The Mourinho Thread

[Essien19 1,415]

Also you need to remember that English clubs were banned for a part of Fergies reign... So that could skew the results slightly and it was in an era without as much technology and advancement - so it really was going into the unknown back then

What i like about Ferguson is his approach to the game. It's what the likes of Scholes and Gary Neville did criticise in their modern days game;

simply the lack of attacking.

Although Ferguson had more or less job security he was never ever afraid to think outside the box, he adapted quickly,

for example to Chelsea back in the day. His lineups had changed over the years.

His Manchester side with Ronaldo was something else.

But some firms believe that only young people can be creative....

Maybe Ferguson was sometimes too ruthless with his players, i think Berbatov could have been handedly differently, especially leaving him out against Barcelona, that was just unfair, imo.

That's where Mourinho and he differ, of course in their approach too, but Mourinho would never do that before such a big game.

I think Mourinho is closer to his players and i respect that.

They both handle the media perfectly, i like the evaluation of the officials too, sometimes pure comedy, but that's just my two cents worth.

How about Manuel?

2 seasons, 1 PL trophy. And Manuel's on his way to his 2nd PL trophy.

Until Mourinho matches Ferguson with the trophy count, he's no way better than Ferguson.

I'm not saying Jose is bad, and I agree Jose is one of PL's best managers of all time, but I'm saying it's ridiculous to say Jose is better than Sir Alex at this point of time. Sir Alex has a clear distance between all other PL managers at the moment.

His European record is bad, and Jose edges him there I agree but we are not talking about who's the best CL manager in history here.

The reason I'm calling out on the fanboys because there shouldn't be ANY doubt that who is the best PL manager of all time. You can have your own opinion, that because Jose was a Chelsea manager and won the most trophies with us, his your favourite manager.

But to say he's the best PL manager in history, even Jose himself will disagree with you.

How can I be serious with you if you use win percentage to determine who's the best ever PL manager? Mourinho currently holds the best PL win percentage of all time, that's it. You don't win PLs by having the greatest win percentage.

Real Madrid had the best win percentage in our 2012 CL. Barca has the best win percentage in the past 3 years. Do any of us care?

I think it's impossible for Mourinho to reach Ferguson's heights, but he has already admitted to it and there is not shame in it, imo.

I don't think you need to be so serious about it, most people like the thought that it's the best deal possible.

For me, Mourinho is part of the Chelsea family and sometimes we all go over the line, Real Madrid backs Cristiano every time for Ballon d'Or,

no matter what. That's the spirit, yes, you have made your valid points, maybe more logical, but it's a Chelsea community, so what you do expect?

Everyone's girlfriend is the most beautiful in the world, that's what it is.

You win some, you lose some, but if you win more and more instead of losing, you don't need to be numbers nerd that a future crowning is becoming more and more a possibility.

So i do think that the best PL win percentage of all time has its use.

At the end of the day there is no winner her, imo.

Football is about emotions and in some cases it's difficult to overcome them.

You call some of us "Mourinho fanboys" i feel some frustration, so even yourself aren't that logical all the time,

instead of staying with the arguments, you get emotional attached and choose a different path (no harm meant).

But that's what happens in football, everything gets personal, imo.

[Essien19 1,415]

Maybe I was being a bit too serious about it, but I just wanted to make it clear BBC is only doing that for clicks (If you live outside the UK, you'll see ads on the website) and Facebook chatter to gain popularity.

Win percentage is a great achievement, and I do agree it have its use, but at the end of the day, that's not what the PL's all about. It's part of it sure, but that is not the main goal.

Let's flip this the other side. Let's say BBC posts "The Best PL Managers in History" but based on the undefeated streak. Arsene Wenger will be #1, therefore the best PL manager of all time. Would you agree? Because win percentage stat is just as big as this undefeated streak stat.

Again, these are wonderful achievements to have. But trophy count will always be superior to these achievements as it shows how many times you finished the league first place. We do bus parades, boast, have parties for getting the trophies. I'm just trying to make my point here.

This is a Chelsea community yes. We are going to have biased opinions, just like we can go to Arsenal-Mania and they have biased opinions too.

And yes, Mourinho having the best win percentage is a superb achievement and should not be overlooked. But for him to be the best PL manager in history based on that is just a weird examination. They should have worded it "Top 10 best PL managers based on win percentage"

P.S - Also I apologise for mentioning Mourinho fanboys. I was angry at the time.

It's alright mate, finally we have reached an agreement.

Yes, BBC didn't do it for the football, they did it for the clicks what means in the end more money.

Therefore they didn't include all the necessary numbers. It's your right to point the finger.

Again, these are wonderful achievements to have. But trophy count will always be superior to these achievements as it shows how many times you finished the league first place. We do bus parades, boast, have parties for getting the trophies. I'm just trying to make my point here.

I fully agree with this.

Some users however won't.

I heard trophies are just for tourists and for the museum, one can look up low scoring results on the internet and so on.

But that's how it is, everyone has his own idea about the perfect game.

Regards

[bellion 170]

The main reason for me why Mourinho will never reach the heights of Ferguson is due to his constant neglect of home grown youth players.

The class of '92 will always be a legendary team and it was all due to Fergie's faith and management ability of his young players.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Yes I know. But the name of the video is called 'The top PL managers in history' and it's ranked. And at first, like a normal person would think this is going to be based on trophies won, not win percentage.

Manuel is 2nd place, only won 1 PL trophy so far and he's already better than Sir Alex and even Wenger? Can you say that in a straight face?

You can have the most wins in the season. But if you don't win the league that season, nobody gives a shit. That's what I'm saying here.

Win percentage is a weird way to examine which manager is better. As I said in the previous post, Pep can take over a club, win 8/10 games and he's the best. In fact, he only needs to win his first game!! 100% win percentage!

Ray Wilkins should be top

[Rhino's Skin 972]

The main reason for me why Mourinho will never reach the heights of Ferguson is due to his constant neglect of home grown youth players.

The class of '92 will always be a legendary team and it was all due to Fergie's faith and management ability of his young players.

but since then in the PL it has never happened again to that scale and success not even by Ferguson.

That was a one off which served them well for several years but he still needed to spend a lot as well to compliment them.

The game has changed since then with revenue and trophies more important than bringing through loads of youth

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Wee Pat Nevin was on R5 saying such is the demand of owners of top clubs, Chelsea in particular, there is never a chance to nurture and play 'da yoof'.

Its nothing to do with Mourinho he said, just the demands of instant success of big business

[Laylabelle 9,754]

Wee Pat Nevin was on R5 saying such is the demand of owners of top clubs, Chelsea in particular, there is never a chance to nurture and play 'da yoof'.

Its nothing to do with Mourinho he said, just the demands of instant success of big business

Which is what he said years and years back.Would happily play youth,develop players and maybe not win trophies in that period but cause of demands to win didnt feel he could..something along those lines.Was when everyone was going on about Arsenal in the Carling Cup that year we won

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Which is what he said years and years back.Would happily play youth,develop players and maybe not win trophies in that period but cause of demands to win didnt feel he could..something along those lines.Was when everyone was going on about Arsenal in the Carling Cup that year we won

Am sure a lot of fans have the same romantic notion of youth development and maybe forfeit silverware for a while.

The bitter reality is that this would never happen. Chelsea Football Club is first and foremost a business to make profit. Everything else is secondary and periphery. I wish people would understand this instead of the 'mourinho is such a 'orrible git for not playing josh, ruben, insert any youth player here[............]

[Jase 43,479]

Wee Pat Nevin was on R5 saying such is the demand of owners of top clubs, Chelsea in particular, there is never a chance to nurture and play 'da yoof'.

Its nothing to do with Mourinho he said, just the demands of instant success of big business

But doesn't Roman want to see the youth players being integrated as well? We want success yes but if the manager integrates some of the youth players, then I'm sure Roman would give some leeway if we don't win things. And it's not like he and the fans are asking Mourinho to throw in say 10 youth players into the starting XI but 2-3 certainly won't hurt. Even Mourinho said himself last year that if he doesn't bring through some youth players, then he would have failed and if he or we in general don't do that, we might as well just close the academy.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

But doesn't Roman want to see the youth players being integrated as well? We want success yes but if the manager integrates some of the youth players, then I'm sure Roman would give some leeway if we don't win things. And it's not like he and the fans are asking Mourinho to throw in say 10 youth players into the starting XI but 2-3 certainly won't hurt. Even Mourinho said himself last year that if he doesn't bring through some youth players, then he would have failed and if he or we in general don't do that, we might as well just close the academy.

No and no. The academy makes a profit, it is if you like a production line. If youre lucky you may get 1% of loanees ever considered good enough to play for Chelseas first team, but the bottom line is that the factory is profitable.

Abramovich leaves the running of his business to directors and the board. How do we know Abramovich wants to see the youth play ? This is mere media speculation, as he never speaks to the press.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

You can't Play with youth when your Fans and Owner demands instant success.

[Jase 43,479]

The academy makes a profit, it is if you like a production line. If youre lucky you may get 1% of loanees ever considered good enough to play for Chelseas first team, but the bottom line is that the factory is profitable.

I do take the point that the academy is there to make profit but on another note, to say "may get 1% of loanees ever considered good enough to play for Chelseas first team" is a tad ridiculous considering our academy has never been filled with more talented players than now (we won 4 of the last 6 FA Youth Cups, no?). Academy is there to make profit but also help to save cost and we have good players in our ranks. Our main issue with them right now (coughmourinhocough) is not putting enough trust in those players, particularly when some of the first teamers are failing miserably (coughfabregascough).

How do we know Abramovich wants to see the youth play ? This is mere media speculation, as he never speaks to the press.

But after countless of articles about Roman and the youth players, you can't say that there's not even an ounce of truth in it. And if Roman doesn't want to see youth players get into the first team, then why does he always attend youth matches?

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

I do take the point that the academy is there to make profit but on another note, to say "may get 1% of loanees ever considered good enough to play for Chelseas first team" is a tad ridiculous considering our academy has never been filled with more talented players than now. Academy is there to make profit but also help to save cost and we have good players in our ranks. Our main issue with them right now (coughmourinhocough) is not putting enough trust in those players, particularly when some of the first teamers are failing miserably (coughfabregascough).

But after countless of articles about Roman and the youth players, you can't say that there's not even an ounce of truth in it. And if Roman doesn't want to see youth players get into the first team, then why does he always attend youth matches?

There are countless articles about Abramovich, all speculative I am afraid. He owns the club, leaves the running of the business to staff.

Theres no doubt he likes his football, all the large screen TVs on his yachts have matches being shown by all accounts, so it would not be unusual for him to attend a youth match of the club he owns. To say he 'always attends the youth matches' is a bit far fetched

[Jase 43,479]

There are countless articles about Abramovich, all speculative I am afraid. He owns the club, leaves the running of the business to staff. Theres no doubt he likes his football, all the large screen TVs on his yachts have matches being shown by all accounts, so it would not be unusual for him to attend a youth match of the club he owns. To say he 'always attends the youth matches' is a bit far fetched

You're in-denial.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

You're in-denial.

Run along and be a good pussy

[zolayes 14,489]

No and no. The academy makes a profit, it is if you like a production line. If youre lucky you may get 1% of loanees ever considered good enough to play for Chelseas first team, but the bottom line is that the factory is profitable.

Abramovich leaves the running of his business to directors and the board. How do we know Abramovich wants to see the youth play ? This is mere media speculation, as he never speaks to the press.

Could you please show the Accounts that the Academy makes a profit ,

[zolayes 14,489]

You're in-denial.

At least FB won't be able to delete Your POsts then give you a warning

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Its that time in the evening, a coffin lid creaks open.

Yawn.

[didierforever 7,349]

Wee Pat Nevin was on R5 saying such is the demand of owners of top clubs, Chelsea in particular, there is never a chance to nurture and play 'da yoof'.

Its nothing to do with Mourinho he said, just the demands of instant success of big business

thats such a load of crap.

barca and bayern have been doing it for years. and they are as BIG and SUCCESSFUL as they come.

the fact that our manager thinks that cesc in the form is a better player than RLC should be enough indication that the problem is not with roman's demands but our manager.

the fact that we bought etoo to replace lukaku should be another indication, or not giving bertrand a chance. the fact is, people will try to foolishly give reasons to cover for jose's fuck ups, but the main problem is our manager.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

thats such a load of crap.

barca and bayern have been doing it for years. and they are as BIG and SUCCESSFUL as they come.

the fact that our manager thinks that cesc in the form is a better player than RLC should be enough indication that the problem is not with roman's demands but our manager.

the fact that we bought etoo to replace lukaku should be another indication, or not giving bertrand a chance. the fact is, people will try to foolishly give reasons to cover for jose's fuck ups, but the main problem is our manager.

With all due respect barca and bayern are not chelsea, and not being funny but I would rather take the word of a Chelsea stalwart legend than a bloke in India