Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

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On 2/2/2016 at 11:32 AM, bellion said:

I expect a repeat of last summer's dismal transfer window to occur again in this year's summer.

The Board is unwilling to spend big on world class players or even on quality up and coming players like they once did on Hazard.  Hence, forget about the likes of Griezmann, Stones, Laporte or Ruben Neves coming to the Bridge.

More Papys, Hectors and Miazgas are on the way and maybe a washed-out striker or midfielder as well.

Hail to the Board for saving a few pennies in trying to out-do Arsenal in scraping the bottom of the barrel for cheap and not-so-good buys.

I'd rather have a team of 'not-so-good' players that fit a specific philosophy than a collection of mercs that only get by on flashes of individual brilliance. I'd rather watch Chelsea develop into a attacking team for a few years, being frugal, buying the right players and maybe not winning too many trophies over panicking and buying expensive 'stars', winning trophies and having to go through a 'rebuild' period every third year.

The club doesn't need world class, it needs players that fit a specific tactical and philosophical approach to the game. Buying world class players and shoving them into the team is so stupid and is entirely unsustainable. 

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Allegri: Ain't nothing much, OG.

Pogba: Yo, I wanna join that team in London that has no stability, no continental football, no prospects of winning the league and no manager at the moment. JUST FUCK MY CAREER UP, YO!

Allegri: So no more, fam, I'll get on the phone.

 

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2 hours ago, Spike said:

I'd rather have a team of 'not-so-good' players that fit a specific philosophy than a collection of mercs that only get by on flashes of individual brilliance. I'd rather watch Chelsea develop into a attacking team for a few years, being frugal, buying the right players and maybe not winning too many trophies over panicking and buying expensive 'stars', winning trophies and having to go through a 'rebuild' period every third year.

The club doesn't need world class, it needs players that fit a specific tactical and philosophical approach to the game. Buying world class players and shoving them into the team is so stupid and is entirely unsustainable. 

With that, you get Arsenal.

So much for being stupid and sustainable.

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29 minutes ago, bellion said:

With that, you get Arsenal.

So much for being stupid and sustainable.

Arsenal is an extraordinary well run club and I have no idea why people give them stick.  They are possibly the most well run club in the world.

Go then, spend the Russian billionaire's cash, go spend the money of a man in a faltering economy. See how long the club will last with that model when that sugar daddy money stops being pumped in.

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59 minutes ago, Spike said:

Arsenal is an extraordinary well run club and I have no idea why people give them stick.  They are possibly the most well run club in the world.

Go then, spend the Russian billionaire's cash, go spend the money of a man in a faltering economy. See how long the club will last with that model when that sugar daddy money stops being pumped in.

true, but with a focus on building value through patient development of young players - not silverware.

Wenger wouldn't last long at Chelsea or City.

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1 hour ago, Spike said:

Arsenal is an extraordinary well run club and I have no idea why people give them stick.  They are possibly the most well run club in the world.

Go then, spend the Russian billionaire's cash, go spend the money of a man in a faltering economy. See how long the club will last with that model when that sugar daddy money stops being pumped in.

You can take your well run operations then - I wouldn't swap Chelsea's success for Arsenal's since Roman took over.

You have your wish now, the Board will continue to be obsessed on balancing the books regardless of FFP rules being enforced or not.

Meanwhile, get used to the club missing out on CL qualification for the foreseeable future.

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7 hours ago, Spike said:

I'd rather have a team of 'not-so-good' players that fit a specific philosophy than a collection of mercs that only get by on flashes of individual brilliance. I'd rather watch Chelsea develop into a attacking team for a few years, being frugal, buying the right players and maybe not winning too many trophies over panicking and buying expensive 'stars', winning trophies and having to go through a 'rebuild' period every third year.

The club doesn't need world class, it needs players that fit a specific tactical and philosophical approach to the game. Buying world class players and shoving them into the team is so stupid and is entirely unsustainable. 

This is it.  This team is full of square pegs in round holes.  It's about roles.  New manager, new formation, new style of play, new players needed.  1-2 players get signed, then we start the cycle again.  The higher ups need to figure out what they want this team to be, and stick to it, and let that influence the signing of managers and players.

We seem to be doing a Madrid, but without the money.

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2 hours ago, bellion said:

You can take your well run operations then - I wouldn't swap Chelsea's success for Arsenal's since Roman took over.

You have your wish now, the Board will continue to be obsessed on balancing the books regardless of FFP rules being enforced or not.

Meanwhile, get used to the club missing out on CL qualification for the foreseeable future.

Good for you, I never said I would either. Or did I?

Regardless of FFP balancing the books is a good thing. What you think the Russian money will stick around forever? Or would you rather the club continue to spend money illogically till there is nothing left and only a shell remains? Diamonds aren't forever and Jack Walker died in 2000.

Being frugal doesn't necessitate that, it never has and never will.

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2 hours ago, bellion said:

You can take your well run operations then - I wouldn't swap Chelsea's success for Arsenal's since Roman took over.

You have your wish now, the Board will continue to be obsessed on balancing the books regardless of FFP rules being enforced or not.

Meanwhile, get used to the club missing out on CL qualification for the foreseeable future.

That's kind of the issue.  It doesn't seem to be that well run.  I wouldn't trade our silverware for Arsenal's either.  

However, the club has obviously changed direction and are trying to fund a new stadium, just like Arsenal did.  Jose did a great job getting another trophy out of these guys, but they obviously couldn't sustain the level needed.

No one has their wish now.  You can't compare our situation to Arsenal's while also making the connection between balancing the books/funding a new stadium and missing out on CL football.  Arsenal were able to do that.  

While 9 years is obviously too long, I could certainly stand a few lean years if it meant that we could fund a new stadium and make the club more sustainable.  In order to do that, we have to buy the right kind of players, not just another superstar a la Madrid.  In order for this club to remain competitive while the money faucet is off, the purchases will have to be smarter.

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2 hours ago, Spike said:

Good for you, I never said I would either. Or did I?

Regardless of FFP balancing the books is a good thing. What you think the Russian money will stick around forever? Or would you rather the club continue to spend money illogically till there is nothing left and only a shell remains? Diamonds aren't forever and Jack Walker died in 2000.

Being frugal doesn't necessitate that, it never has and never will.

What's wrong with spending money on top quality players?  No one is suggesting illogical or crazy spending sprees.  On top of that, what about promoting youth into the first team?  Unlike Arsenal, that's something the Board or management doesn't do. 

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2 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

That's kind of the issue.  It doesn't seem to be that well run.  I wouldn't trade our silverware for Arsenal's either.  

However, the club has obviously changed direction and are trying to fund a new stadium, just like Arsenal did.  Jose did a great job getting another trophy out of these guys, but they obviously couldn't sustain the level needed.

No one has their wish now.  You can't compare our situation to Arsenal's while also making the connection between balancing the books/funding a new stadium and missing out on CL football.  Arsenal were able to do that.  

While 9 years is obviously too long, I could certainly stand a few lean years if it meant that we could fund a new stadium and make the club more sustainable.  In order to do that, we have to buy the right kind of players, not just another superstar a la Madrid.  In order for this club to remain competitive while the money faucet is off, the purchases will have to be smarter.

The club can start by promoting some of our youth prospects and believing that they will do a good job eventually instead of farming them out on endless loans or giving them 3 minute cameos. 

That would greatly reduce rubbish spending.  Oh and smarter scouting too like you suggested to unearth another Zouma supplemented with the occasional up-and-coming ala Hazard.

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14 hours ago, Spike said:

I'd rather have a team of 'not-so-good' players that fit a specific philosophy than a collection of mercs that only get by on flashes of individual brilliance. I'd rather watch Chelsea develop into a attacking team for a few years, being frugal, buying the right players and maybe not winning too many trophies over panicking and buying expensive 'stars', winning trophies and having to go through a 'rebuild' period every third year.

The club doesn't need world class, it needs players that fit a specific tactical and philosophical approach to the game. Buying world class players and shoving them into the team is so stupid and is entirely unsustainable. 

So what's the difference between Chelsea and Spurs ? I always thought that we can buy world-class talents and they don't.

 

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Chelsea have to buy themself out of this.

They certainly can buy 50-60m€ player. However he has to be worth it in their eyes. Otherwise they wait or move on.

They did wait last summer. They did bid for world-class talents. Their self-sustainable project is about setting their realistic valuation of the players and not going above this. How long can you wait ? I fear that if they fail with their bids again they have to overpay. And I don't know if they're ready for this. I fear they may again settle for lesser players because they didn't want to go above their limit and I hate this.

It will be the most interesting summer I remember. As I said I think they absolutely have to buy themself out for that one last time. There's too many clubs now who can buy good player. We have to buy great talents and 1-2 great players. Will they be eager to overpay for this, something they hate to do for years, that's the question. Depends how they are motivated.

 

 

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16 hours ago, bellion said:

The club can start by promoting some of our youth prospects and believing that they will do a good job eventually instead of farming them out on endless loans or giving them 3 minute cameos. 

That would greatly reduce rubbish spending.  Oh and smarter scouting too like you suggested to unearth another Zouma supplemented with the occasional up-and-coming ala Hazard.

This is why I'd like to see Potchettino as the manager.  He's done a great job at both Spurs and Southampton with bringing youth through the ranks.  We're absolutely going to have to rely on the academy and shrewd signings for the next few years.  

It's better long term as well, we're not the biggest spenders in the league anymore, and definitely not in terms of Europe.  The faucet has to get turned off sometime.  We need to find a way to be successful when that happens (kind of already has, it's not off, but it's not a broken hydrant like before).

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