The Mourinho Thread

[zolayes 14,489]

zolaeyes and CMS please leave it at that, no more bickering.

point taken

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

Apparently, Dr Carneiro hasn't been back at Chelsea since Mourinho called her a "filha de puta" (son of a bitch, or more literally, daughter of a bitch) in front of 41,000 people. Fearn was present at the meeting, but she wasn't. I won't be surprised if she now resigns and sues the club for constructive dismissal. If this happens, I don't see how Mourinho can keep his job.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11804493/Eva-Carneiro-not-seen-at-Chelsea-training-ground-since-Jose-Mourinho-criticism-as-Blues-boss-remains-defiant.html

I was planning on writing a pretty lengthy comment on Dr Mourinho's bizarre (but predictable) press conference today, his refusal to apologize and his threats to walk out, and what this means for the future of the club, but I'll save it for tomorrow. The fact that the club is empowering this egomaniac by not forcing him to apologize to both Fearn and Carniero, shows an incredible shortsightedness and an unwillingness to learn from Mourinho's chequered history.

No he didn't call Eva anything. He vented frustration using a well known expression. It was not aimed at anyone in particular. The pair of medics were, rightly or wrongly, the immediate cause of that frustration but it just exploded out. It had no specific target. It's an odds on bet that Jose said the same thing the last time he stubbed his toe.

Glad your acid levels were driven up by the manager's press conference. You deserve it.

And why are you going to wait until tomorrow to expound further? Hoping we'll loose perhaps? I hope that's not the case. I hope you can honestly say that you are not wanting to see Chelsea beaten, and that, at worst, you are simply fearing/anticipating that it might happen. I have my doubts however about just exactly what it is you do wish. Doubts which are entirely reasonable given the line you take so persistently.

[The Skipper 20,609]

People's true colors are coming out. Lets fire Jose, how dare he take Eva off the bench? Oh beautiful Eva; she has that Midas touch; she's got the healing power; Omg! SB is falling down, Eva is not going to be on the bench. How dare Jose swear out in public? We can't take it. We do not tolerate anyone swearing at all, not even on this forum. Roman pay him off, lets pay him $40,000,000.00 and let find another coach. Its three years already. Jose moves every three years, lets help on his way. Roman bring your money bag, we need to buy more players. We need to only buy the most expensive guys, because you've got money and you are our sugar daddy. Lets go spend your money Roman. We wanna go shopping. We want another coach too. We don't care how much, just bring out your wallet Roman, we are ready to shop.

No one is saying Jose should get sacked, and people are well within their rights to think the squad needs strengthening and that Jose needs to improve his behaviour (or well within their rights to not really like him either). Cut it out. You're goading and enticing people into reacting and being argumentative for no reason.

This post adds nothing constructive to the debate that's going on here. I suggest you actually participate constructively in the debate or don't at all.

[CMS 382]

No he didn't call Eva anything. He vented frustration using a well known expression. It was not aimed at anyone in particular. The pair of medics were, rightly or wrongly, the immediate cause of that frustration but it just exploded out. It had no specific target. It's an odds on bet that Jose said the same thing the last time he stubbed his toe.

Glad your acid levels were driven up by the manager's press conference. You deserve it.

And why are you going to wait until tomorrow to expound further? Hoping we'll loose perhaps? I hope that's not the case. I hope you can honestly say that you are not wanting to see Chelsea beaten, and that, at worst, you are simply fearing/anticipating that it might happen. I have my doubts however about just exactly what it is you do wish. Doubts which are entirely reasonable given the line you take so persistently.

Some people are just so full of themselves. Like he pays anyone's salary. What happened to journalism?

[CMS 382]

No one is saying Jose should get sacked, and people are well within their rights to think the squad needs strengthening and that Jose needs to improve his behaviour (or well within their rights to not really like him either). Cut it out. You're goading and enticing people into reacting and being argumentative for no reason.

This post adds nothing constructive to the debate that's going on here. I suggest you actually participate constructively in the debate or don't at all.

So because you don't like what I've written, you want to shut me up? What I've summarized here is all the moans you have in your moaning thread. So if you do not like the summary, then go ahead and shut everybody up that does not agree with you. I'm entitled to my opinion just like you, have expressed yours. When it suits your agenda, its a debate, when it doesn't it's argumentative and goading. Brilliant.

[The Skipper 20,609]

So because you don't like what I've written, you want to shut me up? What I've summarized here is all the moans you have in your moaning thread. So if you do not like the summary, then go ahead and shut everybody up that does not agree with you. I'm entitled to my opinion just like you, have expressed yours. When it suits your agenda, its a debate, when it doesn't it's argumentative and goading. Brilliant.

You are not providing your opinion at all, you are sarcastically summarising everything that you don't agree with in a provocative way. You are clearly trying to cause arguments. As in anyone that even thinks in that way is completely wrong and stupid and are being cry babies. This is not about me agreeing with your opinion or not. As you can see I have said nothing about anyone else's posts. What I am suggesting to you is to stop trying to goad people in because that's what you're clearly trying to do to me. Simple.

[CMS 382]

You are not providing your opinion at all, you are sarcastically summarising everything that you don't agree with in a provocative way. You are clearly trying to cause arguments. This is not about me agreeing with your opinion or not. As you can see I have said nothing about anyone else's posts. What I am suggesting to you is to stop trying to goad people in because that's what you're clearly trying to do to me. Simple.

That is your opinion. I do not agree with you period and simple. I have my opinion of your posts too. So now what? I should stop what? Is that a command?

[The Skipper 20,609]

That is your opinion. I do not agree with you period and simple. I have my opinion of your posts too. So now what.

Again... Last thing I'll say on it is that you should be constructive in your posts instead of trying to belittle people for having a different opinion to yours.

[CMS 382]

Again... Last thing I'll say on it is that you should be constructive in your posts instead of trying to belittle people for having a different opinion to yours.

Constructive as to whose opinion? What you are trying to do here is exactly you were accusing JM of doing to Eva. You are trying to use position as moderator to shut me up and intimidate me, so I will not express my opinion. Your actions here is no different from the person you are castigating. Again, I'm a grown up man, you are not going to tell me how to express myself. I'm not insulting anyone, not was I addressing any specific person here.

[Essien19 1,415]

it's hard to believe you thought I said he will leave after 3 yars for no other reason other than "i cant stay at a club for more than 3 seasons".

As you said, Mourinho left for different reasons his past clubs. What will happen with Mourinho before 2019 is the same that happened in 2007 with Chelsea and Madrid in 2013: "he wont have the conditions of staying".

Mourinho actually creates bad conditions for himself as soon as the results aren't goof enough. He started to lose his Chelsea job back in 2007 when things were bad in the middle of 06/07 season and he blamed the lack of activity in winter market for losing the PL for United. His years in Spain were not exaclty a success. Someone would say he won La Liga. Bernd Schuster also won La Liga with Madrid in past 10 years, and lets be honest, winning La Liga with Madrid is far from a huge achievement, everybody knows Mourinho was hired to win UCL, and left the club giving himself praise for winning Copa Del Rey.

Mourinho is easily the best manager in the world to take a group of good individuals and build a winning team as soon as possible. I'm not sure about his success as a long term manager, when is requires to build a team from nowhere. The defense situation is pretty much what Mourinho is about. 2013/14 season, Luiz and Ashley Cole strugling, Azpi, Cahill, Terry, Ivanovic played together a couple of games and the team conceded few goals. That back four remained the main defense for the rest of the season. That was supposed to be a quick fix for a team that lacked "proper Mouinho's players".

Ivanovic played for the first as a RB for Chelsea in the classic 3-1 win at Anfield, first leg in 08/09 UCL quarters. Hiddink was the manager and Ivanovic still was used in that position in some games for the rest of the season. 09/10 season under Ancelotti, Ivanovic was used as RB for many games, but he was never the undisputed one in that position. Bonsingwa and even Paulpo Ferreira played some games in that position when required.

Between 2011 and 2013 Ivanovic played most of his games as a CB, but Mourinho decided Ivanovic was his legendary RB. It seems we don't need any other player in that position, since he is the man. Now we are starting 2015/16 season, and Ivanovic is our only opition as a RB, and thats unbelieveable.

Azpilicueta is a fucking RB. After 2013 he became the udisputed LB. Cahill is not world class, Terry is in decline. Mourinho has stability, and he is the one who asks for players and the team lacks depth, specially in defensive terms.

Mourinho never accepts defeats very well. If the team don't win any big trophies this season, Mourinho will start 16/17 season under huge pressure from press and from himself, then another trophyless season, he will leave, theres no doubt about it. Mourinho won't stay as Chelsea manager with no trophies.

Winning the league against Barcelona under Guardiola is a huge achievement!

Beating Barcelona in their own backyard to the title, scoring the most goals in history, getting the most points....simply "La Liga de los Récords"!

Real Madrid just won 2 league titles in the last seven years; Ancelotti couldn't get the job done, Pellegrini failed too....

Winning the domestic competition is for a lot of people the most important thing, it's the best benchmark how the team performs throughout the season!

Moreover the progress in the Champions-League is huge, always getting to the semis, before that they crashed out in the round of sixteen,

six times, that's unacceptable!

Mourinho: 'I see your relations with media are quite good. I know we have to get along with them but I didn't think you were getting along that well,' before adding, 'I turn on my TV 4 hours before the game and what the f*** do I see? That the journo is giving away our squad.

'How could we ever surprise them if one of you is a rat!!! Yes, yes a rat! Somebody released the info about the starting XI before the game.'

Mourinho was particularly aggrieved, it seems, at the outing of his plan to deploy centre-back Pepe in midfield to cope with the threat of Barca's Lionel Messi, as it eliminated the element of surprise.

'They knew everything about us. We trained all week. We wanted to surprise them.'

Afterwards you have to take appropriate steps!

Casillas is a prima donna, Ramos and others had a different work attitude, at that time Perez did't want to destroy the core of spanish players,

therefore it was time to leave for Mourinho.

But i can tell you that Perez would love to have Mourinho back sooner or later, because he is the only coach he fully respected!

For Mourinho Ivanovic is the main right back, why is it so difficult to understand?

He suits his style of play nicely, last season we won the double!

Was he the main reason why it didn't work out in the Champions-League?

I don't think so!

Benching Ivanovic, buying Baba because of the better numbers isn't a certainty for success.

I have a dream, maybe you should get a coaching degree and apply for the job?

I would love to win the treble..

Mourinho wants to win everything, yeah, he can't cope with a defeat very well, but that's how passionate he is about winning.

In 2013/2014 he won nothing, but a year later he won it with ease, he has stayed without trophies, paradox?

The phrase "one of us" isn't made up out of thin air, he is always defending the club and trying to the remove the pressure from the team.

Sometimes he puts pressure on some of the individuals to observe how they cope with pressure, if they want to bail out, they have to go!

In the long run he has got a band of blood brothers, that's very difficult to beat for any team in the world!

Maybe his last big defeats against Barcelona (5:0 and Dortmund 4:1) has made him more cautious, but otherwise he is still the same man.

ONE OF US :blue scalf:

[The Skipper 20,609]

Constructive as to whose opinion? What you are trying to do here is exactly you were accusing JM of doing to Eva. You are trying to use position as moderator to shut me up and intimidate me, so I will not express my opinion. you actions here is no different from the person you are castigating. Again, I'm a grown up man, you are not going to tell me how to express myself. I'm not insulting anyone, not was I addressing any specific person.

PM'd you.

[Roquila 1,335]

Not taking any sides here but Jose acted like a proper cunt.

I don't even care about Eva, she's a doctor, she can go to Arsenal and i wouldn't care.

Point is, Jose is the Manager and we are playing bad. We obviously need some signings.

Jose is the face of the Club and he is doing more harm than good.

This is my take on this thing, it's not about who he called a bitch or who he shouted too, it's about bad PR and bad performances.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Point is, Jose is the Manager and we are playing bad. We obviously need some signings.

Jose already said himself that we need new signings. But what else you expect from him in this case? He can't negotiate deals himself, he can't pay his own money to close the deal sooner. Moreover, when he trying to unsettle player to accelerate the deal, people call him "classless cunt".

[Jase 43,479]

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

https://twitter.com/samcunningham/status/632560767783579648

What a wanker...