Mouri_Matic 560 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I'm never quite sure why we're using United as the model for squad building when we won two titles without a 20 goal-a-season striker, and we have players like Hazard and Mata who have shown an ability to score big goals.While we won 2, they won........................................................................................close to 20 KonohasOrangeFlash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I'm never quite sure why we're using United as the model for squad building when we won two titles without a 20 goal-a-season striker, and we have players like Hazard and Mata who have shown an ability to score big goals.yeah well city werent around then so it was simpler/ KonohasOrangeFlash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishBlue 426 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I hate all these ups and downs. One second one thinks it's a done deal then the other second another club is buying him. Remember Robinho and Hulk - everyone thought they were coming. Regarding the price that's normally something I think about a lot because I hate when we get ripped off but I actually think that he is worth the money. Well, maybe it's 5-7 million too much but I guess we will have to pay that extras to wrap up the deal before another club buys him. I don't fancy facing Cavani when playing against City - I want him in our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Hurry up and get the deal done before City find their balls and just put up the release clause!United was proof last season that you need to take a risk on a top striker and that having one can swing the title in your direction.Cavani can be our RvP!There's a difference between paying 22 million & 50 million.RvP wasn't really a risk...he carried Arsenal the previous season and he wanted to win trophies. Wenger was stupid enough to sell him to a rival club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adunolaeni 6 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 @ChelsTransfer: Chelsea informed Fernando Torres camp last Monday that he is free to look for another club but only should a reasonable offer arrive #CFC iceboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Is this the haranr thread or Cavani thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishBlue 426 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I hope it's true that the board tries to get him far away from our club. If I have to witness another season with Torres as the number one striker I might cry myself to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behemoth 266 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I'm just sitting back and laughing at all of this. 63 million? Unbelievable. There are other options available - options that wont break the bank and tie your hands in other segments that need to be addressed. Is he good? Yes. Is he amazing? Probably. Is he 63 mil. amazing? Fuck no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I'm just sitting back and laughing at all of this. 63 million? Unbelievable. There are other options available - options that wont break the bank and tie your hands in other segments that need to be addressed. Is he good? Yes. Is he amazing? Probably. Is he 63 mil. amazing? Fuck no.63 million EUROS. It's £53 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 To all the people who are still showing concern about the money that Cavani will cost, think of it this way:He is in the peak of his career and will only get better, I believe if he stay fit he will have at least 4-5 25+ goal seasons and if he does manage that then £53M IS A BARGAIN.Secondly, he is as good as Falcao(everyone got different opinion but base on the amount of goals scored, he is just as good) and Falcao cost £51m so Cavani can't be far off that.Thirdly, Suarez who everyone(media, other club's fans) think is worth at least £50m, ARE YOU TELLING ME HE IS BETTER THAN CAVANI? Because imo, they are just as good as each other.Fourthly, don't bring up Serie A crap that it is a shit league, maybe it lost its best players over the years but IT IS STILL THE MOST DEFENSIVE LEAGUE IN EUROPE. And lastly, he cost this much BECAUSE HE IS WANTED BY RICHEST CLUBS IN EUROPE(Madrid, us and City) so of course Napoli is going to milk it as much as possible. Also he said he want to go to Madrid if he had to choose and if we are willing to offer £45-£50m then might as well make it £53m(release clause). No point trying to save a few millions then City/Madrid decided fuck it and pay it before us so we lose him like we did with Falcao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,928 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I'm never quite sure why we're using United as the model for squad building when we won two titles without a 20 goal-a-season striker, and we have players like Hazard and Mata who have shown an ability to score big goals.I'd say its much more difficult at the top of the table now. It's been proven over the last couple of seasons that you need that firepower up front.United have had RvP and Roo banging them in and City have had Aguero and Tevez.We've had fucking Torres and our league finishes have reflected as much. KonohasOrangeFlash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 While we won 2, they won........................................................................................close to 20And Liverpool have won 18 - I think you're missing the point which is that there is more than one way to be successful. We don't have to copy United, and quite honestly if we're going down the route of taking things on from them then there are other things I'd focus on first.yeah well city werent around then so it was simpler/I suppose so, if you want to misrepresent history and diminish our achievements in 04-06.By the way, United's success with RVP was from them buying a striker who had a proven track record in this league for around £20 million. We're looking at signing a striker new to this league for over twice as much.If you want us to copy United, why not Rooney who would be a closer comparison to RVP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishBlue 426 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Agree. Plus the fact that he is the only amazing striker available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 If we are gonna go by the logic, then Hazard was overpriced, come on £32m for a 21 years old from Ligue 1 and look how that turned out... SOMETIME YOU HAVE TO TAKE RISK, Cavani's standard price is at least £40-£45m, don't even try to argue because that is the right going rate for him nowaday. So paying £10-£15m more is a bit overpricebut not MASSIVELY OVERPRICED LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE MAKING IT OUT.RVP 29 years old injury prone-£24m RISKRonaldo even though the best player in the world AT THE TIME AT £80M IS A ENORMOUS RISKOurselves with £32m Hazard-RISKCity with £40m AGUERO-RISKAnd countless more... So just relax KonohasOrangeFlash and jeronimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 To all the people who are still showing concern about the money that Cavani will cost, think of it this way:He is in the peak of his career and will only get better, I had to stop here - if he's at the peak of his career, how will he get better? Wouldn't that point when he's better be his peak?I'd say its much more difficult at the top of the table now. It's been proven over the last couple of seasons that you need that firepower up front.United have had RvP and Roo banging them in and City have had Aguero and Tevez.We've had fucking Torres and our league finishes have reflected as much.There are 11 players on a pitch - there's no rule that says all the goals have to come through your number 9. You don't get extra points for a striker scoring them.He could be a great player for us and he could lead us to the title but any Chelsea supporter who doesn't have a bit of apprehension about expensive strikers coming to this club needs to read up on their history. Yes Drogba was a legend for us (although his early seasons were not spectacular despite us winning titles) but I can name far more big-name strikers who failed at this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behemoth 266 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I'd say its much more difficult at the top of the table now. It's been proven over the last couple of seasons that you need that firepower up front.United have had RvP and Roo banging them in and City have had Aguero and Tevez.We've had fucking Torres and our league finishes have reflected as much.and Dzeko (most goals in the league this season for City) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 The transfer fee for RVP was 24 million pounds, and it was only that low because he had 1 year on his contract left. I don't even understand what you are really trying to argue here to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I had to stop here - if he's at the peak of his career, how will he get better? Wouldn't that point when he's better be his peak?That is why I think he is amazing, while being the best form of his life, he can still improve and become even better. He wasn't like when we bought Torres which WAS PEAKED AND GOING DOWN HILL. This guy will only go up from here unless he get a serious injury. Maybe using peak wasn't the right choice of words, my point is he is in the best form he has ever been and there is no better time to buy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Around £40m is a fair price... Hopefully we can negotiate it down to that fee. The deal actually seems to be progressing quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,928 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I had to stop here - if he's at the peak of his career, how will he get better? Wouldn't that point when he's better be his peak?There are 11 players on a pitch - there's no rule that says all the goals have to come through your number 9. You don't get extra points for a striker scoring them.He could be a great player for us and he could lead us to the title but any Chelsea supporter who doesn't have a bit of apprehension about expensive strikers coming to this club needs to read up on their history. Yes Drogba was a legend for us (although his early seasons were not spectacular despite us winning titles) but I can name far more big-name strikers who failed at this club.Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who expect Cavani to come in and solve all of our problems, but he'd be a huge upgrade to what we have.Can't be worse than you're supposed #1 CF scoring 8 league goals.I'd say you can go ahead and pencil Cavani in for 25, and I'd put money on him scoring 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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