David Luiz

[Azpinator 2,325]

Today, I read Luiz may be a part of Higuain deal. Well, not sure how reliable these stories are, but I personally feel Luiz is not what Jose is looking for. Just on Wendesday, Jose was yelling at him not to hoof the ball at the end of that game. Clearly, Jose has not much trust in Luiz, I feel. For some, he may be a good player, but for Jose, he is not. Luiz makes too many childish decisions, I feel.

As pointed above, cash in on him.

What Wednesday? You shouldn't be spreading Twitter rumors, I feel.

[robsblubot 3,530]

Do we? This is Chelsea we are talking about, the Chelsea that signed Torres for £50m instead of Aguero for £38m, the same Chelsea that sign 6 top class attacking midfielders while leaving the team with 3 useless strikers that can't get into the worse teams in the league. So I doubt Chelsea knew what they were doing

not talking about success or quality here, but styles, characteristics.

It's like buying a Lamborghini and expecting the low upkeep of a honda.

My point remains his characteristics have not changed one bit, and Brazil is absolutely fine with that. Just like others would be, hence his current valuation. That's why the comparison makes no sense - try and sell Torres for 50m right now... remember Matic was worth what 5m then? That has nothing to do with Luiz.

Again, there are many systems in football. Jose's isn't the only one, nor is it the best one according to many, myself included.

Consistency is relative to the system and how well the players and their characteristics work in that system. People talking about consistency ignore the atrocious games the duo Gary and Terry had, conceding 2-3 goals per game.

[bushman 2,043]

What Wednesday? You shouldn't be spreading Twitter rumors, I feel.

Hey Volt what twitter rumors ?

At the end of the game Luiz hoofed the ball, instead of carry on with it. Have you watched the game ?

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I don't think it's underrated at all. Everyone knows about this aspect of Luiz's game. It's the best of him. He can read a play beautifully Intercepting a pass and turning it the other way. There are just a lot of negatives with the rest Luiz's game when he's off like he has been much of this year (poor in the air, too many silly mistakes, poor positioning, inefficient passing, inefficient shooting).

We all know luiz has his mistakes. We know he can make some like against cardiff. But its not like he does that in every match he plays.

We have a problem of breaking down teams that sit deep. Because our central midfielders dont know how to send a long pass, we need luiz against the smaller teams

Dont you notice how the movement of our attacking four gets better when luiz is on the ball since they know he can easily find them with a long pass??

These smaller teams sit deep and allow our center backs to hold the ball so if luiz doesnt play, we watch a borefest of terry and cahill pass to each other and then to ivanovic all game.

The positives outweigh the negatives in my opinion, especially when we are comparing them to the other option we have which is cahill.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

not talking about success or quality here, but styles, characteristics.

It's like buying a Lamborghini and expecting the low upkeep of a honda.

My point remains his characteristics have not changed one bit, and Brazil is absolutely fine with that. Just like others would be, hence his current valuation. That's why the comparison makes no sense - try and sell Torres for 50m right now... remember Matic was worth what 5m then? That has nothing to do with Luiz.

Again, there are many systems in football. Jose's isn't the only one, nor is it the best one according to many, myself included.

Consistency is relative to the system and how well the players and their characteristics work in that system. People talking about consistency ignore the atrocious games the duo Gary and Terry had, conceding 2-3 goals per game.

Kind of agree with you but for the last part, no one is defending Cahill and many people wanted Terry out toward the end of last season. It all happens with time and what these players do with it. For example no one would say a single bad thing about Torres after that City game, but now we all know it is all just a fluke again. Many people are criticizing Luiz atm because he is not playing well and had far more negative periods(playing badly) in the past than good ones. For example I am sure if he scores the winner on Sunday no one would say A SINGLE BAD thing about Luiz even if he scores 2 own goals. The positive always outweigh the negative. But for Luiz, there isn't really positive to talk about. The one main thing that kept some people off his back: his goals have also dried up meaning he hardly contribute to the team atm.

That is why even legends like Cole and Lampard are being questioned atm, because they aren't playing well at all. So no matter how consistency or how good a player have been in the past, it is the present that count. That is why all the talk of potential is annoying.

[robsblubot 3,530]

Lamps and cole are being measured against their younger versions.

David is being measured against the player he never was, nor will be.

Goals were never really part of his repertoire, technical ability spec passing is. If his assets are deemed unimportant then yeah he should be sold.

[-Kaplan- 410]

Do we? This is Chelsea we are talking about, the Chelsea that signed Torres for £50m instead of Aguero for £38m, the same Chelsea that sign 6 top class attacking midfielders while leaving the team with 3 useless strikers that can't get into the worse teams in the league. So I doubt Chelsea knew what they were doing

I can't wait until him and Mata become great players at other teams; they deserve better than this pablum.

Liverpool still hang onto Suarez, yet we toss aside players who love the club, but make the weird mistake.

Or maybe it's just this forum. . . .

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Well this thread is depressing...

Anyway, I was just coming here to say that he had a very good game vs Swansea. Defensively, he was very good and offensively, his passing ability really catches opposition out.

[robsblubot 3,530]

Well this thread is depressing...

Anyway, I was just coming here to say that he had a very good game vs Swansea. Defensively, he was very good and offensively, his passing ability really catches opposition out.

Nonsense - David is the new Mikel...

Well, shouldn't you guys be out there trying to find out what happened to Phil?! you know, the real one, not the person who's been posting under his name lately.

[Azpinator 2,325]

Hey Volt what twitter rumors ?

At the end of the game Luiz hoofed the ball, instead of carry on with it. Have you watched the game ?

It was Thursday not Wednesday. Luiz being a part in the Higuain deal is the twitter rumor.

[lionsden 4,689]

On what basis is david luiz world class. what is the definition and criteria being used here.

let's not cheapen that word as it deserves to only be used in association with the elite and super consistent and reliable players.

[robsblubot 3,530]

On what basis is david luiz world class. what is the definition and criteria being used here.

let's not cheapen that word as it deserves to only be used in association with the elite and super consistent and reliable players.

can play football.

[lionsden 4,689]

can play football.

lol I always knew Zlatan and Ronaldo are world class centrebacks potentially (I will be using this word a lot now). they can play football and physically gifted too. let's buy the portuguese as JT's replacement since, apparently, he has the most important qualities of a world class defender i.e technical ability and built.

[robsblubot 3,530]

lol I always knew Zlatan and Ronaldo are world class centrebacks potentially (I will be using this word a lot now). they can play football and physically gifted too. let's buy the portuguese as JT's replacement since, apparently, he has the most important qualities of a world class defender i.e technical ability and built.

you are right... technical ability does not matter at all - kicking the football is overrated in football... And yes, CBs, like the GK, are completely different beasts as they don't have to kick the football all all.

you really do play a different game in England. We Brazilians are simple people indeed, because we rate/measure all the players who have to kick the football exactly the same way (that's why we have mostly shitty GKs): either you are good enough or well, go ahead and find a different profession.

The abilities you rate the most, composure and physicality, are really auxiliary. That's why passing and first touch are considered fundamental skills.

[Despiadado.Maleante 1,046]

Lol at Luiz being world class. The only world class cb's are thiago Silva, kompany and a fit vidic. Luiz can't be compared to any of these players

[lionsden 4,689]

you are right... technical ability does not matter at all - kicking the football is overrated in football... And yes, CBs, like the GK, are completely different beasts as they don't have to kick the football all all.

you really do play a different game in England. We Brazilians are simple people indeed, because we rate/measure all the players who have to kick the football exactly the same way (that's why we have mostly shitty GKs): either you are good enough or well, go ahead and find a different profession.

The abilities you rate the most, composure and physicality, are really auxiliary. That's why passing and first touch are considered fundamental skills.

Well we just seem to differ in our interpretation of the most important characteristics of great centrebacks which to me falls into two category.

Mental qualities: Determination,concentration, temperament, courage and decision making

Tactical awareness: positioning,anticipation, tackling, communication, organisation skills,aerial ability .. . .

technical ability falls below those qualities everyday of the week for me and like I said before, I will take a technically average player that possess the characteristics listed in abundance over a "David Luiz" everytime.

For example JT was never the quickest defender even in his prime, Vidic has never possessed good/great passing ability,Hyypia,Tony adams,Thuram, carragher et al were never the most technically mesmerizing defenders nor the quickest and cannavaro wasn't a freak of nature physically but they were all able to dominate due to the fact that they possessed and relied on those qualities which I believe are more important than technical ability and physical gifts.

[Tomo 21,733]

Lol at Luiz being world class. The only world class cb's are thiago Silva, kompany and a fit vidic. Luiz can't be compared to any of these players

Vidic? this is 2013 not 2009.

[lionsden 4,689]

Vidic? this is 2013 not 2009.

The 2013 version of Vidic (when fit) is still more reliable than Luiz same way JT has outperformed him this season. for some players, class is permanent