Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

[lucio 5,418]

Just now, YorkshireBlue said:

So that wasn't potters fault? Potter had him playing well? 

Potter used enzo better than Poch for sure 

[robsblubot 3,507]

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Edited February 28 by robsblubot

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

6 minutes ago, lucio said:

Potter used enzo better than Poch for sure 

Didn't Enzo have alot more experience around him last season compared to this one? You have done an entire 360 and come back to my actual point.

So we are no better position wise really than last season, but we have lost the likes of kova jorgi Kante Reece James (injury) rlc azi, the entire back bone of the squad as it were, and replaced it with kids.

Edited February 28 by YorkshireBlue

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Didn't Enzo have alot more experience around him last season compared to this one? You have done an entire 360 and come back to my actual point.

 

he did have more experience but the back 3 system also would have helped , which I argued would have been a better bet for poch this season. 

one thing which Poch can’t control is Caicedo being signed because he’s just a horrific footballer with 0 potential who has hamstrung the team and enzo 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

Just now, lucio said:

 

he did have more experience but the back 3 system also would have helped , which I argued would have been a better bet for poch this season. 

one thing which Poch can’t control is Caicedo being signed because he’s just a horrific footballer with 0 potential who has hamstrung the team and enzo 

See that's the one argument I'd deffo make against Poch, caicedo is been asked to do far to much and is been relied on far to much, what he does well gets completely overshadowed by the mistakes he's basically forced to make.

[lucio 5,418]

The main point I’d make is : even if we had a great squad ready to compete - the last person I’d want to coach is Poch , so I see 0 sense in keeping him now 

[lucio 5,418]

2 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

See that's the one argument I'd deffo make against Poch, caicedo is been asked to do far to much and is been relied on far to much, what he does well gets completely overshadowed by the mistakes he's basically forced to make.

Even under no pressure he can barely make a good pass though , just isn’t talented. Mediocre passing range and first touch. Even if you watch his Brighton highlights it isn’t full of great passing 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

1 minute ago, lucio said:

Even under no pressure he can barely make a good pass though , just isn’t talented. Mediocre passing range and first touch. Even if you watch his Brighton highlights it isn’t full of great passing 

I'm not to arsed about the passing, he should have players around him to do that stuff, I want him doing what we should be doing best which is winning the ball back or closing lanes, as far as the post above, I think poch could actually do well with a team of decent players, if he could get us playing like his spurs team, I wouldn't have no issues at all, there were ruthless aggressive and played very good football.

[lucio 5,418]

2 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I'm not to arsed about the passing, he should have players around him to do that stuff, I want him doing what we should be doing best which is winning the ball back or closing lanes, as far as the post above, I think poch could actually do well with a team of decent players, if he could get us playing like his spurs team, I wouldn't have no issues at all, there were ruthless aggressive and played very good football.

Big clubs like city and Barca won’t tolerate midfielders who can’t pass let alone break records to sign them 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

Just now, lucio said:

Big clubs like city and Barca won’t tolerate midfielders who can’t pass let alone break records to sign them 

Kante wasn't a great passer but he did what he needed to very well, I'd take a prime kante all day long, if your recruiting is right you can get the destroyer in and the passers, city don't need the destroyer because they constantly have the ball, but not having one has damaged them in some games as well.

[Vegetable 830]

I wouldn't underestimate the manager's role.

Sure, he doesn't play, but it's manager's job to give a team an edge - some players flourish under right managers and are shit with others, either due to motivational skills or purely tactical ones like knowing how to use the players best assets (Rudiger, Jorgi were good only under one manager not without a reason). It's managers role to see and trust the players with potential and it's a manager who enables the synergy of the squad. Finally, it's a manager who imposes the mentality of the entire team and it's a crucial point sometimes. Let alone the tactical ingenuity that sometimes means winning with much stronger rival or turning the game around.

In our case, I'd admit our two CL wins largely to manager's input, we weren't exactly galacticos, especially with Tuchel's roster. He made the team believe they can go for it at some point.

Anyway, the point I wanted to make is that the club pretty literally told Nagelsmann, Amorim (so I find this rumor bs) and who knows who else they are not good enough compared to Poch, so I pretty much doubt they will come here. And judging by Clearlake's actions and ideas I'm genuinely concerned of who they could replace Pochettino with, so we have to take this into account as well - it won't be a logical choice out of elite managers.

[lucio 5,418]

Just now, YorkshireBlue said:

Kante wasn't a great passer but he did what he needed to very well, I'd take a prime kante all day long, if your recruiting is right you can get the destroyer in and the passers, city don't need the destroyer because they constantly have the ball, but not having one has damaged them in some games as well.

They had Fernandinho who was a lot more efficient on the ball than caicedo.

kante wasn’t the best passer yes but way better than caicedo , he also had great pace and acceleration which caicedo does not have 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

6 minutes ago, lucio said:

They had Fernandinho who was a lot more efficient on the ball than caicedo.

kante wasn’t the best passer yes but way better than caicedo , he also had great pace and acceleration which caicedo does not have 

Tbh caicedo has done some incredible passes and some atrocious ones aswell, but this is the whole problem with the team it's very inconsistent, if we got completely out played tactically and system Vs system wise in cases like these I always blame the manager, but stuff like missing 5 clear cut chances and players passing the ball like idiots and constantly giving it away, I blame the players, managers can come up with a plan and a system and an idea of what to do in the game, but player errors can instantly dismantle that within the first minute of the game. If we was consistently shit fair play, but we aren't some matches we are brilliant others we are total dross, if this was entirely on the manager we would be complete dross every game.

Edited February 28 by YorkshireBlue

[robsblubot 3,507]

3 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I wouldn't underestimate the manager's role.

Sure, he doesn't play, but it's manager's job to give a team an edge - some players flourish under right managers and are shit with others, either due to motivational skills or purely tactical ones like knowing how to use the players best assets (Rudiger, Jorgi were good only under one manager not without a reason). It's managers role to see and trust the players with potential and it's a manager who enables the synergy of the squad. Finally, it's a manager who imposes the mentality of the entire team and it's a crucial point sometimes. Let alone the tactical ingenuity that sometimes means winning with much stronger rival or turning the game around.

In our case, I'd admit our two CL wins largely to manager's input, we weren't exactly galacticos, especially with Tuchel's roster. He made the team believe they can go for it at some point.

Anyway, the point I wanted to make is that the club pretty literally told Nagelsmann, Amorim (so I find this rumor bs) and who knows who else they are not good enough compared to Poch, so I pretty much doubt they will come here. And judging by Clearlake's actions and ideas I'm genuinely concerned of who they could replace Pochettino with, so we have to take this into account as well - it won't be a logical choice out of elite managers.

Don't think we are saying the manager isn't important to win silverware -- it is!
Maybe I can think of a quack like Di Matteo and with that extremely experienced side winning the CL, but not many examples.
I personally consider this roster the very worst I've seen at Chelsea: extremely imbalanced, short (esp considering injured), overly young, and soft. 

Tuchel Cl team had a number of WC players... this roster has none. If we simply ignore personal opinions and personal preferences and simply list where those players, who still play competitively (not semi retired like Kante), play now that becomes very clear. We focus too much on Kai and Mount (won't go there) and ignore the strength in every area of the pitch including options in attack we don't have anymore. Would LOVE to have RLC as a bench option right now, for ex.

Regarding our inability to attrack the best managers, couldn't agree more. Not with these owners mentality atm.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

6 hours ago, TheHulk said:

Point is he improved players, meanwhile this sucker turned Enzo from last season into an average player.

Enzo wasn’t good every week last season though. He did show good moments in some games with Potter/Lampard but I got the feeling people were so delighted that we signed him that it was like he could do no wrong. He did struggle with some of the things he is struggling with again this season, mainly without the ball and positionally.

His performances have regressed this season - not all his fault but not like he doesn’t shoulder blame either - although he probably had his best game in a Chelsea shirt in Poch’s first game v Liverpool. That was the level I think many people were expecting him to aspire to reach in games this season. 

With him this season in particular its always the same old story. Has a good spell in a game when teams sit off then disappears when it gets tougher. Particularly when teams are more physical and get more dynamic, athletic players in and around him. He is easy to run off still and he can be caught in daft positions leaving huge gaps.

He really needs to decide what sort of player he is going to be. He can be the sort of player Twitter accounts post daft tweets after he’s had a stat padded game against a bottom half championship side where we have all of the ball, vs players who have a 10th of his talent and cost a 100th of his price like v Blackburn Rovers earlier in the cup this season. Or he can be the sort of player who is able to take a game by the scruff of the neck against the top teams irrespective of the number of touches, passes, etc he has like the likes of Kroos, Modric, de Jong etc. do most games. You tend to see the tougher those games get, the better the likes of those players seem to play.

Edited February 28 by OneMoSalah

[JFKvsNixon 35]

20 hours ago, lucio said:

 

he did have more experience but the back 3 system also would have helped , which I argued would have been a better bet for poch this season. 

one thing which Poch can’t control is Caicedo being signed because he’s just a horrific footballer with 0 potential who has hamstrung the team and enzo 

If Caicedo is so poor, why was Liverpool also willing to spend over £100 million on him?

Personally I think the problem is that he's gone from an organised team, where he knew exactly what his teammates would be doing, into a disjointed one where they seem to be making things up as they go along.

[lucio 5,418]

People defending this guy 😂 

 

[Vytis33 1,144]