Fernando Torres

[Kish9 50]

I will answer that. A WBA fan on here kinda inspired me, mate. 35 games played, 15 times as a sub - so 'much' as you call it is relative. Torres made 36 , came in as a sub 8. Not that drastic, is it?

Torres had 0,2 goals per match with a shot efficiency (shots tried/scored) of 12%.

Now ... Enter the sub guy for whom there is a reason (not-as the data show on his appearances, and WBA fans contradict) he is subbed:

Lukaku: 0,5 goals p/m and 17% efficiency.

But I know! Its he passing and link-up, right?

Let's see:

Torres: 6 assists, 69,5 % of his passes reached another player

Lukaku: 4 assists, 72,1 % of his passes reached another player

Oy! Lukaku 5 motm and Torres closeby ....

So, how is he in no form to have a go ta starting place is beyond me. You all are biased as fuck.

Biased? No. I just believe there must be a reason as to why Lukaku is not being considered first choice.

[robsblubot 3,595]

I will answer that. A WBA fan on here kinda inspired me, mate. 35 games played, 15 times as a sub - so 'much' as you call it is relative. Torres made 36 , came in as a sub 8. Not that drastic, is it?

Torres had 0,2 goals per match with a shot efficiency (shots tried/scored) of 12%.

Now ... Enter the sub guy for whom there is a reason (not-as the data show on his appearances, and WBA fans contradict) he is subbed:

Lukaku: 0,5 goals p/m and 17% efficiency.

But I know! Its he passing and link-up, right?

Let's see:

Torres: 6 assists, 69,5 % of his passes reached another player

Lukaku: 4 assists, 72,1 % of his passes reached another player

Oy! Lukaku 5 motm and Torres closeby ....

So, how is he in no form to have a go ta starting place is beyond me. You all are biased as fuck.

Fair points, but let me remind you all that Torres not being good enough does NOT make Lukaku good enough (much less Ba).

If we start Lukaku against top teams and he goes missing, I am NOT one to come to these forums and write that Lukaku is not that great and so on. He is what he is: a very promising young player who is probably ready to see a few games, but we should not put pressure on him - at least not any more than necessary.

Torres makes the big bucks so he must be the one to receive all criticism when things don't work out, not a 20 yo youngster. Yes, I would like Torres to move on, it might even help him regain some confidence if not form (it certainly would help Chelsea though). However, the situation is that Torres is still our player.

[Stingray 9,441]

Biased? No. I just believe there must be a reason as to why Lukaku is not being considered first choice.

You said : how many times did he start a match compared to being a sub? Maybe there is a reason why he was used as a sub so much?

I responded he started not much less than competitionless Torres while doing better somewhat :-).

There must be a reason, perhaps, but that argument is a bit unconvincing I believe, mate.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

I would like to say Lukaku is ready also but surely there is a reason neither of his EPL managers believe he is ready yet, he is going to be our most dangerous striker this season if he gets some game time

Please tell me how Clarke didn't think he was ready. He started in 20 matches and came in in practically all the others...

[bushman 2,043]

Biased? No. I just believe there must be a reason as to why Lukaku is not being considered first choice.

Do you have a clue about his ability at all ? Lukaku must start in some games soon. Otherwise, Chelsea end up just like with Sturridge. Lukaku is not going to sit on the fucking bench & play 10-15 minutes much longer. By January, either Jose gives him starts at least in every 3rd game, lower opposition, perhaps or he will tell Jose to fuck off. The kid has a great future ahead of him & he would be stupid to throw it away.

[Stingray 9,441]

Fair points, but let me remind you all that Torres not being good enough does NOT make Lukaku good enough (much less Ba)..

Ow but I much agree on that! Very, very much.

Still, for his age (on disregading his age as well) Lukaku had a great year (he had those at Anderlecht as well - this boy ran the line for Anderlecht with 'brille' since he is 16) like a boss may I add ! ).

I am no fanboy - he is too raw for me still. And maybe/certainly for a no 1 at Chelsea!

Concluding: Torres is not good enough and never will be. Lukaku is still unproven in a Chelsea type club, very much ! But he has the numbers to make us believe he has a shot at being good enough.

Question is whether if we put the boy on, and will he take the chance? If we never PUT him on .... We will never know will we ..

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

One of the other reasons Long still got his fair share of starts at WBA in the second half of the season, is that Clarke knew Lukaku was a goner. Better keep the striker you actually own happy enough to face the coming seasoh.

[haranr 485]

OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT!!!! CANT TAKE THIS CUNT ANYMORE!!!!!!

[Kish9 50]

You said : how many times did he start a match compared to being a sub? Maybe there is a reason why he was used as a sub so much?

I responded he started not much less than competitionless Torres while doing better somewhat :-).

There must be a reason, perhaps, but that argument is a bit unconvincing I believe, mate.

42.85% times Lukaku came off the bench

22.22% times Torres came off the bench

I personally dont think thats close

[Stingray 9,441]

42.85% times Lukaku came off the bench

22.22% times Torres came off the bench

I personally dont think thats close

Lol. Thats such a small difference when seeing the total numbers. 35/15 versus 36/8 in absolutes. The former being much younger, having better numbers. Also Torres scoring almost no winners.

That doesn't impress me. The % sounds awesome, but means little. Those numbers actually mean Lukaku did better. I hope you realize that, becuase you just proved it with your line of reasoning ....

[Kish9 50]

Lol. Thats such a small difference when seeing the total numbers. 35/15 versus 36/8 in absolutes. The former being much younger, having better numbers. Also Torres scoring almost no winners.

That doesn't impress me. The % sounds awesome, but means little. Those numbers actually mean Lukaku did better. I hope you realize that, becuase you just proved it with your line of reasoning ....

No...you have me wrong, i believe Lukaku is miles better than Torres, its a no contest really, and i know Lukakus stats against Torres last season, i was just saying how he wasnt really able to get a start last season and how that might just continue for this season. We might not be able to understand that but maybe Mou has his reasons

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I dont understand what some people here are discussing. What are you claiming? Statistics to show what, that Torres isnt as bad as some people think? Might be true, he is MUCH WORSE.

Some people have told me Im a jerk for calling Torres a cunt and whatnot, and that I should support him because he's a Chelsea player.

My answer is: No player is greater than the club itself. I consider Torres a cancer that needs to be removed. He is damaging our club. He was a huge part in Sturridge leaving, he's also a reason Lukaku wont get as much playtime as he should. He makes fans feel frustrated and he keeps us from winning more than we should.

So, I will NOT support him just because he's a Chelsea player when clearly he is BAD for the club.

FUCK OFF FROM MY CLUB TORRES!!!

[edenhazard17 281]

542 pages !!

Think we should make Torres Part 2 thread in a couple of years.

[Parky 739]

Think of how many hungry kids could have been fed instead of this rubbish of a player. £50,000,000 wasted on a fool.

He is laughing at us and his teammates with his £190,000 / week wages..

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Some people are just beyond sad.