The Mourinho Thread

[Rhino's Skin 972]

About discussing PL and CL ...

Lol. Top clubs try for years how to create breakaway European league. There's a lot of noise and rumours that such league will come to fruition eventually and we're even discussing which thing is better ?

Owner of this club said that Champions League is his best football memory, our manager is saying every time that his best memory was winning Champions League with Inter. Players are attracted by the Champions League and choose clubs based on that. Our best player joined here because we could offer him that. Maybe in England it's a discussion, after all English clubs were banned from European competitions for 5 years after Heysel tragedy but in Europe like 99% desired, holy grail goal for fans and players alike is the Champions League.

99% eh....lol.

Most countries have to win their league or finish top 2 just to even qualify for the CL.

Winning their league is more important before thinking about CL.

Most clubs realistically cannot win CL so your view that 99% of fans think their club winning CL is the holy grail is totally unrealistic.

However, as I pointed out earlier...I agree with you about Euro league and that could be the future

[Essien19 1,415]

I think this is distorted because of the teams he managed. They had money to spent.

Look at crappy Mancini how he did with the Inter before Mourinho got there and then City.

Now Pellegrini that never won much of anything win trophies with City.

You need to look at context as well my friend.

Money is important;

almost everyone needs it and lots of clubs have money, but the question remains:

On whom do they spend it on?

You must put brain on it; an idea has to be developed, money alone will get you nowhere.

It's a sad example, but because of the money the Premier-League clubs should do much better in Europa, especially in the Europa League.

Spanish clubs use their brain and dominate the Europa League, unbelievable.

I don't like Roberto Mancini, but you have to give the man some credit!

1 Supercoppa

Coppa Italian twice

3 times in a row the Italian Championship (Ferguson did it in a tough league, who else?)

1 FA Cup

1 Championship (won the battle against Ferguson, who never ever wanted that to happen)

For me that's very impressive! He is far away from being a crappy manager!

Achieving those things is not that easy, a lot of skill is required!

But he ain't word class, i give you that. Luckily, we don't have to make a binary choice!

Pellegrini won the Championship with Manchester City, because he is also a good manager.

If money is the only thing needed to win trophies, why is Manchester United doing jack shit with one of the most expensive squads in the league's history?

What happened in Madrid during the past 13 years?

Lot's of years they crashed out early in the UCL, but they almost always bought in some very expensive players.

PSG are trying everything they can to win the UCL, but until now they haven't done it yet.

Titles bring the club in the spotlight, but establishing an identity is similar important.

Mourinho doesn't only bring in titles, he does far more.

I have seen Chelsea play a lot and sometimes i take a look at other teams, but cross your heart:

Chelsea 2004/2005 and Chelsea 2014/2015 were one of the best teams in the history of the club.

Apart from all the glory and the expensive players, he made it work more than once.

That's very impressive and at the end of the day should count for something.

[Essien19 1,415]

Lets use simple maths.

Which solo artist has sold more tunez than Justin Beebz during the past couple years?

Which artist tested himself in Canada, America, and then the world.....?

Evidently since high numbers >>> high quality, Justin Bieber should be the one we all want dominating our playlists.

who cares how many cups Jose has, he's boring as fuck

Bieber is successful, can't take that away.

But take a good look at his awards, has he won something that makes him compete with someone great like Adele?

I don't think so, the juries do have the some opinion, earning money doesn't make him a serious artist,

therefore he gets no significant trophies!

Serious cups are important, whatever you do, bringing the trophy home make most people happy.

All their hard work they have had to put in have been rewarded, for me there's no better feeling.

You are relevant, you are getting good results.

What's boring?

I think being a loser, being useless and minor, i don't want that and most of the football players and non football people don't like that either.

Currently, our style of play is shit, but it's not always been these way, which Chelsea manager played better football than Jose 2014?

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Being champions of Europe yet not even being champions of your own country just doesn't fit with me personally.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

99% eh....lol.

Most countries have to win their league or finish top 2 just to even qualify for the CL.

Winning their league is more important before thinking about CL.

Most clubs realistically cannot win CL so your view that 99% of fans think their club winning CL is the holy grail is totally unrealistic.

However, as I pointed out earlier...I agree with you about Euro league and that could be the future

I'm saying based on what I read about Belarussian, Polish, Czech, Ukrainian Bulgarian etc. clubs. Their owners want to get to the Champions League. That's their ultimate goal. Winning the league on the occasion is a platform for that.

Every club measures themself with what they can do. I would never say that just winning the league is a failure, no it's a success. Winning the league is a standard goal to achieve. Though ultimate goal, roof of the club is the Champions League. For some it's just a participation and for some try to win it. That's the limit.

About breakaway European League I think we're getting closer. There will be whole reconstruction needed. It's yet another thing in Europe when nations are united, boundaries diminished. Though I think 10 years from now realistically speaking.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

Lets use simple maths.

Which solo artist has sold more tunez than Justin Beebz during the past couple years?

Which artist tested himself in Canada, America, and then the world.....?

Evidently since high numbers >>> high quality, Justin Bieber should be the one we all want dominating our playlists.

who cares how many cups Jose has, he's boring as fuck

Regardless of whether he's good or not in your opinion, Bieber sells music because he's popular.

Regardless of whether or not he's popular with you, Jose wins trophies because he's good.

[Leif 6,006]

Regardless of whether he's good or not in your opinion, Bieber sells music because he's popular.

Regardless of whether or not he's popular with you, Jose wins trophies because he's good.

Ok that could be true.

I was more-so trying to make the point though that just because you're considered to be on top, or the 'best' by some, doesn't mean that you produce something of high quality, nor does it mean you're entertaining. It just means the right people talk about you, or you're living off of glory years like in this instance.

I ask this.

Does Jose produce high quality?

Do Jose's teams entertain?

(In this decade, not the last decade.)

And that's why i make the Bieber comparison. Both are considered to be top-tier in their fields, but neither of them have done anything innovative, awe-inspiring, inspiring in general actually, in a very long time.

They're celebrities, and their names are bigger than their results.

Bieber isn't a great singer, or songwriter, and Jose is now a greater celebrity than manager.

It's like having a plain t shirt from Gucci that costs £400 (Jose) and thinking it's better just because of the label/price factors. Well guess what. Gucci is outdated now (Jose), and if you opened your eyes you'd find just as good a t shirt in the back of Asda somewhere that does everything you need it to do, without the pretentious label that comes with.

[Adnane 1,101]

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[Adnane 1,101]

For all the talk of Mourinho being the best manager and having the best record at Chelsea, he keeps on failing in the UCL, season after season.

:lol: :lol:

Such posts can't be serious guys, or do they ? :lol:

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

I hate people that can't see the bigger picture. This isn't Mourinho FC, it's Chelsea FC.

For all the talk of Mourinho being the best manager and having the best record at Chelsea, he keeps on failing in the UCL, season after season.

Semi final 2004 - knocked out by a ghost goal. 2014 - knocked out by an atleti team that won their league that year. Many other times we have been in the QFs under Jose. Your point is irrelevant.

[kmk108 1,186]

Ok that could be true.

I was more-so trying to make the point though that just because you're considered to be on top, or the 'best' by some, doesn't mean that you produce something of high quality, nor does it mean you're entertaining. It just means the right people talk about you, or you're living off of glory years like in this instance.

I ask this.

Does Jose produce high quality?

Do Jose's teams entertain?

(In this decade, not the last decade.)

And that's why i make the Bieber comparison. Both are considered to be top-tier in their fields, but neither of them have done anything innovative, awe-inspiring, inspiring in general actually, in a very long time.

They're celebrities, and their names are bigger than their results.

Bieber isn't a great singer, or songwriter, and Jose is now a greater celebrity than manager.

It's like having a plain t shirt from Gucci that costs £400 (Jose) and thinking it's better just because of the label/price factors. Well guess what. Gucci is outdated now (Jose), and if you opened your eyes you'd find just as good a t shirt in the back of Asda somewhere that does everything you need it to do, without the pretentious label that comes with.

I don't know where you live, so I don't know about your music exposure, but in the US, I'd say Bieber is more "popular" now than he was in the past. When he first became popular, he was adored by teenage girls and loathed by pretty much everyone else. Fan girls went crazy and people loved to make fun of him. but these days, his music is appealing to more people and I see less Bieber hate.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Who is this Justin Bieber?...Can Mourinho sign him in January if he is that good? ;-)

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

Ok that could be true.

I was more-so trying to make the point though that just because you're considered to be on top, or the 'best' by some, doesn't mean that you produce something of high quality, nor does it mean you're entertaining. It just means the right people talk about you, or you're living off of glory years like in this instance.

I ask this.

Does Jose produce high quality?

Do Jose's teams entertain?

(In this decade, not the last decade.)

And that's why i make the Bieber comparison. Both are considered to be top-tier in their fields, but neither of them have done anything innovative, awe-inspiring, inspiring in general actually, in a very long time.

They're celebrities, and their names are bigger than their results.

Bieber isn't a great singer, or songwriter, and Jose is now a greater celebrity than manager.

It's like having a plain t shirt from Gucci that costs £400 (Jose) and thinking it's better just because of the label/price factors. Well guess what. Gucci is outdated now (Jose), and if you opened your eyes you'd find just as good a t shirt in the back of Asda somewhere that does everything you need it to do, without the pretentious label that comes with.

Thanks Leif,

I understood what you were getting at it's just that your examples operate in entirely different environments. In pop music it is of course possible to be both popular and good but it is just as possible to be popular but not good, or to be good but not popular. It does not work like that in football. In football you get nothing for popularity, everybody loves the way Bournemouth are playing this season. To succeed you have to be good.

I know people claim that you can win with luck, as is said about our Champion's League triumph for example, but I'm not buying it. When the oppo don't do what they should it's not because we're lucky, it's because they didn't get the job done. We were not the best squad in the league last season but we had the best player and the best manager. That was enough and it was not luck.

When you start talking about fashion I'm way out of my league but I do appreciate that brands need to renew and reinforce their credentials. Everyone knows how recently Jose won trophies and underlined his credentials.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

Semi final 2004 - knocked out by a ghost goal. 2014 - knocked out by an atleti team that won their league that year. Many other times we have been in the QFs under Jose. Your point is irrelevant.

The ghost goal was '05 and then in '07 we were eliminated at the semi-final stage on penalties.

[manpe 10,861]

Who is this Justin Bieber?...Can Mourinho sign him in January if he is that good? ;-)

Already have mate

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho could return to Real Madrid, says Ramon Calderon

"But after two or three years I can see him here again - it happened the same with Chelsea, they sacked him but then he came back. In football that is normal.

"The current president has a lot of interest in Mourinho, he backed him a lot during his time at Madrid and Mourinho is his favourite coach."

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11835/10065544/chelsea-boss-jose-mourinho-could-return-to-real-madrid-says-ramon-calderon

[Last Sicarius 610]

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho could return to Real Madrid, says Ramon Calderon

"But after two or three years I can see him here again - it happened the same with Chelsea, they sacked him but then he came back. In football that is normal.

"The current president has a lot of interest in Mourinho, he backed him a lot during his time at Madrid and Mourinho is his favourite coach."

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11835/10065544/chelsea-boss-jose-mourinho-could-return-to-real-madrid-says-ramon-calderon

Heh, its sounds good, i dont like RM and Jose.

But if we are talking about PL and CL, in last 10 years we became a Europe club and we are aspirating for best club trophy which is CL. But for fans which are going on Bridge match by match and they are seeing it close, the PL will be much worth then CL. Moreover we need to think in which competition we have more chance to win. We won only once and nobody had through we could do this(in that season ofc when we were fighting against Barcelona and Bayern and ended on 6th position in PL). In last years we only reach to semi, by tbh only Bayern, Barcelona and RM have CL-win status. We need to think what we can do but we never gonna give up .

[Reddish-Blue 2,355]

He has two Champions League titles. Only Ancelotti and Paisley have more than him in the entire history of the tournament.

He has NO CL titles with Chelsea. Learn to read