The Mourinho Thread

[Leif 6,006]

Champions of football or Champions of math, Champions of first place gets you a trophy not a Champions of fourth place with 'attractive football' written in quotations on the pedestal.

I don't watch football so a trophy cabinet i'll never see has a toy in it for tourists to goggle at

[Leif 6,006]

Manchester City are entertaining you aren't they? Arsenal too yes? Liverpool surely do as well. Lets not forget the mighty Manchester United. Who's going to remember their performances after this season?

Their fans, whereas our fans will be in a hurry to forget our performances.

[Leif 6,006]

I like writing a lot of words, I don't like reading a lot of words though

[Leif 6,006]

I for one love entertainment but I take a team's win over entertainment any fucking day of the week.

Finally

I just want to know

Why

I've been trying to figure this out from the day i signed up how this mentality exists

This is not me bashing it but me genuinely asking

Why is winning more important than being entertained? Are you a glory hunter?

[lucio 5,418]

Their fans, whereas our fans will be in a hurry to forget our performances.

the utd fans begging their team to attack like last month? or the arsenal fans praying for wengers dismissal at various junctures? the brendan rodgers out sky message fans? yes im sure they will be loving this season for years to come. and lets not forget city fans who have never been happier right now

[Leif 6,006]

the utd fans begging their team to attack like last month? or the arsenal fans praying for wengers dismissal at various junctures? the brendan rodgers out sky message fans? yes im sure they will be loving this season for years to come. and lets not forget city fans who have never been happier right now

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Wow, you finally said what your real position is. Because from my short time here the only thing I got from your posts is that your blind Mourinho supporter. You literally only came up with this and only replied to the posts that criticised Mourinho. So I made my assumption that something is wrong with you that you don't how shit we're playing. However now I know I was wrong, sorry.

I just haven't been active around the forum cause the matchday threads and certain player threads just depress me after the happiness I felt after picking up 3 points. I've stayed away for a long while.

agree with you and I always say that I only start giving final grades after 3rd season. However I don't know how many people are there who seem that they don't bother about anything but box score. Why even watch the match then ? If we only want to discuss the boxscore - the forum is dead. I sincerely hope that everyone here only pretends to not be even one bit worried about how we play and only waits for this title to be finally won.

That would be wrong. I have my patience and mine's running out at the end of next season too unless we see some sort of progression in our play style. I have a problem with both sets of fans, one who don't give a shit, and the other that has constant diarrhea. I respect the ones that fall in b/w and you have that from me.

However you exaggerated. No one would ever criticize Chelsea if they would do something once to justify the means. But the pattern is obvious. So you actually excuse the one shot on target against the worst defence in the league, after the whole week of preparation ? I don't. You say that you expected that, I didn't. Sorry, I really didn't. The two games against Paris are explainable ? No they aren't.

I don't excuse them at all. They are glaring mistakes that obviously need fixing but I have come to the personal conclusion that its going to take an entire summer to fix these problems. The moment we lost our drift early on, I decided to settle on mediocre performances and hope that our fight would go on to win us atleast one trophy and we might just end up winning with two. I want to look into these mistakes and criticize them more when we move on to the next season. That's when the problem begins.

This league title won't taste as good as you thought. The last months bereft me of an excitement. I only want this god-damn title to be wrapped up and move on from that and build on from that.

This is personal opinion cause I've stated it before that I love winning the League no matter what. In fact the worse we do it the better I feel cause the whole league will be complaining about it. It's the sort of tribalism Jose built up the first time he was here. I would love more of Carlo-esque football from our double winning season but I'm never ever gonna be less happier no matter how we win the title. Once again down to personal choice tbf.

the perfect world, Jose just throw that huge monkey off his back after this title and start again from the 3rd season. Buy crucial players, promote and play some of our golden youngsters and when we entertain Bayern don't fucking defend with 11 men in our 30 metres zone. Don't only nullify them, don't play Azpilicueta as a winger, Zouma as a midfielder etc. Get there, play tactically but don't be scared as shit of them. Can Jose deliver that even with better players ? He has to start the change from the bottom of his mind I fear.

In an ideal world yes. I still see atleast another year before we implement youngsters in a larger form at all. Plus I don't mind defending with 11, cause like I said before, I don't mind that sort of football. Not seeing it with the purist's eyes of defensive football being coherently weaker. I don't think we have ever been scared of facing them. The chances are they are more scared of us. Defensive football is always been seen as a product derived from fear, but I don't think the same way. Real played on the counter against Bayern last year, I don't think many would say that Real were scared of Bayern. But in an ideal world , we play attack minded football because that is the norm, and there is a lot to change, but Jose has my confidence and support when it comes to that.

[Reddish-Blue 2,701]

I like writing a lot of words, I don't like reading a lot of words though

HAHAHAHAHA if you don't like reading, then why are you on a forum?

All these posts about beautiful football...you could always support Arsenal as a second club...then you could enjoy winning (with Chelsea) and enjoy beautiful football (with Arseanal)

[lionsden 4,689]

Well, it will be the most lackluster title win possibly in Premier League history. So yes, people including myself will feel bitter about that, but, we'll take it.

I personally feel it's almost embarrassing to be called Champions just because of the premise "Champions still grind out games when they're going through bad form" etc.

We were Champions for a month at the start of the season. Since then, all we've done is end up with a higher math figure than the other teams.

We are no Champions of football, we are champions of math.

We've been doing that for too long. It is not fun. People watch football for entertainment. Are fun and entertainment not one and the same?

I don't understand what some people watch football for if not for...the actual football, but i'm open to enlightenment. (I guess they may watch for escapism reasons, which is why when we 'win' ((regardless of the actual football)) it makes people feel like they've won something in real life which makes their cycle of a rut a little less tedious. I think these are the people who are happy with a win regardless how it comes. They must be depressed.)

Idgaf about a trophy and the 1 day of elation i'd feel from us having it if the 50+ games i actually watch us play over a season are boring or frustrating as hell.

Just think of the people actually paying money to see this shit & not just watching an illegal stream. Have some empathy and understand that the frustration is not meaningless.

We play, consistently, how let's say, Crystal Palace played before Pardew took over. Some people are happy with that if we get a shiny recognition after all of it. Those some people are crazy.

I can't wait for pundits and history archives alike to droll on about how boring this Chelsea team is, can any you? For the sake of football, any of the 3 teams below us should win this league. I'm talking about for the sake of neutrals and football fans. Those teams deserve it more. Because they're bold. They look to attack and entertain like a bull or a flock of dragons.

That's respecting the audience, putting on a performance & not just mopping the stage when you've promised a big loud set while still taking people's money.

I have to stress - if this is the level of football we can expect, what do we watch for? If only the result matters, why don't we just check the results on Yahoo after the game? (because people saying that only winning matters are either in denial, or are contradictory.)

We are a crab that hides in our shell for entire games to only strike when we think we may get a nibble, which we usually miss. Sometimes we'll get lucky and come across an animal with an already beaten shell, or with sand in its eye so it can't fight back. But when have we gone blow for blow with an equal and come out on top?

Absolutely spot on.

There's a reason why Cryuff led netherland team of the 74-78 and the Brazil team of 82 are regarded in such high esteem despite their lack of success at the ultimate price, the world cup, yet other teams that actually achieved success but in a highly pragmatic and uninspiring fashion are never celebrated or glorified.

The sort of football we have been playing will be considered unacceptable at other top clubs like Barcelona, real madrid and Bayern. I remember inviting my mate to come watch our match against city at the pub to which he replied "I'm working and i'm not about to miss work for shitty, defensive football" He texted me during the match to find out how we were playing and my response was "same ole same ole".

It's ok to play poorly in a few matches (every team has bad days) but we have been consistently bad since late December and that is never acceptable no matter how people try to paint it. something clearly isn't working and it's the manager's job to fix it. We shouldn't be relying on luck and the goalkeeper to win matches as consistently as we have been.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Biggest crybabies on earth, we actually may rival Liverpool now.

We're about to win the double, be happy for once in your miserable lives.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Well, it will be the most lackluster title win possibly in Premier League history. So yes, people including myself will feel bitter about that, but, we'll take it.

I personally feel it's almost embarrassing to be called Champions just because of the premise "Champions still grind out games when they're going through bad form" etc.

We were Champions for a month at the start of the season. Since then, all we've done is end up with a higher math figure than the other teams.

We are no Champions of football, we are champions of math.

We've been doing that for too long. It is not fun. People watch football for entertainment. Are fun and entertainment not one and the same?

I don't understand what some people watch football for if not for...the actual football, but i'm open to enlightenment. (I guess they may watch for escapism reasons, which is why when we 'win' ((regardless of the actual football)) it makes people feel like they've won something in real life which makes their cycle of a rut a little less tedious. I think these are the people who are happy with a win regardless how it comes. They must be depressed.)

Idgaf about a trophy and the 1 day of elation i'd feel from us having it if the 50+ games i actually watch us play over a season are boring or frustrating as hell.

Just think of the people actually paying money to see this shit & not just watching an illegal stream. Have some empathy and understand that the frustration is not meaningless.

We play, consistently, how let's say, Crystal Palace played before Pardew took over. Some people are happy with that if we get a shiny recognition after all of it. Those some people are crazy.

I can't wait for pundits and history archives alike to droll on about how boring this Chelsea team is, can any you? For the sake of football, any of the 3 teams below us should win this league. I'm talking about for the sake of neutrals and football fans. Those teams deserve it more. Because they're bold. They look to attack and entertain like a bull or a flock of dragons.

That's respecting the audience, putting on a performance & not just mopping the stage when you've promised a big loud set while still taking people's money.

I have to stress - if this is the level of football we can expect, what do we watch for? If only the result matters, why don't we just check the results on Yahoo after the game? (because people saying that only winning matters are either in denial, or are contradictory.)

We are a crab that hides in our shell for entire games to only strike when we think we may get a nibble, which we usually miss. Sometimes we'll get lucky and come across an animal with an already beaten shell, or with sand in its eye so it can't fight back. But when have we gone blow for blow with an equal and come out on top?

Don't watch us and our football then. Simple as.

[Fernando 6,743]

You only took that part and didn't read the whole thing.

I meant to have two minds working together, a defensive coach like Mourinho and an attacking coach like pellegrini.

They each have their strength and weakness so they would complement each other.

However I mentioned that such thing is not popular in this sport like NFL where we have offensive and defensive coach.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

You know a post is absolutely spot on when even jose's fan boys cant come up with any rebuttals to the points raised other than the highly predictable insults I.e pictures, gifs, the usr of the word "embarrassing" and so on and referencing his accomplishments as a manager which has absolutely nothing to do with the argument at hand. You should post more often. Really enjoyed reading that.

Hello Lionsden,

Which rebuttals could be offered that haven't been deployed hundreds of times in this thread already? Which rebuttals has @Irakozium257 not already demonstrated, in that one post, that he's immune to?

Every single one of us realises that the football we are playing is not good, every single one of us understands that this is at least in part because we are not playing well. Why these things are so is, you and I will agree, a matter of opinion. It is the attitude with which some people choose to express their opinion, not the opinion itself, which is pathetic.

I am 100% confident that over the coming seasons Jose will resolve the problems, deliver better football, and continue to win while doing it. I hope no Chelsea fan will be disappointed if this turns out to be so. Do you see, however, why many of us suspect that there are people here who will in fact be extremely disappointed if that happens?

Meanwhile, let me answer the question which I guess might be on your mind. Of course I will be disappointed if my confidence turns out to be misplaced. If we still need to be having this conversation in three years time, get back to me.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Your such a child. Everyone at Chelsea obviously loves Jose .. Fucking hell he is basically a God here. Some of us just want to see nice football. We want Jose to be the man to get us playing it. Nothing is more important than winning and Jose makes us winners... Great. Sometimes we use this thread to release our frustration when we play like dogshit to get those wins.

It's criminal to dislike the way we win.. i know!!

Judging by you poor grammar I'd say its the other way around... Anyways.

You think you're the only one who wants to see nice football? I would love to see us smash teams by 6! I just don't think that's gonna happen and not because Jose isn't capable of it.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

We just need to win this big title and get this fear off our backs, so that we can return to the football we played in the beginning 5 months of the season

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

What pisses me off mostly is half of these infants who deem anyone who dare criticises Joses approach a hater, probably don't even come to The Bridge and watch the games we analyse..

LOL... Like that makes you some sort of authority on the matter! hahahahaha I've been to the Bridge! 3 times in the last year.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

People seem to forget we are playing with the stress of being first......for a long time at that. Arsenal can play great without a worry because they have guaranteed 4th (their only objective ever) hence they play without care.

Not even that, we haven't even been challenged once all season... Complacency is very hard to keep out when you've had a 7-8pt lead pretty much all season.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

I don't watch football so a trophy cabinet i'll never see has a toy in it for tourists to goggle at

I don't know why on earth you chose Chelsea as your club brother!

[Adnane 1,101]

I think you're all over reacting here, it's not all black, nor white.

We've been hugely unlucky with ref's decisions going against us, at Old Trafford, St Mary and against Burnley at home, as José used to say, in normal conditions, we'd have 10 to 15 points clear at the top by February.

All I hear here is, we've been playing shit since December, now excuse me, but no, we played really well at Villa, Everton Home, and Burnley, and those are all February fixtures, stop making an awful lot of it and changing the facts, out bad run started actually against PSG, and still since, we had a brilliant second half against Southampton, solid performance against Hull apart from the last 20 minutes of the first half, and a good overall performance against Stoke.

The only games we played really really poor recently to me are QPR, the first half against Southampton, and some glimpses at West Ham and Stoke, really small glimpses.

Now the reality is, there is a really thin line between Hero and Zero in football, the latest of proofs is Fab's goal, when you start to interpret the fact as you wish, you can state whatever the hell you want, and what I'm saying here is, people are trying to mislead the general opinion and state that our run since DECEMBER IS SHIT to prove their point, now sorry, you must be talking about a different season.

Also, the other reality is, we aren't playing genuinely well in the last games, and that's quite predicted, you never win a Premiership playing like Barcelona at their peak the whole season, do you ? United of the last decade had always shit games where they'd pull the rabbit out of the hat again and again ( Ronaldo, Chicharito, 88 minute comebacks ), and won 5 Premier League titles, do you hear them complaining ? Do you hear people criticizing them ? No, nobody does, and for me, this side is as good as any United side of the last decade, and if we win all our remaining games, we'll reach 94 points, which is 1 shy of the record we established in 2005.

So stop complaining about imaginary facts, and stop reading newspapers, because obviously they are influencing you and misleading you on your OWN FUCKING TEAM. Every champion side has had its flaws, and it's never gonna change, we were absolute class the whole season, only for a couple of months now we aren't playing at high level but still getting points, nothing bizarre for me.

As i said, the line between success and failure is really thin in football, had JT and Cahill not collided in Silva's goal, we'd be looking at two mouthwatering encounters against Barcelona, with a 7 point lead at the top and a game in hand, and nobody would have talked about how poor we play because the general impression would be Chelsea is amongst the likes of Barcas Bayerns and Reals this season, now don't let one single goal scored on a mistake by our defense mislead your judgement of the entire season, we've been fantastic, had our flaws, and deserve our title more than anyone. Now all this, is just an answer to the "FACTS" the Mourinho haters are presenting to prove their point, if you look straight at em, you'd notice that you're making a too much of it.

Also, I can't understand how, as a Chelsea fan, you don't enjoy a 1-0 win at Loftus, with a goal at the 88th minute against the scums to trash their relegation fight dreams, I really can't, this is one of my highlights of the season, I just fucking love this kind of wins, and for me, a Chelsea fan is surely the one who's supposed to enjoy them the most, given the fact it's pretty much on our identity and history now.

[Leif 6,006]

I don't know why on earth you chose Chelsea as your club brother!

Family reasons & location, it was literally Chelsea or a team outside of London, not because I'm from there but the majority of my family was at the time. I wasn't about to be modest and pick a mid table or lower team that wasn't "local" So I went with Chelsea.

We also played with excitement back then. Either Zola and his striker friends were entertaining crowds or fast forward a few years and we were breaking bodies with Essien, Ballack etc.

No sane person would choose this Chelsea team to support now, though, bar Belgians. (NOT XENOPHOBIC FOR ANYONE THINKING THAT FML)*

*Oh and the Japanese fans we're about to get. I'd rather be a team like we were before, that wins and keeps fans with how we play, not how we're marketed. Different discussion for another time.