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No such team as easy any more, those days are gone unless you spend alot of money and have a WC manager like City, and even they find it hard more often than before now. Pep the cheque book manager that he is will spend alot this summer, theres nothing to stop him either.

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1 minute ago, Atomiswave said:

No such team as easy any more, those days are gone unless you spend alot of money and have a WC manager like City, and even they find it hard more often than before now. Pep the cheque book manager that he is will spend alot this summer, theres nothing to stop him either.

they made STUPID buys and moves

my number call out of all, even  inclusive of comments on us

last summer

was that Shitty were INSANE to to NOT buy a WC CB  (Pep said they had ZERO need), and instead shit away another £60m on another fullback

my exact words were

'IF Laporte gets injured, they are well fucked'

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I also said Stones was SHIT, he was never going to further develop (I had always disliked him, but remained open-minded until the 2018-19 season)

 

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8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

they made STUPID buys and moves

my number call out of all, even  inclusive of comments on us

last summer

was that Shitty were INSANE to to NOT buy a WC CB  (Pep said they had ZERO need), and instead shit away another £60m on another fullback

my exact words were

'IF Laporte gets injured, they are well fucked'

BOOM

I also said Stones was SHIT, he was never going to further develop (I had always disliked him, but remained open-minded until the 2018-19 season)

 

Yeah I can recall that....he must have thought epl is like laliga or something. He knows better now though and will be going for blood.

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16 minutes ago, Jason said:

If City lose here, then 7th place in the Premier League won't be a Europa League spot...

Merely getting to the final isn't enough for Europe anymore. Villa (2015), Palace (2016) and Watford (last year) didn't get in.

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If City lose here, then 7th place in the Premier League won't be a Europa League spot...

Premier League: Who can qualify for Champions League and Europa League?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53385467#:~:text=The teams who finish fifth,qualify for the Europa League.

Leicester and Manchester United both won on Thursday to remain level on points in the battle for the fourth Champions League spot.

Their final-day meeting is likely to be a shootout for the top four, although they could yet both finish above Chelsea.

Manchester City's successful appeal against their European ban means the top four in the Premier League will (probably) qualify for next season's Champions League, with the next two (or possibly three) going into the Europa League.

What do their run-ins look like, who is likely to qualify and who could meet in what would effectively be a Champions League play-off? With only two games to go, BBC Sport thought it was time we checked things out.

Premier League champions Liverpool and Manchester City, who will definitely finish second, have already booked their place in next season's Champions League.

Chelsea, Leicester and Manchester United are battling it out for the final two Champions League group stage spots - Wolves can no longer mathematically finish in the top four because Leicester play United on the final day.

There is a possibility only the top three would qualify for the Champions League - if the two major European club trophies are both won by English teams who finish outside this season's top four.

Why? Because there can be a maximum of five English teams in the Champions League. So if Chelsea win the Champions League and Wolves or Manchester United win the Europa League - and neither finish in the top four - then both sides would qualify for next season's Champions League and fourth place in the Premier League would only earn a Europa League spot.

3. Chelsea

Liverpool (a, 22 July), Wolves (h, 26 July)

Chelsea, who are one point clear of fifth place, need four points from their final two difficult games to be sure of a top-four spot.

4. Leicester City

Spurs (a, 19 July), Man Utd (h, 26 July)

Leicester City are in the fourth Champions League position, but only above Manchester United - their final-day opponents - on goal difference. That game could end up being winner-takes-all for the final Champions League spot.

They need to win their final two games to be sure of finishing in the top four.

5. Manchester United

West Ham (h, 22 July), Leicester (a, 26 July)

Manchester United - the Premier League's form team - will guarantee a top-four finish if they win their final two games.

Leicester are above Manchester United by +3 goal difference (with four more goals scored). If they finish level on points, goal difference and goals scored, and are fourth and fifth, then it goes down to head-to-head record (factoring in away goals). United won 1-0 at home in September. If the Foxes win 1-0 on the final day - and they are level on points, goal difference and goals scored, then they would need a play-off to decide who finishes fourth.

Europa League

The teams who finish fifth and sixth will qualify for next season's Europa League (unless they win one of next month's European tournaments).

If the FA Cup winners finish in the top six, then seventh place in the Premier League would qualify for the Europa League. The team who qualify in the lowest league spot go into the second qualifying round.

FA Cup semi-finalists Arsenal are currently 10th in the league.

At least one of Chelsea, Leicester City and Manchester United will end up in the Europa League spots but we will focus our permutations on the teams who will hope to qualify.

6. Wolves

Crystal Palace (h, 20 July), Chelsea (a, 26 July)

Wolves will qualify for the Europa League if they win their final two games. It is out of their hands if they drop any points.

7. Tottenham Hotspur

Leicester (h, 19 July), Crystal Palace (a, 26 July)

Spurs will be guaranteed seventh place at least if they win their final two games. But they need Wolves to drop points if they do not want to worry about who wins the FA Cup.

8. Sheffield United

Everton (h, 20 July), Southampton (a, 26 July)

Sheffield United's defeat by Leicester means their hopes of qualifying for Europe for the first time are out of their hands. They need Wolves and/or Spurs to slip up.

9. Burnley

Brighton (h, 26 July)

Burnley are one point behind seventh place - and two points off sixth - but they only have one game left. They need to beat Brighton and hope for a lot of results to go their way.

10. Arsenal

Aston Villa (a, 21 July), Watford (h, 26 July)

Arsenal will be guaranteed a Europa League group place if they win the FA Cup - they face Manchester City in the semi-finals on Saturday.

Their win over Liverpool on Wednesday keeps their hopes of qualifying through the league alive - they are three points off sixth place and two below seventh.

What happens if an English team win in Europe?

Manchester City, Chelsea, Wolves and Manchester United all play in Europe next month. If any of them win their trophy, they will go into next season's Champions League group stages no matter where they finish in the league.

If Manchester City (who lead Real Madrid 2-1 in the last 16) win the Champions League, it makes no difference to the European places in the Premier League - England would not get any extra places.

But if Chelsea (who trail Bayern Munich 3-0) win the tournament and finish outside the top four, then five English teams would go into next year's Champions League with two in the Europa League.

The same is true for Manchester United (leading LASK 5-0) and Wolves (1-1 v Olympiakos) in the Europe League last 16.

If either win the tournament and finish in the top four, England does not get an extra space. If they win and finish outside the top four, then England gets five Champions League spots.

If Chelsea win the Champions League AND Manchester United or Wolves win the Europa League - and neither finish in the top four - then only the top three in the Premier League qualify for the Champions League.

Uefa regulations suggest England could have eight teams in Europe if that happened and one of them did not finish in the top six/seven - or nine if they both fail to.

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