zolayes 14,489 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 What? Matic got nothing to do with Mata because he is a CAM and Matic will play CDM?I thought you wanted us to trade Mata for Shrek ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I thought you wanted us to trade Mata for Shrek ...Yes I do, just pointing out his post doesn't make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Yes I do, just pointing out his post doesn't make senseThe point was people stated Oscar was starting over Mata due to our incompetent CDMs.Now that we have a competent one and apparently Mata is better according to a lot of people here, so, it would be logical that he would start according to their reasoning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 The point was people stated Oscar was starting over Mata due to our incompetent CDMs.Now that we have a competent one and apparently Mata is better according to a lot of people here, it would be logical that he would start according to their reasoning...LOL WHO SAID THAT? That is the biggest bs I have ever heard. LOL LOL LOL, anyone starting in CAM GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CDM, it is for their ability to fit Jose's plan. Even if we had Ba and Eto'o playing CDM, Mata won't start for us at CAM. Who ever said that is really an idiot. Styles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 So, logically speaking, with the arrival of Matic, a proper CDM, Juan Mata should be able to get more game time..However, if Mourinho doesnt play Mata........Logically speaking, we should have strengthened our midfield 3 years ago already, so... Ainsley Harriott and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 So, logically speaking, with the arrival of Matic, a proper CDM, Juan Mata should be able to get more game time..However, if Mourinho doesnt play Mata........Or less since people were trying to place Oscar back there since they were desperate for Mata to get game time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The point was people stated Oscar was starting over Mata due to our incompetent CDMs.Now that we have a competent one and apparently Mata is better according to a lot of people here, so, it would be logical that he would start according to their reasoning...I think you're looking in a very simplistic way. The weak pivot makes Mata lack of energy and power to deal with the league's physicality worse, or looking the other way, Mata exposes an already weak pivot more. Having a stronger pivot behind him makes up for Mata's limitations to a extension, but he'll continue to have problems fitting in a system that requires high work-rate, pressing and is way more direct than he'd prefer. In addition to that Mata seems to prefer to have the ball on his foot instead of receiving it in the run - which happens quite happen with our system.The reason why we weren't competitive in the past is because all the freedom Mata had gave too much space for opponents because our pivot couldn't make up for that amount of freedom. We've been competitive currently (with or without Mata) and that's because of the system we now have in place. Said system is more efficient without Mata because he doesn't fit that well. The question now is if Mata can adapt to the system because I don't see the system or Mourinho leaving any time soon. Weak pivot or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 He's just not suited to some specific matches.IMO there are matches where Oscar would be much better and in some games I prefer Mata. We can use the two of them.. Barbara, zolayes and sdrcfc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think you're looking in a very simplistic way. The weak pivot makes Mata lack of energy and power to deal with the league's physicality worse, or looking the other way, Mata exposes an already weak pivot more. Having a stronger pivot behind him makes up for Mata's limitations to a extension, but he'll continue to have problems fitting in a system that requires high work-rate, pressing and is way more direct than he'd prefer. In addition to that Mata seems to prefer to have the ball on his foot instead of receiving it in the run - which happens quite happen with our system.The reason why we weren't competitive in the past is because all the freedom Mata had gave too much space for opponents because our pivot couldn't make up for that amount of freedom. We've been competitive currently (with or without Mata) and that's because of the system we now have in place. Said system is more efficient without Mata because he doesn't fit that well. The question now is if Mata can adapt to the system because I don't see the system or Mourinho leaving any time soon. Weak pivot or not.I already know this... This was a question to the people that claimed Oscar was only there and starting due to the lack of a legit pivot....To your last point, if Mata cant adapt to the system, what does Mata bring than to the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I already know this... This was a question to the people that claimed Oscar was only there and starting due to the lack of a legit pivot....To your last point, if Mata cant adapt to the system, what does Mata bring than to the team?The same he does if he doesn't adapt (except without the liabilities): creativity, set-piece, splitting passes. He'll never be the guy that will bring energy, pace or excel defensively. If he adapts so he can't expose the midfield to the opponent, then it's all settled and I'd even to see us play 4-3-3 with Oscar in the midfield, Willian and Mata ahead of him and Hazard as a false 9. Or Hazard and Mata and a striker. but an adapted Mata works in a 4-2-3-1 too.It's a big challenge for him to adapt though because his style is completely different. Let's see what happens. I don't want him to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svita 10 186 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 when he get a chance, i wonder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Perhaps a swap deal for Costa ?..Not sure if Athletico are the club for Juan though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 when he get a chance, i wonder!It will be a while.Its no co-incidence that he hasn't started after his reaction to his substitution against Southampton. Fulham Broadway and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Gilvorak 3,734 Posted January 19, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 19, 2014 It's a disgrace the way Jose has treated Mata. Has he even seen the pitch since then? Embarrassing.He does this crap at every club. Hate to see Mata treated this way. You're telling me it's a risk to play Mata even against Derby County or bring him on when we're 3-0 up with Oscar playing poorly? F.Torres, Stats, Azpinator and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 It will be a while.Its no co-incidence that he hasn't started after his reaction to his substitution against Southampton.Started? he hasn't played a single minute but has been on the bench each of those games as punishment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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