Oscar

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

oliver twist was expecting a youngster to come from brazil into a top European team and score 600+ goals in his first season?

what a mug

Yes, but he scored 4 goals in 34 Premier League games one of which was a penalty so the people talking about him as if he's one of the best player in the world are being ridiculous..He shows excellent potential but the finished product simply was not there for Chelsea last season. He's young, he played a lot of games last season, he does other things than score, and he was making a big jump up in leagues so his so-so season was to be expected, but he's far from being a world-class talent at this point. His 4 goals and 5 assists in 34 games, his 3 goals on 59 shots from open play are feeble for an attacking player (To put in comparison, Jordan Henderson had a better offensive output while taking almost half the number of shots) .

[The Skipper 20,609]

Yes, but he scored 4 goals in 34 Premier League games one of which was a penalty so the people talking about him as if he's one of the best player in the world are being ridiculous..He shows excellent potential but the finished product simply was not there for Chelsea last season. He's young, he played a lot of games last season, he does other things than score, and he was making a big jump up in leagues so his so-so season was to be expected, but he's far from being a world-class talent at this point. His 4 goals and 5 assists in 34 games, his 3 goals on 59 shots from open play are feeble for an attacking player (To put in comparison, Jordan Henderson had a better offensive output while taking almost half the number of shots) .

I don't think anyone is saying he's one of the best players in the world. What we are saying though is that he is one of the best young talents out there. No one is saying he's the finished product at all - what we're discussing about here is whether Oscar deserves to be mentioned as one of the better prospects in the world, and I think he definitely is.

Yeah, okay, he only scored 4 in the PL but he scored 5 in 6 appearances in the CL.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

I don't think anyone is saying he's one of the best players in the world. What we are saying though is that he is one of the best young talents out there. No one is saying he's the finished product at all - what we're discussing about here is whether Oscar deserves to be mentioned as one of the better prospects in the world, and I think he definitely is.

Yeah, okay, he only scored 4 in the PL but he scored 5 in 6 appearances in the CL.

There are many many great young talents out there and yes Oscar is one of them. Go back and look at the pages and pages of people gushing over his class. Yes, he could get there but when you break it down, he is someone who had about 5 or 6 excellent games all of last season and had many many games where he was invisible. The person who was on before (forget their username maybe "bite" or something) who was always talking about Oscar being crap was way off base, but as for Oscar being overrated, yes, right now he is vastly overrated compared to what he's accomplished. I think he's likely to have a very good season under Mourinho mind you.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Yes, but he scored 4 goals in 34 Premier League games one of which was a penalty so the people talking about him as if he's one of the best player in the world are being ridiculous..He shows excellent potential but the finished product simply was not there for Chelsea last season. He's young, he played a lot of games last season, he does other things than score, and he was making a big jump up in leagues so his so-so season was to be expected, but he's far from being a world-class talent at this point. His 4 goals and 5 assists in 34 games, his 3 goals on 59 shots from open play are feeble for an attacking player (To put in comparison, Jordan Henderson had a better offensive output while taking almost half the number of shots) .

Xavi has 53 goals in 444 games for Barcelona (which is around the same as Oscar's 4/34), so I guess Henderson is a better player (or goal scorer if you will) because of that...

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Xavi has 53 goals in 444 games for Barcelona (which is around the same as Oscar's 4/34), so I guess Henderson is a better player (or goal scorer if you will) because of that...

Xavi is a central midfielder. His primary function is to move the ball and set up the attack score and he's been one of the best in the world in doing that for year. Xavi had a 95% passing rate. Oscar's was 83% Oscar is an attacking midfielder. If an attacking midfielder isn't scoring, he might be useful, but he certainly can't be considered anything special. (I will also add that Oscar didn't even get many assists. You can be a great midfielder if you're setting up goals left and right, it's different of course. You can't be a great attacking midfielder and have 4 goals and 5 assists in 34 matches. It's just not possible. )

[Stingray 9,441]

^ Stingray, I'm an Oscar, Mata, KDB and Hazard defender. Is that allowed?

Of course ... I had him in my sig myself for almost a year. Still ... I think he should bring more next year (so does Hazard imo) but it seems a touchy subject for some to debate on.

Plus: you said it correctly 'when he puts that yellow shirt on'. This is Chelsea for me - not the brazilian NT - no offense to the brazilian guys on here

Meanwhile it seems ok now to doubt Mata - in spite of his performances this season - for some. Double standards at least here!

That is all i am saying.

[Hutcho 8,443]

He has got a lot to prove this season and really try and establish a spot in this team long term. Hazard is expected to push on after a great first season, and Mata has obviously been phenomenel the past 2 seasons. And with the likes of KDB and Schurrle here, it is important for oscar that he really steps up and makes his mark. So much potential and talent, and this season could be the season he really shows it in a chelsea shirt.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Xavi is a central midfielder. His primary function is to move the ball and set up the attack score and he's been one of the best in the world in doing that for year. Xavi had a 95% passing rate. Oscar's was 83% Oscar is an attacking midfielder. If an attacking midfielder isn't scoring, he might be useful, but he certainly can't be considered anything special. (I will also add that Oscar didn't even get many assists. You can be a great midfielder if you're setting up goals left and right, it's different of course. You can't be a great attacking midfielder and have 4 goals and 5 assists in 34 matches. It's just not possible.

You are ignoring all important facts about Oscar, just throwing some deceiving stats to make a flawed case...

[Weckerz 3,781]

I like him, even though he didn't always play well.. He oozes class imo. Hopefully the addition of KDB and Schurrle will bring out the best in all of our attacking talent.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

The sole reason for this debate is simple - Oscar plays like a world-class talent for Brazil but hasn't shown that form in a Chelsea shirt yet, apart from a game here or there. So people who mainly watch Chelsea will def criticize him whereas those who have seen him perform for Brazil will defend him because regardless of competition for his place, he gets in that Brazil team because he really is one of their best players.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

You are ignoring all important facts about Oscar, just throwing some deceiving stats to make a flawed case...

It's not deceiving stats at all. He's an attacking midfielder. His primary job is to create goals. If he is not creating goals, he can still be useful, but he's not a top player. You cannot be a top attacking player and not produce goals. I don't care how well you track back or dribble. As I said, I think he will get there but he's not there yet.

[lucio 5,418]

Yes, but he scored 4 goals in 34 Premier League games one of which was a penalty so the people talking about him as if he's one of the best player in the world are being ridiculous..He shows excellent potential but the finished product simply was not there for Chelsea last season. He's young, he played a lot of games last season, he does other things than score, and he was making a big jump up in leagues so his so-so season was to be expected, but he's far from being a world-class talent at this point. His 4 goals and 5 assists in 34 games, his 3 goals on 59 shots from open play are feeble for an attacking player (To put in comparison, Jordan Henderson had a better offensive output while taking almost half the number of shots) .

7 assists

[lucio 5,418]

It's not deceiving stats at all. He's an attacking midfielder. His primary job is to create goals. If he is not creating goals, he can still be useful, but he's not a top player. You cannot be a top attacking player and not produce goals. I don't care how well you track back or dribble. As I said, I think he will get there but he's not there yet.

Same amount of assists as david Silva last season in all comps. And with our vastly shitter strikers

[Dion 2,476]

I'm really looking forward to see his performances this season under Mourinho and better fitness. I'm still a bit disappointed with his performances thus far. Having seen his performances for youth teams, his debut for Sao Paulo's main team, some of Internacional's matches and most of his NT appearances, I expected more in a blue shirt, even considering his long streak of games and first EPL season. I expected him to have improved more than what I saw. I'm hoping it has to do with fatigue and playing out of position, because some years ago I would bet money that Oscar would be already making a huge impact against the best teams in the world by now.

[lucio 5,418]

I'm really looking forward to see his performances this season under Mourinho and better fitness. I'm still a bit disappointed with his performances thus far. Having seen his performances for youth teams, his debut for Sao Paulo's main team, some of Internacional's matches and most of his NT appearances, I expected more in a blue shirt, even considering his long streak of games and first EPL season. I expected him to have improved more than what I saw. I'm hoping it has to do with fatigue and playing out of position, because some years ago I would bet money that Oscar would be already making a huge impact against the best teams in the world by now.

He did make impact in the big matches , goals vs juve and shaktar , assists vs United

[Dion 2,476]

He did make impact in the big matches , goals vs juve and shaktar , assists vs United

Yeah, but he also went missing in other big games later on. That's why I hope that was just fatigue. Still, I've observed this pattern of playing extremely well and then going missing in some games after that even before his transfer to Chelsea, which makes me worry a bit. Even if that's something to be expected in young players, especially when they're coming to a new league, it would be another sign of talent if Oscar didn't struggle with those conditions.

[Barbara 15,149]

I think he has the tools and now he has a great manager to help him to get there.

I'm looking forward to him having a great season. I just don't get some of the expectations about his first season there. Especially based on his personality, on how he plays...I mean while I know he can do much better and I hope he does, I didn't expect him to go to a league like EPL and just continue from where he stopped and show some mild struggle. I don't think that kind of expectation is fair.

He definitely deserve some criticism, but I'm giving the kid a break because of the crazy amount of matched he played, the transition itself and his personality. He's not going to be the next Iniesta... then again nobody out there now will

[DDA 9,937]

The sole reason for this debate is simple - Oscar plays like a world-class talent for Brazil but hasn't shown that form in a Chelsea shirt yet, apart from a game here or there. So people who mainly watch Chelsea will def criticize him whereas those who have seen him perform for Brazil will defend him because regardless of competition for his place, he gets in that Brazil team because he really is one of their best players.

He is yet to replecate the same form from Internation to Club level because at Brazil he plays number 10 and at Chelsea he has been played out wider. I'm fully aware that you know this but sometimes you have to spell out the obvious for members of this forum. Give him the 10 role at Chelsea and watch him run riot. Just such a shame we have Mata owning that position too.

[Peace. 4,352]

Well, Oscar has to redouble his defensive efforts because the other attacking midfielders aren't good at defending — and that's an understatement. And as he isn't sur-human, the volume of work and energy he puts in defensive actions, he cannot put them into offensive actions. And because of the context, he was always going to be the third wheel of the cart regarding the offensive phases.

That's just like if two people make 90% of the food for the diner ; the third one will only be able to cook the dessert and to wash-up the utensils. That third man won't have his place under the sun as the one who made the cooking, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a significant and necessary participation to the diner.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Agreed with Peace...

I'm still blown away by the negativity... As a club we cannot win...

2 years ago: All our players are too old!!!

We purchased youthful prospects - think that satisfied people?

Last season: XYZ Player didn't perform!!!! We expect more... Blah blah

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Jeeeesus! You can't buy young talented prospects, drop them in the EPL and expect instant success... It's a 3-4 season investment!!!

I swear Football Manager and FIFA have really fucked up people's perception of 'adaptability' and 'team chemistry' - just because it means fuck all on those games, don't think for a second it doesn't matter in the REAL world - because it DOES

Lets all chill out and leave the player bashing alone - lets revisit this thread come May next year, then we'll see how much progress has been made.

The lad is talented no doubt, and I'm sure Jose will help improve him further! He could be the new Lampard, although I think Ramy is trying to stake a claim for that role with his goals in Pre-season

So lets leave the player bashing to other fans of other teams - we have a great squad this season and a great manager and Oscar will do well...