The Next Manager?

[Fernando 6,585]

On 08/05/2024 at 22:28, Strike said:

Draw vs Villa, wins vs Spurs and West Ham when they're in horror form. I wish he piped down and continued to solve the problems he has created.

He has said the truth we are turning a corner. 

I suspect next season we will do much better. 

Finally turning a corner and he can see it. Now he will be foolish to stop this by sacking the manager. Hopefully he continues with Poch. 

[Reddish-Blue 2,512]

3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

He has said the truth we are turning a corner. 

Let's see if we can finish the season on a high and get some more wins. 

On 09/05/2024 at 12:28, Strike said:

wins vs Spurs and West Ham when they're in horror form

The positive is that we are winning those games, would have been easy for the players heads to drop after Arsenal walked all over us like it was nothing. 

[King Kante 1,643]

4 minutes ago, Fernando said:

He has said the truth we are turning a corner. 

I suspect next season we will do much better. 

Finally turning a corner and he can see it. Now he will be foolish to stop this by sacking the manager. Hopefully he continues with Poch. 

I think it is clear we are getting Amorim. I say this as: 

1) Poch either doesn't have a clue what is going on with his contract/has been too grumpy when questioned about his contract. 

2) Amorim was clearly the Dippers first choice before Slot. Then he went on that weird plane trip to West Ham where no is sure where he went but it doesn't appear to be to talk to West Ham. 

It looks highly likely Amorim is leaving this year for a new job as otherwise he wouldn't be so public in going to 'interviews' as his stock is high and Sporting aren't some sort of tinpot team. 

Only other club he may have done that with is Utd but I am not sure Utd's board are in a position to actually put something together yet because of the gardening leave they're on. 

[Fernando 6,585]

28 minutes ago, King Kante said:

I think it is clear we are getting Amorim. I say this as: 

1) Poch either doesn't have a clue what is going on with his contract/has been too grumpy when questioned about his contract. 

2) Amorim was clearly the Dippers first choice before Slot. Then he went on that weird plane trip to West Ham where no is sure where he went but it doesn't appear to be to talk to West Ham. 

It looks highly likely Amorim is leaving this year for a new job as otherwise he wouldn't be so public in going to 'interviews' as his stock is high and Sporting aren't some sort of tinpot team. 

Only other club he may have done that with is Utd but I am not sure Utd's board are in a position to actually put something together yet because of the gardening leave they're on. 

That will the dumbest thing they do. 

Amorin is another AVB. Someone who don't have experience from PL and will pull us back another year. 

Keep Poch, he already had one season and knows the players a bit better. Don't need the phase of "trying out" players. 

[Strike 7,504]

40 minutes ago, Fernando said:

He has said the truth we are turning a corner. 

I suspect next season we will do much better. 

Finally turning a corner and he can see it. Now he will be foolish to stop this by sacking the manager. Hopefully he continues with Poch. 

Villa, West Ham and Spurs have been losing frequently. I would like to wait before thinking that the overall performance levels have increased. A much bigger sample size is needed before thinking we've turned a corner. Although I am happy to continue with Poch rather than uproot the system again

[King Kante 1,643]

6 minutes ago, Fernando said:

That will the dumbest thing they do. 

Amorin is another AVB. Someone who don't have experience from PL and will pull us back another year. 

Keep Poch, he already had one season and knows the players a bit better. Don't need the phase of "trying out" players. 

I cannot say I don't think Amorim is a massive risk, however like @Strike I need a lot more evidence in the next few games that Poch has 'turned a corner' and hasn't just been fortunate with playing out of form teams. 

Whilst, I am happy to say Poch has had a lot of issues to deal with, he has also done/not seen a lot of concerning things throughout the season. For me, keeping him on and then him going back to par is also a massive risk for next season. 

[Fernando 6,585]

35 minutes ago, King Kante said:

I cannot say I don't think Amorim is a massive risk, however like @Strike I need a lot more evidence in the next few games that Poch has 'turned a corner' and hasn't just been fortunate with playing out of form teams. 

Whilst, I am happy to say Poch has had a lot of issues to deal with, he has also done/not seen a lot of concerning things throughout the season. For me, keeping him on and then him going back to par is also a massive risk for next season. 

I doubt we go back to par because we are finishing the season strong and always, I mean always when we end the season like that it spills in the new season until we start to decrease in November. 

That being said one of the biggest bad for me was Maatsen. I always wanted to give him a try before Cucu, but he kept up with him during that time. Now Cucu has improve, but it would have been better a younger product from Chelsea to be giving the time to adjust. Kind of like he did with Gallagher. 

But in the end you can't win them all. 

[King Kante 1,643]

21 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I doubt we go back to par because we are finishing the season strong and always, I mean always when we end the season like that it spills in the new season until we start to decrease in November. 

That being said one of the biggest bad for me was Maatsen. I always wanted to give him a try before Cucu, but he kept up with him during that time. Now Cucu has improve, but it would have been better a younger product from Chelsea to be giving the time to adjust. Kind of like he did with Gallagher. 

But in the end you can't win them all. 

Well, the Maatsen situation was more broadly to do with his insistence not to revert back to a 343 even though the squad make up at times made this the most obvious fit. Instead we wasted a year of Colwills development playing him at LB, Maatsen never got a chance, Caicedo and Enzo got played into the ground/exposed as Gallagher should've never left the pivot to help them out, while he could then play to his strengths and arrive later to the attacking phases rather than instigate them. The there was is refusal to drop Disaster, Sanchez, Sterling and Caicedo at times - even for there own sakes. 

Then there are his: 

A) substitutions, which to this day are still purely reactive rather than proactive

B) his tactics if the game gets tight where he decides to play the game out for a draw even if we aren't set up for it and he insteads tells the teams to drop 10 yards and get tighter together whilst leaving positional clowns like Disaster and Caicedo (particularly up until two months ago) on the pitch. 

For me, beating up Everton, West Ham and Tottenham- whilst in poor form - isn't enough for me after what I have witnessed all season. 

That isn't to say he should be sacked, it is just that I am still seriously unconvinced and will need to see more evidence/see who is a actual possible replacement. 

Edited May 10, 2024 by King Kante

[Mhsc 1,098]

I think it is obvious Poch is not a top manager anymore, if he ever was. He's not terrible either. Tactically he has not moved with the times until recently, where finally he's deployed the kind of 3-2-5 attacking setup that most of the top teams of the last few years have been using. Graham Potter in all honestly probably would have done a better job this year.

But, at this point I can see the merit in keeping him on. Let the players have continuity under him for one more season. Another year to develop and assess this squad we've built. Start to fix our reputation for sacking managers too soon and not giving them a fair shot. Then bring in a top manager and go after a couple of players to hopefully finish off the puzzle of a side that can compete for titles under one of the world's elite managers, who inherits a squad of players who are close to entering their prime instead of being a little undercooked.

 

Edited May 10, 2024 by Mhsc

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

On 08/05/2024 at 23:37, Vesper said:

lol at people who want Tuchel back

That's harsh on Tuchel. He is by no means perfect but he did not do an awful lot wrong here or at Bayern apart from his style of football which might not be everyone's cup of tea. Both Bayern and our team have been dysfunctional units for the past 2 years with a lot of disarray in the club hierachies as well. He showed character steadying the ship during the war turmoil in 2022 here as well as at Bayern when they switched the entire C-level and even after they harshly terminated him. While Boehly was stupid to fire him prematurely which cost us last season, TT is probably not the right coach for us at the moment. This immature team needs to grow. I can not see them learning to express themselves on the pitch and build leadership structures under a control freak like him. Just as I can not see us winning anything signficant under Poch but you can not deny most players have progressed. In 2 or 3 years when most of them will hit their prime years we need a proven winner as coach to get the maximum out of the squad. If TT is still going strong by then, he should be considered. Many fans still adore him, and TT still speaks highly about our club and the appreciation he recieved in England. Back then it was a good fit  bc he represented a lot of he club's core values. He will be back coaching in the PL very soon and will be an absolute pain for us if he indeed takes the ManUre job.

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

Tuchel vs Ratcliffe.

What could go wrong. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Tuchel vs Ratcliffe.

What could go wrong. 

Depends though.

Radcliffe isn’t actually hugely successful in football with his team in France. Man United haven’t been particularly successful the past 11 years and I think if the appointments INEOS have made/makes and any manager were on the right page, it wouldn’t be as difficult as some may imagine, even if it were Tuchel, Conte or a Mourinho. 

I think with it being a fresh impetus at Man United so to speak - with the ethos seeming to be Jim Radcliffe & INEOS know they need to get back to where they were, with a hugely competent operator with the NUFC sporting director also going to be in place, most managers would see that as as interesting job. As long as they are on the same page with expectations.

I think Tuchel’s spells at Dortmund and PSG have been much more about falling out with people than his spell at Bayern. Bayern are maybe more similar to us in the fact over the past 2/3 years they’ve been a mess on and off the pitch and need a regeneration.

Whilst here, I think Boehly put too much responsibility on Tuchel with involvement with the transfer side of things like the frequency of dealings/meetings with players/agents as opposed to letting him just come in at a later stage. That certainly had a huge effect on that relationship deteriorating. But I think they were still naive in pulling the plug and believe that they would undo the decision if they had the chance again.

Edited May 10, 2024 by OneMoSalah

[Vesper 30,234]

Inter have deal all but done to secure Simone Inzaghi future

https://thedailybriefing.io/i/144496734/inter-have-deal-all-but-done-to-secure-simone-inzaghi-future

Inter Milan coach Simone Inzaghi has agreed to stay at the Giuseppe Meazza this summer. Undoubtedly he has shown himself to be one of the best managers in Europe over the last couple of years, but he is happy to commit to Inter.

Negotiations with Inter have reached a conclusion more or less, the one detail that is missing is how long the deal will be, but it will be a minimum of two more years, three years is also in the discussion. Once that is sorted, then the next step will be to make the announcement. They want to continue together, they have an agreement.

[Strike 7,504]

14 hours ago, Fernando said:

I doubt we go back to par because we are finishing the season strong and always, I mean always when we end the season like that it spills in the new season until we start to decrease in November. 

That being said one of the biggest bad for me was Maatsen. I always wanted to give him a try before Cucu, but he kept up with him during that time. Now Cucu has improve, but it would have been better a younger product from Chelsea to be giving the time to adjust. Kind of like he did with Gallagher. 

But in the end you can't win them all. 

I'm curious what are you basing this on? I think there's every chance we regress under Poch. Even the best case scenario under Poch was that he is holding the role to provide some stability before we can bring in a top manager. 

I think Poch should continue because I don't see a standout manager available right now. 

[Reddish-Blue 2,512]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

I'm curious what are you basing this on? I think there's every chance we regress under Poch

Even if Amorim/De Zerbi walked through the doors at Stamford Bridge, there is every chance that we regress next season.   It's unfortunate but there's no high level manager out there that can come in and make us compete for top 4 next season. 

Plenty of questions heading into next season with Thiago's leadership gone and we still don't have a first choice GK, wonder if we stick with Kepa? 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,341]

1 hour ago, Reddish-Blue said:

  It's unfortunate but there's no high level manager out there that can come in and make us compete for top 4 next season 

?? We are top4 team already. Table last 20 rounds shows that or second part of the season. So Poch accomplished that even tho all the injuries and stuff... ofc we need to fix a lot of things especially in defense but we are already there...

[Mhsc 1,098]

57 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

?? We are top4 team already. Table last 20 rounds shows that or second part of the season. So Poch accomplished that even tho all the injuries and stuff... ofc we need to fix a lot of things especially in defense but we are already there...

That does not mean we are a top 4 team. We have picked up results recently vs teams that got something against us earlier in the season, when they played with more passion and had something to play for. It is easier to get results later in the season vs teams with nothing left to play for. We have no evidence that this side can put in a top 4 run over a whole season until we actually see it.

My feeling though is with less injuries this squad could probably get a top 4 finish with proper management without making any signings at all. Poch should be able to do it next season if we are not absolutely cursed with injuries, or the directors make some signings to replace constantly injured players.

Edited May 11, 2024 by Mhsc

[milka 3,393]

Of all injuries  only James and Nkunku will make impact everyone else is not a  Chelsea level.  Let's be real .  Lavia and Fofana are injury prones you don't know what kind of players will be back after such injuries .  Everyone else is at best rotation players. The injuries are no excuse when class is lacking anyway.

[Clockwork 1,794]

Top 4 would have been easily achievable with a decent manager. I don't care this squad is incredibly underperformed under Poch. Villa and Spuds should not be ahead of us. A draw and 2 wins, people acting like Poch is turning the table. Expectation is that low.

 

 

[Pizy 18,959]

There is EASILY enough talent in this squad to finish top 4. More than enough.

In my opinion these Poch comments over the past 24 hours read as if he’s setting up a “the club and I both decided that it is best we part ways” statement at the end of the season. Unless we win these last 3 matches in super impressive fashion and he feels like a corner has truly been turned I think he walks. He almost certainly feels undermined and left out to dry by the constant questioning of his job.

Tbh, I’m not bothered either way. If he stays it’s probably a positive for the club to have some stability. If he goes, oh well. 

I know everyone seems to be really down on De Zerbi these days but I’d still gladly take him. We need this sort of manager who is fanatical in his style and has a clearly defined way of playing. There’s a reason many people saw him as the successor to Pep at City not too long ago. I don’t believe someone can go from the hottest manager around to dogshit in the span of a few months.