The Mourinho Thread

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

You can't follow Chelsea news. If you did you would know he hasn't trained with the squad yet.

Why?

[HD3D 1,038]

Bad form is temporary, people seem to forget this when they criticize Jose's decision to keep investing trust in Ivanovic, Cesc, Willian and Matic despite them not playing well in these last games. Let's not forget these players played a crucial role in us winning the title last season and (perhaps with the exception of Willian) they were the best players in the league in their position.

A player doesn't lose his skill and talent because of 2 months holidays. It's only a matter of time until they are back to their best and this will not happen if they are benched. Just look at Yaya Toure, he was in bad form for months and now that he's back to good form City is looking fierce again.

This is the difference between a professional manager and a sofa manager. You people are too quick to demand a player to be benched because of a few bad games. You forget too quickly what the player is capable of when he's at his best form and you don't realize he'll never be back to good form if he's not given the opportunity to be.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

As far as I'm concerned, José is trying his best to turn this around. Playing Pedro and Willian today was impressive, for me, because he's firstly understood that Willian is capable of that number 10 role ahead of using Ramires anywhere on the pitch. But also he trusts Pedro and that trust was rewarded tenfold today!

Yes we've got problems in defence and midfield, but he's solved one of our issues. Which is our lack of attacking depth on the right hand side. Let's hope when Baba's got enough training under his belt that Ivanovic will be phased out.

Mourinho's got now Ivanovic and Terry to be concerned with. Zouma put in a good performance as usual, so you can see that Mou's starting to trust him. That's one step. But he also knows he can't just replace 3/4 of that backline and expect them to click. The quadruple of Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry and Azpili took 2-3 seasons to gel perfectly. He'll understand that Rahman and Stones will have to be eased in.

I still trust him to turn this around. This season might not be a title winning one, but it'll be a positive transition. Bolded and underlined because our past attempts at 'transition' have been dire, but I really do believe Mou can pull this off. It won't be pretty, but it could be effective.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

As far as I'm concerned, José is trying his best to turn this around. Playing Pedro and Willian today was impressive, for me, because he's firstly understood that Willian is capable of that number 10 role ahead of using Ramires anywhere on the pitch. But also he trusts Pedro and that trust was rewarded tenfold today!

Yes we've got problems in defence and midfield, but he's solved one of our issues. Which is our lack of attacking depth on the right hand side. Let's hope when Baba's got enough training under his belt that Ivanovic will be phased out.

Mourinho's got now Ivanovic and Terry to be concerned with. Zouma put in a good performance as usual, so you can see that Mou's starting to trust him. That's one step. But he also knows he can't just replace 3/4 of that backline and expect them to click. The quadruple of Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry and Azpili took 2-3 seasons to gel perfectly. He'll understand that Rahman and Stones will have to be eased in.

I still trust him to turn this around. This season might not be a title winning one, but it'll be a positive transition. Bolded and underlined because our past attempts at 'transition' have been dire, but I really do believe Mou can pull this off. It won't be pretty, but it could be effective.

Amen.

[zolayes 14,489]

Why?

he isnt ready yet :halo:

[Henrique 9,133]

As far as I'm concerned, José is trying his best to turn this around. Playing Pedro and Willian today was impressive, for me, because he's firstly understood that Willian is capable of that number 10 role ahead of using Ramires anywhere on the pitch. But also he trusts Pedro and that trust was rewarded tenfold today!

Yes we've got problems in defence and midfield, but he's solved one of our issues. Which is our lack of attacking depth on the right hand side. Let's hope when Baba's got enough training under his belt that Ivanovic will be phased out.

Mourinho's got now Ivanovic and Terry to be concerned with. Zouma put in a good performance as usual, so you can see that Mou's starting to trust him. That's one step. But he also knows he can't just replace 3/4 of that backline and expect them to click. The quadruple of Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry and Azpili took 2-3 seasons to gel perfectly. He'll understand that Rahman and Stones will have to be eased in.

I still trust him to turn this around. This season might not be a title winning one, but it'll be a positive transition. Bolded and underlined because our past attempts at 'transition' have been dire, but I really do believe Mou can pull this off. It won't be pretty, but it could be effective.

Good post, but lets be honest, for the past 100 years this is the 8th "transition" season...

[didierforever 7,349]

I'd rather have a new didierforever if you don't mind.

Again it is only your opinion that Jose is costing us. You have only your own belief to support your claim. It's perfectly reasonable for you to back your own judgement. I happen to think that I am a very good judge of football too but why should anyone believe me? No reason at all. With Jose that must be different however.

its not just my opinion, its the fact. want to see the number of goals and the percentages of the total goals we have conceded down the right flank in the last year?

[Henrique 9,133]

Nothing wrong with his tactics today. Lack of depth still worryng. Playing Terry instead of Cahill was the right decision.

A new LB was bought, and I hope in near future we will see Azpi playing as RB and Ivanovic out of the starting XI, at least as long as RB role is concerned.

Good start for Pedro, at least he can score goals, and we can say the same about Willian. Oscar, Hazard and Pedro is the ideal combination with William as an option.

Squad still lacks depth and this is going to be a tough season.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Good post, but lets be honest, for the past 100 years this is the 8th "transition" season...

Haha I know mate. For as long as we've both been here, we've seen this word under so many managers.. From Scolari to Ancelotti to even Villas-Boas/Di Matteo! It's always nice to think that it is true, but I want to give Mourinho the benefit of the doubt on this one. He's strengthening in areas of the pitch we definitely need. It seems like centre midfield will be ignored this summer, even though Wanyama is available now to back up Matic, let's hope that won't cost us.

[didierforever 7,349]

There is a difference between support and agree.

As for the arithmetic, it is more complicated than that of course. This is judgement not science. What looks like two to you does not seem to look like two to Jose. What makes you right and him wrong? If your answer is to turn the question around and ask what makes Jose right, I'd have to say that's the correct question. The thing is though that Jose has earned the right to have his judgement put into effect and in doing so he has earned my confidence and that of hundreds of thousands of Chelsea fans.

That's the way it is.

what makes me right is the fact that we conceded both our goals down the right flank.

what makes me right is the fact that iva got raped by montero and sterling.

i guess you need to watch a match to know that. jose has earned the right to have his judgment put into effect cos he always made the hard decisions to back himself up. replacing courtois with cech, replacing lamps etv etc. somehting he is not doing with iva and cesc.

[zolayes 14,489]

Good post, but lets be honest, for the past 100 years this is the 8th "transition" season...

it it the 8th transition since 2005

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

From winning the league to 'transition' hahahahhah what...do you guys know what transition means? so basically from now on every season we are gonna be trophyless is a 'transition'? transition is when your whole team need changing like after 2011-12 season where we bought virtually a whole new team, that is transition. Signing a couple of players to make the squad stronger is not transition, in fact I thought last season was meant to be the start of a 'dominant' period where we win lot of titles.

It is ok just to admit maybe we are not that good if we end up trophyless and it has NOTHING to do with transition as we still have arguably the 2nd best squad in the league behind City and possibly still top 5-10 squad in Europe.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

its not just my opinion, its the fact. want to see the number of goals and the percentages of the total goals we have conceded down the right flank in the last year?

No I don't, I've seen all of the games and that's enough for me to form my opinion.

Seeing is only a part of the the thing. What you don't know is whether any alternative choices would have made things better or worse. You clearly think there were positive alternatives but you do not know. It's just opinion.

No matter how angry anyone gets I'm not going to trade their opinion for Jose's.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

what makes me right is the fact that we conceded both our goals down the right flank.

what makes me right is the fact that iva got raped by montero and sterling.

i guess you need to watch a match to know that. jose has earned the right to have his judgment put into effect cos he always made the hard decisions to back himself up. replacing courtois with cech, replacing lamps etv etc. somehting he is not doing with iva and cesc.

May I ask you something please, something completely off topic?

That r word should not be used casually. Sexual violence has significantly increased in recent years. There are many reasons for that. The normalising of that word may not be one of them but it clearly is not a part of the solution so it may be a part of the problem. The word rape describes an horrific crime. It is not my place to police what words you, or anyone else, uses but I hope you won't be offended if I ask you to join me in trying to find other ways to talk about football. If avoiding that word helps just a little bit then I think that, as men, you and I can take pride in making a contribution to the solution.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

May I ask you something please, something completely off topic?

That r word should not be used casually. Sexual violence has significantly increased in recent years. There are many reasons for that. The normalising of that word may not be one of them but it clearly is not a part of the solution so it may be a part of the problem. The word rape describes an horrific crime. It is not my place to police what words you, or anyone else, uses but I hope you won't be offended if I ask you to join me in trying to find other ways to talk about football. If avoiding that word helps just a little bit then I think that, as men, you and I can take pride in making a contribution to the solution.

The performances of those two, and others besides, do seem to be problematic. The implication of many of your posts is that you don't believe Jose can see that. I do not accept this. If you and I can see it then Jose certainly can too. Diagnosing the problem however is just stage one. Next Jose would need to believe he has better alternatives available. One thing is seeing the problem, another thing is fixing it. This is where judgement comes in.

As you've pointed out, Jose fixes problems. This is part of the reason that he has my confidence. It remains to be seen if my current opinion is right but that opinion is that Jose will be here a long time and that he will make those who are presently frustrated by his decisions very happy in the long run. Very happy indeed. He knows what we know but there is no magic wand. Some of the answers are not available today and may not be available tomorrow either. Jose will move the squad forward in time and we will be better.

[Madmax 9,219]

May I ask you something please, something completely off topic?

That r word should not be used casually. Sexual violence has significantly increased in recent years. There are many reasons for that. The normalising of that word may not be one of them but it clearly is not a part of the solution so it may be a part of the problem. The word rape describes an horrific crime. It is not my place to police what words you, or anyone else, uses but I hope you won't be offended if I ask you to join me in trying to find other ways to talk about football. If avoiding that word helps just a little bit then I think that, as men, you and I can take pride in making a contribution to the solution.

Off topic, but you have a way with words. Do you work in a capacity that has you dealing with people a lot?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

From winning the league to 'transition' hahahahhah what...do you guys know what transition means? so basically from now on every season we are gonna be trophyless is a 'transition'? transition is when your whole team need changing like after 2011-12 season where we bought virtually a whole new team, that is transition. Signing a couple of players to make the squad stronger is not transition, in fact I thought last season was meant to be the start of a 'dominant' period where we win lot of titles.

It is ok just to admit maybe we are not that good if we end up trophyless and it has NOTHING to do with transition as we still have arguably the 2nd best squad in the league behind City and possibly still top 5-10 squad in Europe.

And I kindly disagree with that.

Transition doesn't mean you have to change the whole team, it means you're changing important areas of it. You're denying it to yourself if you don't consider that replacing 3/4 of our back 4 is a transition. Hell you can even argue 5 because this is Courtois' second season but now he's contending with a new look defensive lining. So why isn't that a transition? We've already had one in sorting out our attack, from the days of the horrendously dubbed "Mazacar" or whatever it was, we know seem to have an established attack in Costa, Hazard, Pedro, Willian/Oscar. We built a new team last season but that doesn't mean it's not continuing into this season.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

And I kindly disagree with that.

Transition doesn't mean you have to change the whole team, it means you're changing important areas of it. You're denying it to yourself if you don't consider that replacing 3/4 of our back 4 is a transition. Hell you can even argue 5 because this is Courtois' second season but now he's contending with a new look defensive lining. So why isn't that a transition? We've already had one in sorting out our attack, from the days of the horrendously dubbed "Mazacar" or whatever it was, we know seem to have an established attack in Costa, Hazard, Pedro, Willian/Oscar. We built a new team last season but that doesn't mean it's not continuing into this season.

Well we are gonna be signing 3-4 new players every year so looks like we are gonna be in for a lot of 'transition' soon. Transition imo is when you have a new manager with a new system and lot of new players who are not familiar with it so it is understandable if it takes a year or so, most of our starting 11 have been with Mou for sometime so this reason cannot be used anymore imo.

Also even if it is 'transition' it doesn't mean we can't challenge for the title because our transition squad still are 2nd best in the league, if MU who signed even more players than us can challenge then we can too. Let's say Costa does his hamstring again this year and next season we sign Cavani/Higuain/Benzema or whoever or if Oscar/Willian leaves for us to sign Koke/Pogba, are we in for another transition again then?

This is not transition, this is 'gradual improvement' or at least that is what I would have called it, which is an established team getting improvement in small numbers over time. Like I said transition sometime is valid but most of the time it is used as an excuse for an underwhelming season, usually a transition team don't manage to win the league the season before at a canter anyway.