The Mourinho Thread

[stroey 2,525]

Chelsea FC ‏@ChelseaFC

Holland says Mourinho and his staff were fantastic to him and calls Mourinho an exceptional person who was a privilege to work with. #CFC

Steve Holland: "Thursday was a very sad day. Jose Mourinho is an exceptional coach and person. He asked me out for a meal next week."

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Let's not forget Jose once said these group of players were some of the best he's EVER worked with in terms of behaviour . This was when we were winning of course.

All of a sudden, we start losing and it's I was betrayed and I made them better than they really were. And then from that it's mutiny and player power while the manager leaves blameless to the sounds of adulation.

[nullabletype 987]

With his last few post match interviews and press conferences at the club, he's managed to convince some of the fans that it was in fact the players responsible for the awful season and not his man management or his tactical approach.

Now the noise is that "look it's the players". Forever the master manipulator.

Well how was our approach today so vastly different? Because other than increased effort it looked about the same to me and most people with eyes.

Tell somebody who doesn't know any better that was a Chelsea performance from 14/15 with Mourinho at the rudder and few would argue otherwise.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

Holland describes Mourinho as a person who 'needs and wants football'. Expects him to be back in management before the end of the season.

[didierforever 7,349]

Well how was our approach today so vastly different? Because other than increased effort it looked about the same to me and most people with eyes.

Tell somebody who doesn't know any better that was a Chelsea performance from 14/15 with Mourinho at the rudder and few would argue otherwise.

somebody just wants attention dude. leave it.

[Rekin 835]

You guys do realize that Mou is/was an employee, and not your daddy? It has always been part of his modus operandi to manipulate circumstances to make himself look like a victim, like he does everything right but referees/players/media/Football organisations conspire against him. It makes his players and fans feel like they are struggling together, isolating them from the "enemy" and become almost a cult of personality.

Jose acted terribly, the football was boring, he got us engaged in a terrible situation with Eva, he kept spreading words of a conspiracy, turned the players against him and now even the results have been absolute garbage. This is the man so many are defending. A man who pounds his chest a few times, say he is "one of us", and collects a fat check at the end of the day. Get fucking real people, I liked him when he had charisma, but ever since he came back he has been like the old man from "Up" before he re-discovered his happiness. Stop being so easily manipulated.

As for the blame, it is very much with the players too. Jose is not innocent though, and when you can either get rid of your coach, or of your players, it is always the coach who will go, provided we arent talking about singular cases of "mutiny".

Let us get Pep or Simeone, and put this circus behind us.
Bye Jose, you just werent that special in the end.

[nullabletype 987]

Got to laugh how the same Daily Mail who have been on Mourinho's case for months, running every gash article their "journalists'", namely Neil Ashton's, little fingers could type out, are now going with the headline "Time to call José?" regarding United's current situation.

[Barbara 15,149]

I think longevity in football is a rare item that is fated to complete extinction - had the same opinion when Mou arrived but I expected him to be here for 5 seasons.

Does he seem to have problems with managing a team beyond three seasons? It does seem the case, it seems like he burns too many bridges while building others. he's a winner and his resume speaks for itself. Despite what many will say here, he won a lot, in a short period of time and although those trophies have been diminishing in numbers the last few years compared to his best years, that's also a life circle.

So in times were long-term management seems more and more unlikely, I don't know why people are so bitter about it and are already ranting about him only lasting a couple of season whether that is at United or Madrid. Well, that's enough for today's realities.

The only guy I thought could last over a decade on a team because of their identification, not only with the person, but with his style was Pep at Barcelona. The moment he asked out I knew stories like Fergie's and now the ongoing Wenger's were going to be past stories to count.

Mourinho should learn from his mistakes - starting by acknowledging he makes them, instead of blaming everyone and their mothers - and reflect about how he manages the relationships. Leaving a job after 2-3 years is normal and even okay these days. The thing with Mourinho is the pattern of how he's been leaving and the common denominator is alienating relationships.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Well how was our approach today so vastly different? Because other than increased effort it looked about the same to me and most people with eyes.

Tell somebody who doesn't know any better that was a Chelsea performance from 14/15 with Mourinho at the rudder and few would argue otherwise.

I saw a lot more penetration, movement, pace in our attacks and definitely more decisiveness, even though that last one is still a work in progress.

We created more chances in 1 league game than in our last 5/6 league games put together. It wasn't just about effort, there was a lot of quality and class on show.

[Darogba 112]

Let's not forget Jose once said these group of players were some of the best he's EVER worked with. This was when we were winning of course.

All of a sudden, we start losing and it's I was betrayed and I made them better than they really were. And then from that it's mutiny and player power while the manager leaves blameless to the sounds of adulation.

That's him all over. He did the same at Madrid, blaming the players for everything wrong and taking credit for everything right. I think he even credited himself for Ronaldo's form despite the fact that Ronaldo was already a world class player before Jose arrived and even after he left.

He's a genius no doubt and I will always appreciate what he did for us but I'm also very relieved he's been sacked and this time it should be final. No more coming back.

We should definitely name a stand at Stamford bridge or something commemorative for him though. That much he deserves.

[Fernando 6,743]

Burley: Chelsea fans can't absolve Mourinho http://www.espn.co.uk/video/latest-videos/600/video/2763968

Agree with burley.

[stroey 2,525]

Courtois: "I didn't have a problem with the manager. You'd have to ask the other players about them" #cfc @bbc5live

lol

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Holland describes Mourinho as a person who 'needs and wants football'.

Ironically, he doesn't like other people playing football apparently.

[Jase 43,479]

I really have my doubts whether Mourinho will actually be able to get that United job.

1. United want success but they won't tolerate having a manager who incites trouble and creates negative headlines at every opportunity. Even Bobby Charlton, who has a strong influence at the club, has voiced his disapproval at the possibility of appointing Mourinho in the past.

2. United want their team to play attacking football and as we have seen with our own eyes, Mourinho is not the man to give them that. If their fans are already complaining about the style under Van Gaal, then there's every chance they will do the same with Mourinho even if he gets results.

3. United have a tradition of integrating youth players into the first team squad (whether they are actually successful or good is another story) and again, we have seen it ourselves that Mourinho doesn't do that. Giving them the odd game here and there or some minutes here and there really doesn't count. Varane is like arguably the only young player he's managed in the last 10 years that he's actually used prominently. The rest are almost tossed aside and used only a few times.

[Tomo 21,754]

I guess the reason why Mata was so shit when Mourinho came get's no mention?

Our two time players of the years and now is bad when this guy comes around and start forcing people to his way?

The same thing has happen to the players this season to what happen to Mata when Mourinho came.

Sorry but not even Pellegrini does that.

And he is supposed to be a lesser manager to Mourinho.

Mourinho is past it, and the sooner we move on the better.

It's a myth that Mata just lost form when Mourinho came here, in fact it was second half of the season the year before his formed bombed south, and right now he is the one up for the most critisicm with United fans.

[Jase 43,479]

I saw a lot more penetration, movement, pace in our attacks and definitely more decisiveness, even though that last one is still a work in progress.

We created more chances in 1 league game than in our last 5/6 league games put together. It wasn't just about effort, there was a lot of quality and class on show.

To be honest, I wouldn't read too much into today's game considering it was Sunderland. The next few games will tell us - Watford, Man United and Crystal Palace.

[Darogba 112]

I think longevity in football is a rare item that is fated to complete extinction - had the same opinion when Mou arrived but I expected him to be here for 5 seasons.

Does he seem to have problems with managing a team beyond three seasons? It does seem the case, it seems like he burns too many bridges while building others. he's a winner and his resume speaks for itself. Despite what many will say here, he won a lot, in a short period of time and although those trophies have been diminishing in numbers the last few years compared to his best years, that's also a life circle.

So in times were long-term management seems more and more unlikely, I don't know why people are so bitter about it and are already ranting about him only lasting a couple of season whether that is at United or Madrid. Well, that's enough for today's realities.

The only guy I thought could last over a decade on a team because of their identification, not only with the person, but with his style was Pep at Barcelona. The moment he asked out I knew stories like Fergie's and now the ongoing Wenger's were going to be past stories to count.

Mourinho should learn from his mistakes - starting by acknowledging he makes them, instead of blaming everyone and their mothers - and reflect about how he manages the relationships. Leaving a job after 2-3 years is normal and even okay these days. The thing with Mourinho is the pattern of how he's been leaving and the common denominator is alienating relationships.

The bitterness is nothing to do with his short termism but the chaos he leaves behind. if he wants to leave after three seasons, then that's fine but why leave the club in such a mess? He did the same at Madrid, leaving them in a mess and Ancelotti had to come in and clean up his mess.

Guardiola will be leaving Bayern and he will do it in a respectful way; on good terms with everyone and the club just as strong as when he arrived.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

Courtois: "I didn't have a problem with the manager. You'd have to ask the other players about them" #cfc @bbc5live

lol

So the other players had?...

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

Ironically, he doesn't like other people playing football apparently.

Who?

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

To be honest, I wouldn't read too much into today's game considering it was Sunderland. The next few games will tell us - Watford, Man United and Crystal Palace.

Unfortunately, until further notice, the likes of Sunderland are our competition, mate. Let's not forget, it wasn't too long ago Bournemouth came to the Bridge and beat us comfortably