The Next Manager?

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

This will never happen, you need background to be able to do a great job (money to be more specific). It is not about being smart, it is about creating a name. Then, the good job opportunities will come. You talk like their only quality is chosing where to manage, like if doing so they are automatically winners.

There is a lot of hard work in it too. Also, they are not smart in what they do, everyone would do the same. The difference is that they have climbed their way up (without resources at first) and now they can comfortably choose the best option.

You talk like Mourinho is a winner because he knows how to choose where to go and Harry Redknapp isnt because he doesnt. It is not like this! Harry would have gone to Real or Chelsea if we was offered such jobs, but he wasnt and Jose and Rafa were...

Mourinho is a winner because he went to places where he could win. Every single team he has been at, has been the highest spending team in the league and every single team post-Porto has been one of the elite teams in the world.

There are three ways managers get considered great.

1) Get a job at a great club- Guardiola earn his shot with Barcelona how? Managing Barcelona B? If he had been hired to manage Celta Vigo instead, nobody would have ever heard of him because Celta Vigo would still be crap and he'd have been fired after a year. He did a very good job with Barcelona, but he had the best club team in history and unlimited money to work with. Tito Vilanova has no experience at all and is doing even better than Guardiola so far.

2) Get a job in a club that values stability and is run well and stay there long enough where you can implement your own system, buy your own players, and have the full backing of the board. The three best managers in the Premier League in terms of out-performing spending are probably Wenger, SAF, and Moyes. The clubs they managed before their current assignments? Aberdeen, Nagoya Grampus Eight, and Preston North End. None of them "earned" the right to be at the clubs they are by working their way up. (and really, IMO shows how silly the idea of needing to hire a big name is. Also, if it were Chelsea, Moyes would have been fired after a year when Everton finished 17th. Wenger would have been allowed, probably one, maybe two seasons of finishing second before getting the can although he'd have probably quit/been fired over lack of control in the transfer market before then, and Ferguson would have been fired after two seasons when United finished 11th.)

3) Get a job with a club at the right time and do a good job and their style often is a good fit with the players they have and...they also get lucky. Take Rafa. He did a good job at Valencia but he also took charge of them at the perfect time. Valencia had a host of extremely talented players who were coming into the club just then. At the same time, both Barcelona and Real Madrid were struggling. That's not to say that Rafa didn't do a good job, he took Valencia further than they would be expected to go. He did very well but...if he were named manager of Valencia say, in 2004, when Real Madrid and Barcelona became dominant, he never would have won anything. Valencia isn't not winning now because they don''t have a good manager, they're not winning because they aren't good enough.

The myth of the power of the manager is so vastly over-blown. Managers can make a difference, especially when the club gives them the backing so that players know they have to listen. Managers can be awful and destroy a team or they can be good and give a team that extra bit of help. Just not fucking up is often good enough though.

[Bacika 188]

Would love to see Guardiola, but for long term... Just saw this http://www.marca.com/2013/01/13/en/football/international_football/1358101828.html

Wenger: "Guardiola started with caviar at Barça and would get it again at Chelsea"

I think he is right, we have a lot of young and quality players, he could take them to the higher level...

But if we can't get Guardiola, the I wouldn't mind to seeJoachim Low here

[Rmpr 8,977]

Mourinho is a winner because he went to places where he could win. Every single team he has been at, has been the highest spending team in the league and every single team post-Porto has been one of the elite teams in the world.

There are three ways managers get considered great.

1) Get a job at a great club- Guardiola earn his shot with Barcelona how? Managing Barcelona B? If he had been hired to manage Celta Vigo instead, nobody would have ever heard of him because Celta Vigo would still be crap and he'd have been fired after a year. He did a very good job with Barcelona, but he had the best club team in history and unlimited money to work with. Tito Vilanova has no experience at all and is doing even better than Guardiola so far.

2) Get a job in a club that values stability and is run well and stay there long enough where you can implement your own system, buy your own players, and have the full backing of the board. The three best managers in the Premier League in terms of out-performing spending are probably Wenger, SAF, and Moyes. The clubs they managed before their current assignments? Aberdeen, Nagoya Grampus Eight, and Preston North End. None of them "earned" the right to be at the clubs they are by working their way up. (and really, IMO shows how silly the idea of needing to hire a big name is. Also, if it were Chelsea, Moyes would have been fired after a year when Everton finished 17th. Wenger would have been allowed, probably one, maybe two seasons of finishing second before getting the can although he'd have probably quit/been fired over lack of control in the transfer market before then, and Ferguson would have been fired after two seasons when United finished 11th.)

3) Get a job with a club at the right time and do a good job and their style often is a good fit with the players they have and...they also get lucky. Take Rafa. He did a good job at Valencia but he also took charge of them at the perfect time. Valencia had a host of extremely talented players who were coming into the club just then. At the same time, both Barcelona and Real Madrid were struggling. That's not to say that Rafa didn't do a good job, he took Valencia further than they would be expected to go. He did very well but...if he were named manager of Valencia say, in 2004, when Real Madrid and Barcelona became dominant, he never would have won anything. Valencia isn't not winning now because they don''t have a good manager, they're not winning because they aren't good enough.

The myth of the power of the manager is so vastly over-blown. Managers can make a difference, especially when the club gives them the backing so that players know they have to listen. Managers can be awful and destroy a team or they can be good and give a team that extra bit of help. Just not fucking up is often good enough though.

So you are basically saying managers need luck just like every other job in the planet?

[Tomo 21,751]

I'd take Wenger here in a heartbeat. He has no money to spend and a squad with about 2 class player and still has them in the conversation every year.

Imagine what he could do with our squad and resources.

He also had a team that on paper should have been dominating Europe, yet they struggled to shrug off a United side deep in a transition period.

[DH1988 1,346]

I cannot understand why people want Pep? Inherited an amazing squad, including the worlds best player that consistently changes matches by himself let alone Xavi and Iniesta, it is always attack attack attack, he seems to have no plan B. Tactically I haven't seen anything special either!

It is going to be such a mistake to appoint Pep and he will get a massive pay off, Roman will finally realise he cannot achieve his dream of Barca and probably sell up! Ok maybe not the last part but..

[The only place to be 11,313]

I cannot understand why people want Pep? Inherited an amazing squad, including the worlds best player that consistently changes matches by himself let alone Xavi and Iniesta, it is always attack attack attack, he seems to have no plan B. Tactically I haven't seen anything special either!

It is going to be such a mistake to appoint Pep and he will get a massive pay off, Roman will finally realise he cannot achieve his dream of Barca and probably sell up! Ok maybe not the last part but..

Because everything I've read and heard about him makes him sound like the best choice for us going forward. It's one thing to have a good squad, but getting them playing good football and working hard is another thing, plus he's a great tactician in my opinion. Look at the Champions League Final against United where he completely outwitted Ferguson. He's not perfect by any means but I like his view on football and on life in general.

Plus I've said this before, but I think he's one of the few managers out there that Roman would give enough time to.

The other guy I'd personally like is Klopp but I can't see him coming here any time soon.

I think what the poll shows is people like what's familiar and are prepared to ignore Mourinho's last days at the Bridge, the fact he doesn't work well with Roman, that he doesn't want to work under a DoF, that some of his behaviour has been pathetic (gouging a guy's eye is what cunts do I'm afraid) and that his Madrid team (with the second best player in the world and millions of pounds worth of talent) are languishing in 3rd place behind their neighbours. Plus there's the old sporting (and shagging) adage of 'never go back'.

[Bacika 188]

Just saw this on twitter... Tancredi Palmeri ‏@tancredipalmeri

According to Sky Italy, Guardiola reached an agreement with Bayern Munich

This might be true, and I think Bayern has best chances to sign him.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Sky reporting that Pep reached an agreement with Bayern. Let the forum erupt

[Hutcho 8,443]

Well they have been strong favourites recently so it wouldn't be overly surprising. Oh well shit happens... Klopp would be my next choice other than the special one which seems highly unlikely... Or low actually...

[Rmpr 8,977]

Pep has already agreed to coach Bayern, ManCity, Chelsea and to return to Barcelona...

Lets wait before we go crazy!

[Corner 456]

There's nothing on the Sky website as far as I can see.

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

It's Sky Italia reporting it

[bababoom 4,478]

It's Sky Italia reporting it

They're not the most reliable, especially when it's about other leagues.

I guess we'll have to wait and see, one day it's Chlesea the next City and now Bayern..

[bababoom 4,478]

Guillem Balague ‏@GuillemBalague

About Guardiola and Bayern: it's categorically NOT TRUE that he's agreed with Bayern. Or with anybody yet

[Stats 7,136]

Guardiola can only be judged on his time at Barca. The question is to what extent this shows Guardiola's skills. Is it to Pep's credit that they performed so well? Vilanova seems to be doing even better so far. What can Pep do with players of less quality? There's no way to tell. I see no reason at all why Pep couldnt fail just as miserably as most of our managers.

Really hard one. Mourinho proved himself in his time at the Bridge and will seem to be the most obvious choice but I think Abramovich, if he has the choice will want Guardiola.