The Mourinho Thread

[zolayes 14,489]

Its that time in the evening, a coffin lid creaks open.

Yawn.

GO back to sleep then ,, you are sooo boring and predictable

[quickpassnmove 924]

With all due respect barca and bayern are not chelsea, and not being funny but I would rather take the word of a Chelsea stalwart legend than a bloke in India

You can repeat that one again every month and every year Chelsea look the way they have (while also spending heaps of cash above beyond most clubs). I've been waiting for the development since Arjen Robben and D. Duff left. still waiting.

Yes, Chelsea are not one of the elite clubs in European football. repeat.

[didierforever 7,349]

With all due respect barca and bayern are not chelsea, and not being funny but I would rather take the word of a Chelsea stalwart legend than a bloke in India

the guy who said the oscar would have a hazard-esque development after jose said it? or the guy who just in september said that oscar was the most important player. or the guy who feels that the sun shines out of cesc's ass (last season).

you are right in one thing though, barca and bayern are not chelsea. they are bigger clubs with even bigger demands and what nots than us.

try to open your eyes and see the reality for once, instead of trying to call out people on their nationality. and thats a moderator.

[zolayes 14,489]

You can repeat that one again every month and every year Chelsea look the way they have (while also spending heaps of cash above beyond most clubs). I've been waiting for the development since Arjen Robben and D. Duff left. still waiting.

Yes, Chelsea are not one of the elite clubs in European football. repeat.

JOSE promised us a DYNASTY ,, he actually meant DIE NASTY for our youth

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

the guy who said the oscar would have a hazard-esque development after jose said it? or the guy who just in september said that oscar was the most important player. or the guy who feels that the sun shines out of cesc's ass (last season).

you are right in one thing though, barca and bayern are not chelsea. they are bigger clubs with even bigger demands and what nots than us.

try to open your eyes and see the reality for once, instead of trying to call out people on their nationality. and thats a moderator.

Nothing to do with your nationality pal. Pat Nevin is closer to the club than any of us and is more of a respected commentator than any of us. He might make the odd wrong call, but who hasnt, especially on here.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

You can repeat that one again every month and every year Chelsea look the way they have (while also spending heaps of cash above beyond most clubs). I've been waiting for the development since Arjen Robben and D. Duff left. still waiting.

Yes, Chelsea are not one of the elite clubs in European football. repeat.

I think most at the club would dispute that, but I understand why some fans are bitter atm.

[Essien19 1,415]

JOSE promised us a DYNASTY ,, he actually meant DIE NASTY for our youth

How long does his contract run?

Make your evaluation when his contract is up, i think you wouldn't want to be evaluated when you still have time left.

When i get some free time i will take a look at your old posts because i'm just curious:

Have you ever said something positive about Chelsea and our coach?

@Fulham Broadway

good posts, keep them coming

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

thats such a load of crap.

barca and bayern have been doing it for years. and they are as BIG and SUCCESSFUL as they come.

the fact that our manager thinks that cesc in the form is a better player than RLC should be enough indication that the problem is not with roman's demands but our manager.

the fact that we bought etoo to replace lukaku should be another indication, or not giving bertrand a chance. the fact is, people will try to foolishly give reasons to cover for jose's fuck ups, but the main problem is our manager.

Barca have a massive loan operation and the success rate of La Masia is only what it is because of the volume of players they have, their success rate is very low. Xavi is the equivalent of John Terry in terms of coming through the academy. Messi is a freak of nature and Barcelona acquired him illegally so does not count. Therefore we have 1/3 of the output in recent times of La Masia of top products (terry : Xavi, Busquets, Thiago)

I don't know enough about Bayern to comment on them.

[zolayes 14,489]

How long does his contract run?

Make your evaluation when his contract is up, i think you wouldn't want to be evaluated when you still have time left.

When i get some free time i will take a look at your old posts because i'm just curious:

Have you ever said something positive about Chelsea and our coach?

@Fulham Broadway

good posts, keep them coming

LOOK back to when I first came on here ,, I was always POSITIVE ,, now Im a realist unlike you ,, Still think we will finish third ????

[didierforever 7,349]

Nothing to do with your nationality pal. Pat Nevin is closer to the club than any of us and is more of a respected commentator than any of us. He might make the odd wrong call, but who hasnt, especially on here.

and just like the man pat nevin adores, he is getting a lot of his calls wrong.

and the one you posted before, well, makes no sense to me.

playing cesc after the absolute shocker he had against spurs and the shocking season he has had so far, had nothing to do with roman's demands. cesc and iva have started every PL game that they have been available for. that has nothing to do with roman's demands. it is all down to the fact that jose cant drop his favourites and trust the youth.

[didierforever 7,349]

Barca have a massive loan operation and the success rate of La Masia is only what it is because of the volume of players they have, their success rate is very low. Xavi is the equivalent of John Terry in terms of coming through the academy. Messi is a freak of nature and Barcelona acquired him illegally so does not count. Therefore we have 1/3 of the output in recent times of La Masia of top products (terry : Xavi, Busquets, Thiago)

I don't know enough about Bayern to comment on them.

what? at a certain point of time barca had these la masia products:

11/12:

valdes

pique (maybe)

cesc (maybe)

puyol

xavi

iniesta

messi

thiago

busquets

pedro

cuenca

fontas

currently they have

messi

iniesta

busquets

rafinha

bartra

haddidi

sandro

roberto

also, its not about the volume of the operation running but how many players are we actually developing into quality players. barca have generated PLENTY. how many can we say?

ps : i am not sure how barca acquired messi illegally but that is not the point. the point is taking that leap of faith. the point is replacing someone like yaya with busquets. will jose EVER do that? does he have the balls? can he trust our youth enough to make that call. he cant give RLC game time against bournemouth even when cesc is having a shocker after shocker, can he actually make a change of selling someone like yaya and replacing him with busquets. for me, the answer is simple: NO CHANCE.

[zolayes 14,489]

what? at a certain point of time barca had these la masia products:

11/12:

valdes

pique (maybe)

cesc (maybe)

puyol

xavi

iniesta

messi

thiago

busquets

pedro

cuenca

fontas

currently they have

messi

iniesta

busquets

rafinha

bartra

haddidi

sandro

roberto

also, its not about the volume of the operation running but how many players are we actually developing into quality players. barca have generated PLENTY. how many can we say?

But OUR Academy is MAKING a profit ,,,,,,,, though no one shows us the figures

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

and just like the man pat nevin adores, he is getting a lot of his calls wrong.

and the one you posted before, well, makes no sense to me.

playing cesc after the absolute shocker he had against spurs and the shocking season he has had so far, had nothing to do with roman's demands. cesc and iva have started every PL game that they have been available for. that has nothing to do with roman's demands. it is all down to the fact that jose cant drop his favourites and trust the youth.

Not sure Pat Nevin 'adores' Mourinho, though perhaps you know better. Hes been fairly neutral in his assessments of the manager and club, rather than the black and white childish hate\love Mourinho inrerpretations here. One thing he doesnt hide from though is the cold reality that Chelsea FC is a business.

[didierforever 7,349]

Not sure Pat Nevin 'adores' Mourinho, though perhaps you know better. Hes been fairly neutral in his assessments of the manager and club, rather than the black and white childish hate\love Mourinho inrerpretations here. One thing he doesnt hide from though is the cold reality that Chelsea FC is a business.

i have never read anything from pat nevin that says he is neutral about jose.

if i remember correctly, just a month ago he said something like "jose foresaw chelsea's collapse.. so decided to sign pogba and stones". i mean seriously. jose actually foresaw chelsea being in a relegation fight and wanted about 150million worth of players, so if he did not get those players, instead of looking at cheaper options, he said "screw it, let it play out"??

i respect pat nevin for what he has done in the past, but i have to say that he actually "adores" jose. and so, i would categorize him in "the black and white childish hate/love mourinho inrerpretations here."

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

i have never read anything from pat nevin that says he is neutral about jose.

if i remember correctly, just a month ago he said something like "jose foresaw chelsea's collapse.. so decided to sign pogba and stones". i mean seriously. jose actually foresaw chelsea being in a relegation fight and wanted about 150million worth of players, so if he did not get those players, instead of looking at cheaper options, he said "screw it, let it play out"??

i respect pat nevin for what he has done in the past, but i have to say that he actually "adores" jose. and so, i would categorize him in "the black and white childish hate/love mourinho inrerpretations here."

He never comes across like that on R5 as a regular commentator, but then again he is rarely negative about much.

[Iggy Doonican 4,187]

The bottom line is Chelsea just don't do promising. If your going to break into the first team you have to be outstanding. Is this a case of Mourinho's short-termism ?. Possibly but to be fair to him he's not the only Chelsea manager to do it. R.L.C. granted I'd prefer him to that tosser Fabregas but is he going to cement a first team place?. From what I've seen of him the answer is no. But getting dug out by Mourinho for a below par performance in a pre season kick about was inexcusable and totally uncalled for.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Joe Cole reckons Chelsea can win the league

[Iggy Doonican 4,187]

Joe Cole reckons Chelsea can win the league

Don't think we could even win the Fair Play League F.B.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

I do take the point that the academy is there to make profit but on another note, to say "may get 1% of loanees ever considered good enough to play for Chelseas first team" is a tad ridiculous considering our academy has never been filled with more talented players than now (we won 4 of the last 6 FA Youth Cups, no?). Academy is there to make profit but also help to save cost and we have good players in our ranks. Our main issue with them right now (coughmourinhocough) is not putting enough trust in those players, particularly when some of the first teamers are failing miserably (coughfabregascough).

But after countless of articles about Roman and the youth players, you can't say that there's not even an ounce of truth in it. And if Roman doesn't want to see youth players get into the first team, then why does he always attend youth matches?

He was seen at one this season so far.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

what? at a certain point of time barca had these la masia products:

11/12:

valdes

pique (maybe)

cesc (maybe)

puyol

xavi

iniesta

messi

thiago

busquets

pedro

cuenca

fontas

currently they have

messi

iniesta

busquets

rafinha

bartra

haddidi

sandro

roberto

also, its not about the volume of the operation running but how many players are we actually developing into quality players. barca have generated PLENTY. how many can we say?

ps : i am not sure how barca acquired messi illegally but that is not the point. the point is taking that leap of faith. the point is replacing someone like yaya with busquets. will jose EVER do that? does he have the balls? can he trust our youth enough to make that call. he cant give RLC game time against bournemouth even when cesc is having a shocker after shocker, can he actually make a change of selling someone like yaya and replacing him with busquets. for me, the answer is simple: NO CHANCE.

Moslty it comes down to having a B team. We have the option to ship our loanees to a lot of teams with a lot of different apporach to football. We cant keep them near the first team, let them experience the atmosphere of having A team star players join in on trainings etc. Barca B is doing exactly what they expect a A team player to do - same footprint and style of football. Plus La Liga is less punisning, you can field a youth player that already knows the club way's inside out, because Barca can practically walk over any team in the world, let alone La Liga.