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4 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

The people who assembled a squad with so many young 20 year-old's, with very few leaders and experience to learn from, have basically made a team that is going to keep choking every now and again.

As so many have mentioned on this forum...how the F*ck did we let Kante, Jorginho and Kovacic leave in back to back windows? 

Very poor squad planning is the reason why we are mid-table right now.     Enzo-Caicedo may be a good pairing but I doubt we see the best of them till 2026/27

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2 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

As so many have mentioned on this forum...how the F*ck did we let Kante, Jorginho and Kovacic leave in back to back windows? 

Very poor squad planning is the reason why we are mid-table right now.     Enzo-Caicedo may be a good pairing but I doubt we see the best of them till 2026/27

But when they were here people were slating them. Someone was talking about cashing in on Kante for about 4 years straight too. Maybe they work for the club 🤣

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12 hours ago, Laylabelle said:

So predictable! You just know it wasn't going to he straightforward and tbh lucky they did have 10! Probably would've lost to them if was 11. 

I do wonder what is being said in the HT team talks as we have no leaders in the dressing room and then you have Poch who hasn't won anything as a manager

Feel like we need an old school Conte approach to get the team fired up!  

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Rumours are some of the players want him sacked. Mental. Yes he’s done a shit job but a lot of the players also are in no position to want a manager sacked. We aren’t talking about a dressing room with the likes of Drogba, Lampard, Cole, Cech etc either. If theres any truth in it, they should be taking a long look at themselves.

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Rumours are some of the players want him sacked. Mental. Yes he’s done a shit job but a lot of the players also are in no position to want a manager sacked. We aren’t talking about a dressing room with the likes of Drogba, Lampard, Cole, Cech etc either. If theres any truth in it, they should be taking a long look at themselves.

If they have any ambition of improving as players or winning anything they should demand a better coach though , they can’t progress under a second rate loser. 

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1 hour ago, lucio said:

If they have any ambition of improving as players or winning anything they should demand a better coach though , they can’t progress under a second rate loser. 

They should try performing first before pointing fingers though. 

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57 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

They should try performing first before pointing fingers though. 

They genuinely had the chance to win their first trophy together before Poch decided to play counter attacking football in extra time against a depleted Liverpool team with three 18-20 year olds on the pitch straight from the academy. 

He's a reactive dinosaur and the premier league has past him by. I'd be fuming too if I were asked to sit back and play for pens. 

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Both bad as each other. There's no heart or desire. You look at Arsenal they lose the ball they go for it! Chelsea lose the ball seems a case of oh well it's gone let's see what happens. 

His half term coaching methods however..who knows what goes on there! 

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3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

They genuinely had the chance to win their first trophy together before Poch decided to play counter attacking football in extra time against a depleted Liverpool team with three 18-20 year olds on the pitch straight from the academy. 

He's a reactive dinosaur and the premier league has past him by. I'd be fuming too if I were asked to sit back and play for pens. 

Hardly as simple as that. 

Re the cup final - in ET Liverpool run over the top of us. Particularly in midfield. We just had to match/better them physically and in terms of intensity but we didn’t. Liverpool get a bit of momentum, smell blood and well we bottle it.

Not as easy as saying it was to do with playing a high block, a low block, possession football or counter attacking football etc because either way, you still need to play with some intensity and physicality in all games regardless. For example, Atletico Madrid are one of these sides who play a low block and counter attacking style but they are a good physical side, very aggressive and play with intensity irrespective. 

And really, do you think that its much different from last season ? We had a naive group that looked so short of work ethic, desire, that sort of nastiness all top teams have a bit of and it hasn’t really changed again this season. We have moved on certain players from that group but a large % of the squad is still the same, particularly the lads who make up the £1bn investments over the summer and January windows.

The players need to take a lot of responsibility and show the fans they have more about them. When their own manager is saying that the team misses something, be it heart or balls or the right mentality or whatever he said, that is extremely alarming. Or it should be for them.

Imagine if Conte said that or Jose said that or Ancelotti said that about past Chelsea teams they’ve managed - you’d be worried.

With this crowd, it doesn’t surprise me. A lot of them are soft, the squad sorely lacks real leadership and quality throughout. Poch isn’t the best manager out there either amongst other things which has its own problems but he isn’t the big reason as to why this group is struggling, the players are. 

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Hardly as simple as that. 

Re the cup final - in ET Liverpool run over the top of us. Particularly in midfield. We just had to match/better them physically and in terms of intensity but we didn’t. Liverpool get a bit of momentum, smell blood and well we bottle it.

Not as easy as saying it was to do with playing a high block, a low block, possession football or counter attacking football etc because either way, you still need to play with some intensity and physicality in all games regardless. For example, Atletico Madrid are one of these sides who play a low block and counter attacking style but they are a good physical side, very aggressive and play with intensity irrespective. 

And really, do you think that its much different from last season ? We had a naive group that looked so short of work ethic, desire, that sort of nastiness all top teams have a bit of and it hasn’t really changed again this season. We have moved on certain players from that group but a large % of the squad is still the same, particularly the lads who make up the £1bn investments over the summer and January windows.

The players need to take a lot of responsibility and show the fans they have more about them. When their own manager is saying that the team misses something, be it heart or balls or the right mentality or whatever he said, that is extremely alarming. Or it should be for them.

Imagine if Conte said that or Jose said that or Ancelotti said that about past Chelsea teams they’ve managed - you’d be worried.

With this crowd, it doesn’t surprise me. A lot of them are soft, the squad sorely lacks real leadership and quality throughout. Poch isn’t the best manager out there either amongst other things which has its own problems but he isn’t the big reason as to why this group is struggling, the players are. 

If all the players are performing below their potential that's on the manager. Either that or they are playing at their potential in which case we need an entirely new squad again which is impossible

Only thing they can really do is get a new coach and try to tweak the squad in the right direction 

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43 minutes ago, lucio said:

If all the players are performing below their potential that's on the manager. Either that or they are playing at their potential in which case we need an entirely new squad again which is impossible

Only thing they can really do is get a new coach and try to tweak the squad in the right direction 

But is it though? It’s never as black and white as that.

Do the players look like they are giving their all? To me they don’t. There is no fight within that group when things get tough. They crumble.

Yes it is clear based on performances that we lack a lot of quality in certain areas but it looks like a good amount of them don’t care enough or aren’t up for it when games get tough.

Poch is an issue on his own - the playing style is a mystery - but sacking him and appointing someone else of that level isn’t going to change anything. Not with this squad, we need to chop and change 5 or 6 players in this group as the group lacks quality, experience, leadership and ultimately people who will be demanding of their team mates. These lot are all pushovers & far too nice.

Do you think at Liverpool or City or Arsenal that their players in the dressing room, never mind the managers, would have accepted how that Burnley game went? Not a fat chance. 

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