Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[bushman 2,043]

I´d add Schurrle in. I believe, he is coming for 23m.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

When you're buying you can amortise the transfer fee over the length of a players contract, hence the likes of Hazard and Oscar's fees over 5 years. However when you sell players you are able to recognise the transfer fee immediately in that current period...welcome to the murky world of football finances!

A couple of points to make on that:

• You also have to take into account that we would still be amortising the likes of Torres and Mata's contracts as well.
• There were a lot of commercial deals done after our Champions League win which I believe were rather lucrative. These wouldn't have been accounted for in last year's accounts where we made a profit.
• Because of amortising over the length of contracts, the transfer fee's are not as bad as people think. The biggest killer is wages and we have taken steps over the last couple of seasons to bring our wage bill down replacing older high earners with younger lower earners. Factor in the likes of Ferreira, Benayoun and Malouda definitely going to go; the likes of Terry, Torres and Essien's futures uncertain and Lampard reportedly taking a pay cut and we'll have a good degree of flexibility next season with a lower wage bill.

Well, I'd be very happy if that's the case, although, tbh, that doesn't make much sense to me, especially the first point.

[Super-Mario 74]

--Mata-------Cavani/Lewa--------Hazard

------------Ramires------Moutinho-----

----------------------Luiz-------------------

--Cole------Ivanovic---NEW SIGNING--Azpi

---------------------Cech------------------

[The Skipper 20,609]

But it's not 50m that we have to spend because like I said, you did not divide the fees of Sturridge and Meireles by 5, so it's closer to 30m. Now let's assume we spend 50m in fees, or 10m per year assuming they all sign 5 year contracts, that still leaves the wages which are the biggest expenses that you forgot. 40m per year in wages equates to about 380K/week. So if we say we use those 50m to buy 4 players, that means that on average each one of them gets 95k/wk. That seems to me about right.

Even with your optimistic figures, I still honestly think that 50m is our limit, not because of the 50m itself but because of the wages we will be adding unless we can get major players to agree on wages below 100k.

On any account, I don;t think we need to spend more than 50m to challenge for the tittle. We need two major signings in a CM and "Schurrle/Rooney signing" for about 30-40m and a couple of squad players for 10-15m.

No that's where you get it wrong - the club are not going to amortise Sturridge or Meireles' fees. There's no need for that, and it's exactly why FFP isn't as effective as people make it out to be.

Let's say we have a budget of around £50m (amortised) in FFP terms and let's use your example where wages will be around £10m a year extra. With £100m being amortised into £20m, that'd be a total of £30m spent which still makes it more than possible in my opinion.

Anyway, there's no use speculating to be honest, we'll have to wait when the club releases it's official account to see where we really are. I still think that we can spend £100m if we want to but we probably won't - I think it'll be at around £60m/£70m/£80m max. We'll just have to wait and see though.

[Strike 7,527]

This pic maybe a bit old now but I would take any DM from that list over Mikel, except Conti and Arteta obviously

[Rmpr 8,977]

LOL at all the Monaco rumours, the next in line will be Neymar for 100mi euros! :lol2:

[Sheva. 5,373]

This pic maybe a bit old now but I would take any DM from that list over Mikel, except Conti and Arteta obviously

Gonalons or Capoue please.

[Phil Driver 503]

I heard that Luke Shaw is not a case of "If" but "When" .

This one is a no brainer .

[lucio 5,418]

This pic maybe a bit old now but I would take any DM from that list over Mikel, except Conti and Arteta obviously

gonalons stats are fantastic. and he is a leader too.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

Apparently city is close to signing isco and jesus navas.

[Yeboii 1,844]

Apparently city is close to signing isco and jesus navas.

Doesnt Jesus Navas have a problem with leaving home?

[DDA 9,983]

Doesnt Jesus Navas have a problem with leaving home?

How would he play a game if he can't leave his home?

Unless he lives in the Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán Stadium at Sevilla FC!!!

But even then he would be up shit creek for away games!

[Mufassir08 2,400]

Doesnt Jesus Navas have a problem with leaving home?

He has apparently overcame his homesickness.

Btw i was just thinking if city sign both of them then they have their own version of mazacar only it would be called silcovas probably.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2326813/Chelsea-chasing-Andre-Schurrle-Wallace-Luke-Shaw.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Mourinho isn't in yet but Chelsea are pushing to sign Wallace, Schurrle and Shaw

Gotta love this journalism. Apparently we are "chasing Wallce" yep, the same wallce we already signed in January...

[didierforever 7,349]

ok. now that the season is over and jose is coming back, i seriously feel we would make just one or 2 big signings. lets see the squad right now

goalkeepers - cech, turnbull (h), blackman (h)

defenders - JT (h), Luiz, cahill (h), iva, cole (h), bert (h), cesar, kalas/wallace(h).

mid-fielders (pivot) - lampard (h), essien, ramires, mikel, romeu.

mid-fielders (behind the striker)- mata, hazard, oscar, kdb, moses (h), NEW SIGNING(SCHURLLE)

strikers - BA, lukaku (h), BIG SIGNING (cavani/falcao/lewandowski)

(h) - homegrown

DEFENDERS - cant see a big signing.

PIVOT - with jose we know that he wont let go off essien in any way, ramires and lampard are too valuable. so for any big signing in the midfield as is necessary we need to offload mikel and/or romeu.

FRONT 3 - as the schurlle deal seems to be almost done, i dont think their will be anything more.

STRIKER - got to sell torres first thing in this window.

all in all for the transfer window :

out - torres (15-20mil), marin (3-4 mil), malouda (free), yossi (free), ferreira (retired), kakuta (2-3mil)

in - schurlle (20 mil), STRIKER (30-40mil).

[DDA 9,983]

No that's where you get it wrong - the club are not going to amortise Sturridge or Meireles' fees. There's no need for that, and it's exactly why FFP isn't as effective as people make it out to be.

Let's say we have a budget of around £50m (amortised) in FFP terms and let's use your example where wages will be around £10m a year extra. With £100m being amortised into £20m, that'd be a total of £30m spent which still makes it more than possible in my opinion.

Anyway, there's no use speculating to be honest, we'll have to wait when the club releases it's official account to see where we really are. I still think that we can spend £100m if we want to but we probably won't - I think it'll be at around £60m/£70m/£80m max. We'll just have to wait and see though.

Maths + Football = Hurt head

=S

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Maybe it would be better to instead of buying an overpriced striker, make Lukaku 1st striker and save the money for 60m Bale. He scores a winner out of nothing every 2nd game, we would pay almost as much for Cavani or Falcoa, but Bale is younger and used to the EPL.

[Jype 6,398]

ok. now that the season is over and jose is coming back, i seriously feel we would make just one or 2 big signings. lets see the squad right now

goalkeepers - cech, turnbull (h), blackman (h)

defenders - JT (h), Luiz, cahill (h), iva, cole (h), bert (h), cesar, kalas/wallace(h).

mid-fielders (pivot) - lampard (h), essien, ramires, mikel, romeu.

mid-fielders (behind the striker)- mata, hazard, oscar, kdb, moses (h), NEW SIGNING(SCHURLLE)

strikers - BA, lukaku (h), BIG SIGNING (cavani/falcao/lewandowski)

(h) - homegrown

DEFENDERS - cant see a big signing.

PIVOT - with jose we know that he wont let go off essien in any way, ramires and lampard are too valuable. so for any big signing in the midfield as is necessary we need to offload mikel and/or romeu.

FRONT 3 - as the schurlle deal seems to be almost done, i dont think their will be anything more.

STRIKER - got to sell torres first thing in this window.

all in all for the transfer window :

out - torres (15-20mil), marin (3-4 mil), malouda (free), yossi (free), ferreira (retired), kakuta (2-3mil)

in - schurlle (20 mil), STRIKER (30-40mil).

You would really go into the season with the midfield we've long ago deemed not good enough? A midfield consisting of Lampard, Ramires, Mikel, Romeu, Essien, Meireles wasn't anywhere near good enough last season and got us sixth in the league, so what makes you think the same midfield minus Meireles would be good enough now when they've all aged another year and some of them on the twilight of their careers? Ignoring the problems we've had here has been the biggest reasons for our downfall since winning the double under Carlo, even more than the fact we've had a striker who couldn't score in a brothel.

If Jose wants to keep Essien, he needs to play him in a similar role to the one he has played at Real Madrid, as a backup to nearly any position on the pitch. Right-back, left-back, deep midfield, attacking midfield, you name it. Can't have him being a starter any longer if we're to challenge for the title and there's no way Essien should be a reason for not buying the world class midfielder which our team desperately needs and I'm sure Mourinho too realizes there's no room for sentiment at this level. He's shown with Ricardo Carvalho at Real Madrid that he has no problem freezing out players from the team, even the ones he likes a lot, if they're not good enough any more so if he sees that with Essien, I'm fairly sure he will at least try to sell him.

Getting one or two new players in midfield has got to be the club's top priority this summer, even more so than getting a top class centre forward because for the striker department we could always recall Lukaku who's proven he's capable of scoring at least 20 league goals with the right manager and tactics. Daniele De Rossi and / or Ilkay Gündogan would be the dream signing(s) for me as far as midfield is concerned but getting the German can be tricky so other targets may have to be pursued. De Rossi however could be available for a reasonable price if one were to believe the stories in the media. Juventus also have lots of midfielders who would improve our team massively (Vidal, Marchisio, Asamoah, Pogba) and we could enguire how much they'd want for some of them. Maybe Juve would even want to take a punt on Torres, the striker who's scored more than double than their best goalscorer this season, so a deal could be struck for one of their star midfielders with Torres going the other way, how awesome would that be?

For the front 3 I would say one more new signing aside from Schürrle will be needed. Looking at the amount of games our current bunch of players have been forced to play this year, I'd say getting Schürrle alone won't be enough so it's either KdB back or another new signing there, the latter of which is looking more likely at the moment with all the reports of De Bruyne being either loaned out or even sold. If Mourinho sees something in Marin, Kakuta or Piazon to make him believe they're good enough to add proper depth to the team, then maybe no more will be needed but I think Jose will prefer buying someone more proven.

[Superblue 6,372]

One or two young signings and one or two players in their mid/late 20's would be the best way to go this summer. We're really not that far away IMO.

Shaw and Schurlle as the young signings and Rooney and De Rossi as the established names would be ideal.

[didierforever 7,349]

You would really go into the season with the midfield we've long ago deemed not good enough? A midfield consisting of Lampard, Ramires, Mikel, Romeu, Essien, Meireles wasn't anywhere near good enough last season and got us sixth in the league, so what makes you think the same midfield minus Meireles would be good enough now when they've all aged another year and some of them on the twilight of their careers? Ignoring the problems we've had here has been the biggest reasons for our downfall since winning the double under Carlo, even more than the fact we've had a striker who couldn't score in a brothel.

If Jose wants to keep Essien, he needs to play him in a similar role to the one he has played at Real Madrid, as a backup to nearly any position on the pitch. Right-back, left-back, deep midfield, attacking midfield, you name it. Can't have him being a starter any longer if we're to challenge for the title and there's no way Essien should be a reason for not buying the world class midfielder which our team desperately needs and I'm sure Mourinho too realizes there's no room for sentiment at this level. He's shown with Ricardo Carvalho at Real Madrid that he has no problem freezing out players from the team, even the ones he likes a lot, if they're not good enough any more so if he sees that with Essien, I'm fairly sure he will at least try to sell him.

Getting one or two new players in midfield has got to be the club's top priority this summer, even more so than getting a top class centre forward because for the striker department we could always recall Lukaku who's proven he's capable of scoring at least 20 league goals with the right manager and tactics. Daniele De Rossi and / or Ilkay Gündogan would be the dream signing(s) for me as far as midfield is concerned but getting the German can be tricky so other targets may have to be pursued. De Rossi however could be available for a reasonable price if one were to believe the stories in the media. Juventus also have lots of midfielders who would improve our team massively (Vidal, Marchisio, Asamoah, Pogba) and we could enguire how much they'd want for some of them. Maybe Juve would even want to take a punt on Torres, the striker who's scored more than double than their best goalscorer this season, so a deal could be struck for one of their star midfielders with Torres going the other way, how awesome would that be?

For the front 3 I would say one more new signing aside from Schürrle will be needed. Looking at the amount of games our current bunch of players have been forced to play this year, I'd say getting Schürrle alone won't be enough so it's either KdB back or another new signing there, the latter of which is looking more likely at the moment with all the reports of De Bruyne being either loaned out or even sold. If Mourinho sees something in Marin, Kakuta or Piazon to make him believe they're good enough to add proper depth to the team, then maybe no more will be needed but I think Jose will prefer buying someone more proven.

i agree with the fact that we NEED atleast one world class midfielder. but then as i have written we will have to sell romeu and/or mikel. i would prefer off-loading mikel and getting witsel. moutinho is another option but his physicality is the only reason i would go for someone HUGE like witsel in the midfield. BVB have already lost gotze and probably will sell off lewandowski too, so cant see them selling gundogan unless its at some extreme price.

as for the juve swap, seems to fifa-ish. cant actually see that happen.

for the front 3 i think we will keep kdb and he will have a huge part to play next season. the reason schurlle deal has not finalised is because they want kdb in exchange but we are unwilling plus i dont think jose would let some1 of kdb's quality go.