Closed Bayern Munich v Chelsea

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

just no Lampard in the starting 11 then I am a happy man, also would prefer Mata starts the game too

[Strike 7,489]

4-4-1-1 with energetic tracking back/pressing

Cech

Azpi - DavidLuiz -Terry - Cole

Schurrle- Mikel/MvG- Rami- Hazard

--------Oscar--------

Lukaku

[Yeboii 1,844]

If Torres plays I will be soooooo pissed. Also hope Van Ginkel and Lukaku get minutes (more than 20 hopefully).

[Albertbecart 0]

is it so important? maybe mou see this as a training?

[CrayzayBarnet 126]

is it so important? maybe mou see this as a training?

Doubt it, he'll see it as another trophy for our and his collection

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

4-4-1-1 with energetic tracking back/pressing

Cech

Azpi - DavidLuiz -Terry - Cole

Schurrle- Mikel- Rami- Hazard

--------Oscar--------

Lukaku

Believe we will need to go for an energetic team against Bayern, if we can press them high up they will cause themselves problems. That is the team I'd go for too, except for maybe Ivanovic in at CB instead of Luiz depending on fitness but I suppose Luiz can start attacks from defence.

[Rmpr 8,977]

4-4-1-1 with energetic tracking back/pressing

Cech

Azpi - DavidLuiz -Terry - Cole

Schurrle- Mikel- Rami- Hazard

--------Oscar--------

Lukaku

The thing is, many of the 'new' formations out there are all just variations of the same...

With 4 on the back, there are really only 4-4-2/4-2-3-1/4-3-3. The rest are just inventions that dont praticly change anything!

4-5-1, 4-2-1-3 and 4-4-1-1 are all hidden 4-2-3-1s; 4-1-2-1-2 and 4-2-2-2 are all different 4-4-2s; and those Arsenal like lineups of 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-1-2 are all 4-3-3s.

The only cool formation that allows a good bit of creativity is by playing with 3 on the back (3-4-3, 3-5-2, 3-6-1, etc), the rest is all just managers trying to pretend they are football.

Anyways mate, my intent was just to show that we will be playing 4-2-3-1 and end of story. Of course we can hope Jose asks for attacking players to track back and defend for their lifes, but it will always be 4-2-3-1 no matter what we do. For instance, our wingers tracked back a lot in the Manure fixture, but I didnt hear anyone saying it wasnt the classic 4-2-3-1.

Not that I find your idea bad, it is actually very good, but I dont like this notion of 183785938381 variations of the same formations. It seems to me that people (not a dig at you, please) like to complicate things just for the sake of it.

The team itself is really our best option though.

[Strike 7,489]

The thing is, many of the 'new' formations out there are all just variations of the same...

With 4 on the back, there are really only 4-4-2/4-2-3-1/4-3-3. The rest are just inventions that dont praticly change anything!

4-5-1, 4-2-1-3 and 4-4-1-1 are all a hidden 4-2-3-1; 4-1-2-1-2 and 4-2-2-2 are all a different 4-4-2s and those Arsenal like lineups of 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-1-2 are all 4-3-3s.

The only cool formation that allows a good bit of creativity is by playing with 3 on the back (3-4-3, 3-5-2, 3-6-1, etc), the rest is all just managers trying to pretend they are football.

Anyways mate, my intent was just to show that we will be playing 4-2-3-1 and end of story. Of course we can hope Jose asks for attacking players to track back and defend for their lifes, but it will always be 4-2-3-1 no matter what we do. For instance, our wingers tracked back a lot in the Manure fixture, but I didnt hear anyone saying it wasnt the classic 4-2-3-1.

Not that I find your idea bad, it is actually very good, but I dont like this notion of 183785938381 variations of the same formations. It seems to me that people (not a dig at you, please) like to complicate things just for the sake of it.

The team itself is really our best option though.

Yes. 4-4-1-1 is just a defensive 4-2-3-1. basically 2 lines of 4 players across the pitch with 2 players in central attacking role

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

just no Lampard in the starting 11 then I am a happy man, also would prefer Mata starts the game too

I think Lampard has a 'psychological advantage' for this match. He was a captain in the final last time we met Bayern.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Just watched the champions league final again. God, still makes me smile ear to ear thinking about that night.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

I think Lampard has a 'psychological advantage' for this match. He was a captain in the final last time we met Bayern.

We should play him now and Mourinho can ease him to the bench for the premiership.

Kinda like the last time he's gonna start 4-5 games in a row.

It's not like we can make our legend a squad player that easily

[Green Lantern18 54]

Doubt it, he'll see it as another trophy for our and his collection

And that's exactly how it should be seen, I realize that the priority is the premier league. But I would love to win this cup again given the fact that we haven't won it since 1998. There are no guarantees that we'll ever get a chance to play in another super cup final. So I really hope that we make the best of this opportunity, because there aren't that many teams that have played in two back to back Super Cup finals. I checked the Super Cup finalists list on Wikipedia, and I noticed that the only ones to do it were Milan, Liverpool, Ajax, and Porto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Super_Cup#Records_and_statistics

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Things that will definitely be happening in this match:

1. Lukaku will not start

2. Schurrle will not start

3. Torres probably will start

4. Oscar and Hazard will 100% start

5. Mata will probably start

6. Ramires will definitely start

7. Back four and Cech will stay in the team

So the only change for MU game is Lampard will probably/hopefully be dropped for Mikel/Essien and Schurrle will be dropped for Torres

[Chelsea? 892]

It's as if these coaches were made to coach the other's team. Chelsea built for tiki tak, while Bayern are built for the quick counters.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

I know Mourinho is too conservative as a coach but I would like us to play a 4-1-4-1 formation with 2 play makers.

Cech Cech Cech

Azp Luiz Terry Cole Azp Ivan Luiz Bertrand Ivan Luiz Terry Cole

Ramires or Ramires Mikel

Willian Mata Oscar Hazard KDB Oscar Van Ginkel Hazard Shcurrle Mata Oscar hazard

Lukaku Lukaku Torres

THIS.

4-1-4-1 is the way forward! Bayern use this formation and it wont be long until most top teams start using this system imo.

I would love to see us start playing this team in upcoming games

Cech

Ivanoivc - Luiz - Terry - Cole

Ramires

Willian - Oscar - Mata - Hazard

Eto'o

[didierforever 7,349]

Things that will definitely be happening in this match:

1. Lukaku will not start

2. Schurrle will not start

3. Torres probably will start

4. Oscar and Hazard will 100% start

5. Mata will probably start

6. Ramires will definitely start

7. Back four and Cech will stay in the team

So the only change for MU game is Lampard will probably/hopefully be dropped for Mikel/Essien and Schurrle will be dropped for Torres

definitely and probably dont go well together.

[bushman 2,043]

Speculations & more of it. Everywhere I read, the krauts are out for revenge. Peppy even rested his top players recently.

I hope, Jose fields one of his bus depot squads, so the team won´t get creamed.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

The thing is, many of the 'new' formations out there are all just variations of the same...

With 4 on the back, there are really only 4-4-2/4-2-3-1/4-3-3. The rest are just inventions that dont praticly change anything!

4-5-1, 4-2-1-3 and 4-4-1-1 are all hidden 4-2-3-1s; 4-1-2-1-2 and 4-2-2-2 are all different 4-4-2s; and those Arsenal like lineups of 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-1-2 are all 4-3-3s.

The only cool formation that allows a good bit of creativity is by playing with 3 on the back (3-4-3, 3-5-2, 3-6-1, etc), the rest is all just managers trying to pretend they are football.

Anyways mate, my intent was just to show that we will be playing 4-2-3-1 and end of story. Of course we can hope Jose asks for attacking players to track back and defend for their lifes, but it will always be 4-2-3-1 no matter what we do. For instance, our wingers tracked back a lot in the Manure fixture, but I didnt hear anyone saying it wasnt the classic 4-2-3-1.

Not that I find your idea bad, it is actually very good, but I dont like this notion of 183785938381 variations of the same formations. It seems to me that people (not a dig at you, please) like to complicate things just for the sake of it.

The team itself is really our best option though.

I dont like that.The apporach and the strategy the managers wants is crucial before every match, if you want to play a defensive approach even a 343 will be look like a 523 the whole match, just like our 4231 looked like a 6-3-1 since Rami and Lampard were in a very defensive positions most of the time.

433 is a very flexible formation, could change to a simple 442 in defensive position but if you want to build from the back, there is a difference playing with a 41212 than a 442 or a 443.Just like in the 2004-2005 season when we played against some sides with a 41212 formation (Just look at Bolton-Chelsea) against others, we used more pacey players on the wings in a 433 because we have to adept and play the strongest formation to suit the players we want to field.Drogba did not play much with Eidur when we played with only one striker (even if at times Gudjohnsen played with Lampard in midfield) and when we use the two strikers at the same time there is one winger or even two that are sacrificed in that match because we needed different profile to score.

[Beirut_Blues 306]

Doubt it, he'll see it as another trophy for our and his collection

and another potential victory over pep

[Kisho 33]

Start with something that is tried and tested like:

ivan--luiz--terry--cole

-----mikel--ramires------

mata---Oscar---hazard---

---------Torres---------

Subs:

lukaku for torres

van ginkel for mikel/ramires

kdb for mata