Graham Potter Thread

[Laylabelle 9,351]

51 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yup go a goal down and we will have loads of possession outside their box, but pose no threat until the last minute when a desperate ball is launched into the penalty area. How times have changed

And you'd always trust the subs..someone would come on and change the game. Except now..the good ole days!

[Vesper 28,802]

meanwhile, Brighton, Potter's old team is on fire, playing glorious football at times

they destroyed West Ham 4 nil yesterday

Rice was shit, the 2 man MF of Caicedo and Pascal Groß (yes, Pascal Groß, lol) crushed the Hammers in MF

BHA's entire starting XI is valued at around £165m, lol, including an 18yo CF worth £880K , and a 32yo backup keeper worth £530K

and Joël Veltman replaced Tariq Lamptey in the 16th minute because of an injury.

highlights:

https://sbbrisk.com/gaqngz5nfewj.html

it is shameful how poor we are offensively compared to them

Edited March 5, 2023 by Vesper

[Superblue 6,370]

2 hours ago, Mhsc said:

Don't really think Todd was impressed. Saw us revert to a formation he wanted rid of and all we got out of it was a scrappy 1-0 from a corner. If we lose against Dortmund I hope he we see someone appointed the following morning.

What do you mean he wanted rid of?

Do you seriously think he's exerting influence over who's playing, the formation of the team, etc?!

[Vegetable 830]

3 minutes ago, Superblue said:

Do you seriously think he's exerting influence over who's playing, the formation of the team, etc?!

There was some rumors that the ownership somehow wanted to influence the squad selections and formation and it didn't go down well with Tuchel. May be some truth to it, may be not…

[Mhsc 876]

31 minutes ago, Superblue said:

What do you mean he wanted rid of?

Do you seriously think he's exerting influence over who's playing, the formation of the team, etc?!

IMO Todd and co set the strategy and identity they want the club to have, which includes at a high level that we should be an attacking side and indeed that we should play certain formation(s) which is strongly rumoured to be 4-3-3. I think Todd would expect to set this at a high level to coordinate that from youth upwards everyone is playing to the same hymn sheet and that all the clubs in the network he is trying to create are in sync with one another. They are hiring managers, recruitment staff etc to align with that vision, but are not on a day-to-day basis telling anyone that they need to do this or that. All just imo of course.

[cosmicway 1,323]

Potter's story reminds me of a similar Greek situation many years ago.
It's the year 1968.
The manager of AEK Athens is the legendary Jene Chaknady.
This German-Hungarian manager is an absolute myth and he is the best ever manager to manage a Greek team.
AEK win the league for 1967-78 handsomly.
Yet Chaknady is sacked,
They sacked him because he asked for a pay rise.
In comes Jugoslav Branco Stankovic, who also was a big name in Jugoslavia.
But the fans are cursing him - they want their hero back.
This coupled with some strange player contract terminations makes everyone very angry.

But Branco Stankovic knew his job.
Rebuilds the team, manages to reach the stage of eight in the champions cup (incredible for Greece those years).
So he too becomes one of the club legends.

In the Potter tragedy, Thomas Tuchel is in the role of Jene Chaknady.
But Potter ?
He 's been in the club for several months -since the 9th of September 2022- and Chelsea look like an amateur side.
He managed to win the champions league group against inferior opposition (Zagreb-Salzburg and what remains of
AC Milan). Also some spurious wins such as against Crystal Palace and Leeds.

His opponents were wrong at first because Potter had nothing to do with Tuchel's dismissal, but now ;

Edited March 5, 2023 by cosmicway

[NikkiCFC 7,950]

2 hours ago, Mhsc said:

IMO Todd and co set the strategy and identity they want the club to have, which includes at a high level that we should be an attacking side and indeed that we should play certain formation(s) which is strongly rumoured to be 4-3-3. I think Todd would expect to set this at a high level to coordinate that from youth upwards everyone is playing to the same hymn sheet and that all the clubs in the network he is trying to create are in sync with one another. They are hiring managers, recruitment staff etc to align with that vision, but are not on a day-to-day basis telling anyone that they need to do this or that. All just imo of course.

And rightly so. Playing 3 atb is kinda small team mentality. Absolutely not acceptable long term. 

[Vegetable 830]

We are clearly going 1-8-1 as an endgame, given the transfer activity.

I don't really get what does all that 3 atb vs 4 atb fuss is about. We are not parking the bus anyway, so what's the difference?

Fun thing is it's not like every single team have it's distinct formation - teams are generally slightly altered variant's on what's on top at the moment, because, you know, there's an opposition playing certain formation and, you know, it works. Football went from 4-4-2 to some form of 3-4-3 so I don't see a point of reinventing the wheel for sake of it. Unless Potter is seriously about to pull some Ted Lasso stuff, but it doesn't seem like it so far. 

[NikkiCFC 7,950]

18 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

We are clearly going 1-8-1 as an endgame, given the transfer activity.

I don't really get what does all that 3 atb vs 4 atb fuss is about. We are not parking the bus anyway, so what's the difference?

Fun thing is it's not like every single team have it's distinct formation - teams are generally slightly altered variant's on what's on top at the moment, because, you know, there's an opposition playing certain formation and, you know, it works. Football went from 4-4-2 to some form of 3-4-3 so I don't see a point of reinventing the wheel for sake of it. Unless Potter is seriously about to pull some Ted Lasso stuff, but it doesn't seem like it so far. 

Best teams like Barca, Real, Bayern, Liverpool and City pretty much play same formation for ages. 

[Vesper 28,802]

Potter OUT

[TheHulk 1,855]

Potter out.

[cosmicway 1,323]

I 'v been looking at things from a different angle.

Potter is unpopular because the club dismissed Tuchel in order to hire him and Thomas Tuchel was an icon.
It's unfair for two reasons: a) It's not Potter's fault that the Chelsea board sacked Tuchel, b) the problems we see now existed in Tuchel days as well.
Chelsea cannot score goals with the fluency of ages past (Lamps-Didier, Diego-Hazard) but were they doing much better last year ?

Surprisingly the problem in the scoring department to an extent disappears against continental opposition, or it looks that way from several results.
This may be because the continental teams are not marking people man to man as hard as the premiership teams and this suits the Chelsea forwards.
But overall there is a problem and although Potter seemingly has no solution it's not HIS problem. It's a problem he inherited.

The way I see it is that the Chelsea attackers are absolutely clueless when they have to play the ball in the vicinity of the semicirlce, in the opponents half.
All they can do is lose the ball and hence they are unable to split defenses and create chances.
Some other big teams like Paris Saint Germain and Real Madrid do not have the same problem and I will of course confront anyone who says to to me "how dare you compare PSG and RM with Chelsea ?".
Against whom am I supposed to compare Chelsea, the champions of Europe only two years ago ? Everton or Notts Forest ?
So we don't have good enough players in this part of the pitch.
Havertz has no business playing there, Sterling little things, Pulisic-Ziyech-Aube no way. Joao Felix looks like an improvement and about Mudryk I don't know if he is going to shine but in his first four weeks with the club he has n't. Lukaku and Werner who are gone now were similarly problematic.
I don't know what Boehly plans for next summer but for now those players I mentioned will stay the same if we bring tomorrow Zidane, Pochetiino, Unay Emery or anyone else like that.

Having said all that, I 'm not impressed by Graham Potter. It's a gordian knot he has to solve but gordian knot or whatever he has n't solved it.
But I think the situation is best described like this: We don't at this moment have a forward line worthy of the history of the club. This is the real problem.

Edited March 5, 2023 by cosmicway

[Hot Dawg 17]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Potter OUT

Hermione IN 😁

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,477]

 

[TheHulk 1,855]

What's Todd's obsession with Brighton?

[Vegetable 830]

2 hours ago, TheHulk said:

What's Todd's obsession with Brighton?

Maybe he doesn't realize Ted Lasso is about Crystal Palace, not Brighton…

Edited March 7, 2023 by Vegetable

[Mhsc 876]

I don't know boys. Maybe I'm Potter in again.

[NikkiCFC 7,950]

How he doesn't have Sir title is beyond me...