The Mourinho Thread

[Tomo 21,681]

Klopp is a very good manager and still finding his feet. I really wanted him here at Chelsea until the dippers got him. Obviously they'd lose games but they look much more consistent than under Brendan.

He will probably fix the issue in the summer, but their is only so much he can do with that current side.

[bellion 170]

I agree with the poster. You might want to see him gone but he doesn't deserve this amount of insult and vitriol. You'd never seen Utd fans insulting Ferguson like this or Liverpool fans insulting dalglish even if those managers were struggling with results because they recognise what he's done for them in the past. Let's give Mourinho that same treatment.

Obviously you haven't seen the amount of insults hurled at these two individuals when things went bad with both Man Utd and Pool under the reigns of Meessrs Ferguson and Dalglish. What I have posted is pretty mild and it doesn't even resemble vitriol. Just because I want Mourinho out gets all the fanboys riled up and they start cussing and swearing blue streaks.

Mourinho is NOT going to change his approach to matches, tactics or team selection. Hence, things will continue as they are. If you can accept that, then I can see why you would want him to stay.

[Essien19 1,415]

It's not a matter of standing by Mourinho, It's about what is best for our club. He just can't get us to score goals from open play or stop losing till December.

This season is lost because of Mourinho, and if he loves us as much as he says he would resign and prevent us from spending money we would have gotten if we qualified for the Champions League if we sack him.

The players are no longer responding to his defensive motivational skills, they don't trust the lies of playing performing players anymore, they're not fighting for Mourinho. So if he loves us, he should go.

Three years with us and we've only played any sort of attacking football for 3 months last season. Leichester city have players who are not the level of any team Mourinho has managed at Chelsea, but see the difference in attacking play between us and them. They are not topping the table just because other teams are underperfoming, it's because they've scored the most goals in the Premier League.

Until Mourinho accepts that the way to win the league is to score more goals than the opponent he won't get anywhere. His defensive tactics he relied upon for the past ten years don't work anymore. What else can he give us except stability??? It's clear what is the best way forward for our club.

I don't have a problem with you, why?

Because you're reasoning, not just throwing insults on their way.

I said it multiple times, we haven't simply been good enough so far.

What do you want?

Thinking it would be best for both parties, if Mourinho resigns himself from the job and let us alone with this mess,

or keep fighting and cleaning it up by himself and us giving him a hand?

I prefer fighting, it has always been the spirit with this club; against all odds! At least in my point of view.

Personally speaking, i don't have much respect for a guy like Lucien Favre, who in my point of view let his team and club

down big time. We'll see how it goes in the upcoming years for them.

Can you simply reduce Mourinho to "defensive motivational skills"?

Xavi Hernandez said some time ago, Mourinho hasn't always been all about the defensive approach,

last season backed it up, i think.

During the time of Eto'o we had some nice interplay between him and Hazard, who is mainly responsible for this?

Scoring one goal more than the opponent is an adventurous way to carry it out, what exactly did Mourinho do in Madrid?

So i disagree with you that you can put Mourinho into one corner and say he has been this (defensive) way for about 10 years.

He knows the Barca school and clearly likes some parts of it, imo.

What's stability?

In my point of view, having the same manager and most guys for some time around, not always looking for the next toy to buy.

Especially relying on the same (proven) manager, because you win some, you lose some, that's what football is about, imo.

Yes, bad season, but before shit hits the fan, we were top of the league since day one, before that, we played the semis against

(at that time) best team in Spain.

2 years, i felt more or less invincible, merged, great fuckin' atmosphere and spirit in and around the club,

so yes, i give Mourinho the benefit of a doubt.

It's like having problems with your girlfriend: the first 2 years were unbelievable great, you could score whenever you want and the understanding was growing, but after that things get tough.

A lot of your friends have more beautiful ones, they tell you to get a new one.

But you stick it out and both parties keep working on their mistakes, in the long run,

the bond is only getting stronger and stronger.

A new girl doesn't know jack shit about that, staying when things get tough and make compromises, that' what life is all about, imo.

Otherwise you haven't lived life to the fullest, imo.

Ranieri:

His team has been playing superbly, he is truly doing things right.

But it's not always been this way, he had worse times too, one should never forget that.

The mocking by the tabloids didn't appear out of thin air!

At the moment, they are playing a lot better that Chelsea, i have to give them that.

It's really all about money?

One can buy great things with money, but money doesn't buy you success, it's only a tool, imo.

It's like kids having rich parents, it doesn't necessarily mean, they are going to be as successful as their parents.

I have a friend who failed more than once in College, but he's always standing up, never giving up on his dreams.

That you can't buy and it seems that as Fabregas said the failures getting under the skin of some players.

The manager can only show you the door, you have to go through by yourself.

Perhaps we disagree, but i don't think that the players want Mourinho out, it's not as simple as that.

Long story short: Chelsea should doing better, but there are different periods and just because of money it's impossible to demand always top class footie.

For me the judge is still out, keep losing till January, then we should have another talk, but for me we need more attempts for now.

Try harder should be the motto, i think we'll bang them in, because the chances are already there for the taking.

Competition:

I think the competition within the league has never been this strong before.

Former top teams are dropping points like flies, is there any team who is on a similar run as Leicester?

The Premier-League lives in its own world, total balanced, the money what United spent over the years, has had less impact.

That's fuckin' great, everyone can beat everyone, that's the way it should be, imo.

Final words:

As i said before, your behaviour has been exemplary, you showed me yours, i showed you mine, acting like adults.

We disagree, in the past, i didn't believe in Torres and made some childish points in other communities, but then i matured.

I questioned Di Matteo's managerial abilities, his time at Schalke 04 didn't get my hopes up, he isn't a maker, imo.

For me Jose Mourinho is a different case, he's not only a Chelsea man through and through,

he has the necessary skill-set to see us through. He is our Sir Alex Ferguson and that has to count for something, imo.

Your opinion differs, but that doesn't meant that we can't stand side by side in the stand, either way, life continues.

My only hope is that the schadenfreude around here doesn't continue to stay sky-high, it would be really sad when he loses his job.

At least give him that.

[bellion 170]

I don't mean you actively want him as manager, but If it ended up happening and he flopped badly, would you like being called a Ray fanboy for not being too harsh on him?

In a hypothetical situation, if Wilkins messed things up with no signs of improvement or positive changes as a manager at Chelsea, I would want him out as well. Club before players or managers. That has always been my motto.

[Darogba 112]

Obviously you haven't seen the amount of insults hurled at these two individuals when things went bad with both Man Utd and Pool under the reigns of Meessrs Ferguson and Dalglish. What I have posted is pretty mild and it doesn't even resemble vitriol. Just because I want Mourinho out gets all the fanboys riled up and they start cussing and swearing blue streaks.

Mourinho is NOT going to change his approach to matches, tactics or team selection. Hence, things will continue as they are. If you can accept that, then I can see why you would want him to stay.

I don't want him to stay, I want him gone now. But I also recognise what he's done for us in the past and deserves to be treated with respect regardless of what happens. We're not talking about Benitez here or some random manager who managed us for a half season. This is Jose Mourinho, our greatest ever manager who's brought us a lot of success and has played a huge part in transforming our club to what is today. If you can't at least recognise that then you deserve to be called a plastic.

[Tomo 21,681]

In a hypothetical situation, if Wilkins messed things up with no signs of improvement or positive changes as a manager at Chelsea, I would want him out as well. Club before players or managers. That has always been my motto.

Fair enough, I don't mind critism or wanting him out but the fanboy route Is to far for me.

Last season people were crtitical of Drogbas on pitch displays but always remained respectful to him, can't see why that can't be the case now with Jose.

[Essien19 1,415]

"Standing by" is an euphemism for sharpening the axe until the time is right which 'i reckon is when the match-going fans turn on Mounrinho.

When blind Mourinho followers or fanboys stand by their idol even in the face of relegation due to his stubborness and ego, that is what I would consider a ridiculous situation.

So because i have a different opinion than you do i'm a fanboy and blind?

Will the majority of the match goers ever really turn their back on Jose Mourinho?

Maybe he will go in the future, but never ever boo one of your own, imo.

The situation is really ridiculous, finally something we can agree on, but i show unity instead of disrespect, i think everyone handles it differently, but i can't agree on your methods!

[jernej93 565]

So it is probably all down to Porto game? If we manage to get a poor draw, than Mourinho is safe once again? Than we can go on losing points in Premier league and blaming referees, weather, players but not once himself or his tactic. Managers before Mourinho were sacked if they lost 1 game in a month .. he only managed to win 1 in a month. And fans are still chanting his name? That is great, nice support, thumbs up .. but why am I never hearing support for Willian or Zouma, our best performers this year? I am only hearing "Jose Mourinho" and "Diego, Diego!" ... great

Why is manager even their, on the bench, in trainings, in the locker room before match? His main duties are motivation and tactics and he has failed on both ends of the floor. We are playing 4-2-3-1 formation from day 1 and we are playing with 8 or 9 same players from day 1. On the other hand motivation is even worse ... we were all praising Hazard as the best player in the world next to Messi and Ronaldo in last season, Matić as the best defensive midfielder and so on. Now you are telling me that we need to replace this players (including Costa, Fabregas, ...) because they are sh*t and they are the ones to blame for bad results?

You are talking about long term and consistency. But what is there to pursue? We play like sh*t, we have bad results, we don't promote youth, we don't progress on team or individual level and we certainly don't have a great public image because of all the media and press conference crap.

TOP4 is not lost if we act quickly but with every game and with every point lost we are further away. Don't wait, just do it! There are still some good coaches out there, but what we need right now is shock therapy. We need to wake up our squad and if it is possible we should bring attacking coach because we need to win every game from now on. Laudrup, Sampaoli, Bielsa ..

[FabHazard 655]

IMO I don't think he will be sacked..i think he has the support of the board and the most important person i.e marina granovskaia ..i think they will let go off this season and back him up in the summer transfer market

[Last Sicarius 610]

Its sad that Carlo didnt get so much support from board as Jose.

[obiwan92 217]

People comparing to Sir Alex Ferguson's bad times, etc...

NO!

It. Was. Never. This. Bad.

This is UNPRECEDENTED!

[bellion 170]

I don't want him to stay, I want him gone now. But I also recognise what he's done for us in the past and deserves to be treated with respect regardless of what happens. We're not talking about Benitez here or some random manager who managed us for a half season. This is Jose Mourinho, our greatest ever manager who's brought us a lot of success and has played a huge part in transforming our club to what is today. If you can't at least recognise that then you deserve to be called a plastic.

I mentioned before that I recognize that.

And what?

[jernej93 565]

People comparing to Sir Alex Ferguson's bad times, etc...

NO!

It. Was. Never. This. Bad.

This is UNPRECEDENTED!

He also never went from champions to relegation zone. He went opposite direction.

[zolayes 14,489]

IMO I don't think he will be sacked..i think he has the support of the board and the most important person i.e marina granovskaia ..i think they will let go off this season and back him up in the summer transfer market

then they will be more stupid than I ever thought possible .

[bellion 170]

Fair enough, I don't mind critism or wanting him out but the fanboy route Is to far for me.

Last season people were crtitical of Drogbas on pitch displays but always remained respectful to him, can't see why that can't be the case now with Jose.

The "fanboy" label is directed squarely at those who would want to stick with Mourinho thick and thin even if the club was relegated.

I respect Mourinho's achievements but I don't live in the past. The position in the table and the turgid football should be a wake up call for all Chelsea fans!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Sir Alex backed him today, there's something.

[bellion 170]

So because i have a different opinion than you do i'm a fanboy and blind?

Will the majority of the match goers ever really turn their back on Jose Mourinho?

Maybe he will go in the future, but never ever boo one of your own, imo.

The situation is really ridiculous, finally something we can agree on, but i show unity instead of disrespect, i think everyone handles it differently, but i can't agree on your methods!

That makes two of us in conflict because I don't agree with you sticking by with Mourinho. How long do you want to persist with him? Next summer? 3 years from now?

Mourinho isn't a long term manager and his track record shows that. Couple with his aversion to blooding youth from the academy unlike other long term coaches such as Wenger and Ferguson, it beggars belief why any sane football fan would expect Mourinho to stay for more than 3 years and continue to bring success.

[bellion 170]

So it is probably all down to Porto game? If we manage to get a poor draw, than Mourinho is safe once again? Than we can go on losing points in Premier league and blaming referees, weather, players but not once himself or his tactic. Managers before Mourinho were sacked if they lost 1 game in a month .. he only managed to win 1 in a month. And fans are still chanting his name? That is great, nice support, thumbs up .. but why am I never hearing support for Willian or Zouma, our best performers this year? I am only hearing "Jose Mourinho" and "Diego, Diego!" ... great

Why is manager even their, on the bench, in trainings, in the locker room before match? His main duties are motivation and tactics and he has failed on both ends of the floor. We are playing 4-2-3-1 formation from day 1 and we are playing with 8 or 9 same players from day 1. On the other hand motivation is even worse ... we were all praising Hazard as the best player in the world next to Messi and Ronaldo in last season, Matić as the best defensive midfielder and so on. Now you are telling me that we need to replace this players (including Costa, Fabregas, ...) because they are sh*t and they are the ones to blame for bad results?

You are talking about long term and consistency. But what is there to pursue? We play like sh*t, we have bad results, we don't promote youth, we don't progress on team or individual level and we certainly don't have a great public image because of all the media and press conference crap.

TOP4 is not lost if we act quickly but with every game and with every point lost we are further away. Don't wait, just do it! There are still some good coaches out there, but what we need right now is shock therapy. We need to wake up our squad and if it is possible we should bring attacking coach because we need to win every game from now on. Laudrup, Sampaoli, Bielsa ..

The squad is surely of Top 4 material with a good blend of youth and experience and several players with high technical skill. Albeit, a couple of players need replacing eg. Fabregas and Ivanovic but there are ready replacements for them even in the squad before the cheque book comes out.

The right manager would have this lot challenging for a European spot and a good run in the CL/EL.