!)

He has until the summer to rescue the situation I guess. Yes I wish we'd beaten the Spuds (as half my family are season ticket holders) and my old man (Millwall) is giving me plenty of stick as well (despite them being two divisions lower).

I dunno - just keep hoping for a miracle, maybe it will happen this Xmas - if not Hollywood is not to be believed ever again LOL