Wishlist Robert Lewandowski

[Swoopz 183]

I don't really understand the point you're trying to make, I dont think you do either. Dortmund has implemented a certain way of football, a way in which their strikers would also compliment ours (go to YouTube and search for Borussia Barcelona, this is why they have players like Reus and why they play the way they do now). And your Torres statement doesn't pertain to any of this at all. It was an infactuated buy from Roman, thats widely known. So no need for the sarcastic ignorance, because now you just look like a jerkoff.

EDIT: I figured I would be a nice guy and do the hard work for you

[The only place to be 11,313]

I don't really understand the point you're trying to make, I dont think you do either. Dortmund has implemented a certain way of football, a way in which their strikers would also compliment ours (go to YouTube and search for Borussia Barcelona, this is why they have players like Reus and why they play the way they do now). And your Torres statement doesn't pertain to any of this at all. It was an infactuated buy from Roman, thats widely known. So no need for the sarcastic ignorance, because now you just look like a jerkoff.

EDIT: I figured I would be a nice guy and do the hard work for you

I know exactly how Dortmund play and I'm a big fan of what Klopp has done there.

My point is that no-one knows exactly how good a player will turn out to be and alluding to a 'hive mind' sensibility is a little unfair. The problem we have is that we don't know what football we'll be playing in 6 months time so it's hard to adjudicate quite how well a player will fit in long-term.

My personal preference is Falcao but that doesn't mean I don't like Lewandowski or Cavani as individuals. I just look at what we're trying to do right now and what it looks like we want to do further down the road and come to a conclusion.

[Swoopz 183]

I know exactly how Dortmund play and I'm a big fan of what Klopp has done there.

My point is that no-one knows exactly how good a player will turn out to be and alluding to a 'hive mind' sensibility is a little unfair. The problem we have is that we don't know what football we'll be playing in 6 months time so it's hard to adjudicate quite how well a player will fit in long-term.

My personal preference is Falcao but that doesn't mean I don't like Lewandowski or Cavani as individuals. I just look at what we're trying to do right now and what it looks like we want to do further down the road and come to a conclusion.

And you think you know what you're looking at, that's the problem. How is what you see in Falcao now, different than what you saw in Torres at his prime stage.

Really, you don't know shit about shit lol

[The only place to be 11,313]

And you think you know what you're looking at, that's the problem. How is what you see in Falcao different than what you remember seeing in Torres before we signed him?

Really, you don't know shit about shit lol

I don't pretend to know outcomes of transfers. All I can go on is a best guess based on the info available.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I know exactly how Dortmund play and I'm a big fan of what Klopp has done there.

My point is that no-one knows exactly how good a player will turn out to be and alluding to a 'hive mind' sensibility is a little unfair. The problem we have is that we don't know what football we'll be playing in 6 months time so it's hard to adjudicate quite how well a player will fit in long-term.

My personal preference is Falcao but that doesn't mean I don't like Lewandowski or Cavani as individuals. I just look at what we're trying to do right now and what it looks like we want to do further down the road and come to a conclusion.

I'm still quite intrigued about why you think Falcao would be a better fit than a Lewandowski or a Cavani. He doesn't offer nearly as much as those two do outside the box. Falcao is the ultimate poacher whilst Lewandowski or Cavani can bring in the likes of Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Moses etc. into goal scoring positions and thus making our team a lot more dangerous.

[Stingray 9,441]

Yep. Lewandowski looks great and should fit nicely. Recall Lukaku and KDB and use Torres as a sub :-)

Seriously though: all the same as before, though I would still love Cavani as well ....

[The only place to be 11,313]

I'm still quite intrigued about why you think Falcao would be a better fit than a Lewandowski or a Cavani. He doesn't offer nearly as much as those two do outside the box. Falcao is the ultimate poacher whilst Lewandowski or Cavani can bring in the likes of Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Moses etc. into goal scoring positions and thus making our team a lot more dangerous.

I agree on the differences but I just see our team's needs differently. I think we need a poacher who creates space for the likes of Mata and Hazard rather than someone who does quite so much work outside the box.

[Jase 43,479]

I agree on the differences but I just see our team's needs differently. I think we need a poacher who creates space for the likes of Mata and Hazard rather than someone who does quite so much work outside the box.

What makes you think that Lewandowski won't be able to create space for others with his off the movement? He's just as effective outside the box as he is inside of it. Whether it's holding the ball up, linking the play, play 1-2s or create space for others, he can do that.

We can talk about how much a goal poacher is great because they can convert chances to goals and all that but with how the game is developing now, a more all rounder striker like Lewandowski is much more valuable. It allows the team to play in more than 1 way and making us less predictable. You wanna go more direct and ask that ST to hold up the play and linking with others whether it's movement or playing 1-2s like Drogba used to do for us, he can do that. You want to ask him play on the last shoulder of the defenders, he can also do that.

Goal poachers are limited as a player. Give them chances to score and they'll score most of the time. However, if you don't give him chances, then we are practically playing with 10 men just like how things are sometimes with Torres playing upfront for us.

[Joker10 946]

Wow he's such an overrated around here. Yes he's very good, but no where near Cavani, Falcao, RVP and alot others... i know Dortmund fans who thinks he's overrated in general, now that doesnt say he is, but its give you something to think about. I dont think he's that a good finisher, and this is their problem with him.

Overrated as hell on this forum. When he is being credited for being a good finisher, you know most are talking out of their ass. He is average-horrible finisher, and that is apparent to any Bunde viewer.

Imo he is nothing more then above average. He has good movement and is excellent in his hold-up play, i will give him that and really does well in Dortmund system. I just cannot rate him as a striker because he has way too many Kalouless moments in front of the goal. Dortmund and klopp can do better then Lewandowski, and watch them replace him with a better striker for under 5m.

For me he is going to be another Kagawa or Sahin, decent players but truly maximized and look better then they are under Klopp.

I seriously hope United do buy him for 20m+.

[Sheva. 5,373]

watch them replace him with a better striker for under 5m.

We can never find this, but others teams do it with ease

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

that's why he was Bundesliga's best player last year? With 30 goals in 47 games? Besides, we are talking about 18-25 million here, like Mata, not fucking 50 or 60. But yeah, who cares about the money. We'll get rid of Cole, Lamps and other players, but we'll have an expensive striker!

you think if we buy a cheaper striker then SFL and ash will be kept longer? Of course not, its not a monetary issue with them its a age/contractual length issue.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

It has never ceased to amaze me how naive Chelsea are when it comes to running our transfers. They need only look on here for the facts from some of the games top experts to see what we need to do

[Madmax 9,219]

^ It's a football forum and you're in the 'Transfer Wishlist' section - stay out if the discussion bothers you so much. Shit sarcasm btw.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

^ It's a football forum and you're in the 'Transfer Wishlist' section - stay out if the discussion bothers you so much. Shit sarcasm btw.

oops, did I hit a nerve? It doesn't bother me, just feel inadequate amongst all the great footballing minds. Sorry for the shit sarcasm, perhaps you could school me on it some time

[The only place to be 11,313]

What makes you think that Lewandowski won't be able to create space for others with his off the movement? He's just as effective outside the box as he is inside of it. Whether it's holding the ball up, linking the play, play 1-2s or create space for others, he can do that.

We can talk about how much a goal poacher is great because they can convert chances to goals and all that but with how the game is developing now, a more all rounder striker like Lewandowski is much more valuable. It allows the team to play in more than 1 way and making us less predictable. You wanna go more direct and ask that ST to hold up the play and linking with others whether it's movement or playing 1-2s like Drogba used to do for us, he can do that. You want to ask him play on the last shoulder of the defenders, he can also do that.

Goal poachers are limited as a player. Give them chances to score and they'll score most of the time. However, if you don't give him chances, then we are practically playing with 10 men just like how things are sometimes with Torres playing upfront for us.

Sometimes it's best to go with specialists in one area rather than go for people who can do multiple things. You can have the best Plan A that you can and then develop a Plan B (such as going with Lukaku).

I also think it's tremendously myopic to view players in such limiting ways - Falcao is a poacher but he's also able to work in the build-up play too.

[Madmax 9,219]

oops, did I hit a nerve?

No, pointing out dickish behaviour for what it is.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

No, pointing out dickish behaviour for what it is.

alright fella cheers for that

[Jase 43,479]

Sometimes it's best to go with specialists in one area rather than go for people who can do multiple things. You can have the best Plan A that you can and then develop a Plan B (such as going with Lukaku).

Just look at the likes of Tevez, Van Persie or Rooney(in form). They don't only score the goals but can also create for others by linking up the play etch. Just because they are specialize in more than 1 thing, doesn't mean they are not a good player. Nobody said anything like that when we had Drogba! Even with Drogba, we still different type of STs in Anelka, Kalou etc to provide something different upfront.

Problem with limited players is that if the opponent can prevent that ST from playing to his strengths, then he becomes immediately useless because he is limited and doesn't possess other type of abilities to help the team. At least with an all rounder ST, if the opponent negate one of their strengths, then he can use his other strengths/abilities to benefit the team as well in a dfferent way.