Graham Potter Thread

[Hashishi 148]

  On 06/02/2023 at 19:52, ZAPHOD2319 said:

With all this talk about Potter out, didn't they give him a rather long contract? There could be FFP complications to buying him out and bringing in a high profile manager that demands high wages.

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I think it's 20m over 5 years. It just means 1 less signing in the summer.

[robsblubot 3,595]

  On 06/02/2023 at 19:52, ZAPHOD2319 said:

With all this talk about Potter out, didn't they give him a rather long contract? There could be FFP complications to buying him out and bringing in a high profile manager that demands high wages.

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Not only that, but also the signings the club has been making. They all aim next season + and do not necessarily address the issues the team has today.

I suspect the club will be working hard to determine which players will remain and which players will be let go/involved in deals in the future.

I'm not a fan of his work (previous as well), but I don't see Potter going anywhere this season.

Edited February 6, 2023 by robsblubot

[Gundalf 804]

Guy definitely deserves a full preseason with a balanced, injury free squad. 

[Vegetable 830]

  On 06/02/2023 at 20:19, robsblubot said:

Not only that, but also the signings the club has been making. They all aim next season + and do not necessarily address the issues the team has today.

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I'd say yes and no. If they are not solving our problems now, they won't solve them in 6 months time as well. There is a lot of talk about "future" and "next season", but there is no sign of anything actually starting to develop towards the "future". We have to start to produce something now.

I don't know what people are thinking. Potter really had it more comfortable, than anyone in PL so far. What's gonna happen "next season"? He is going to finally read "managing top club for dummies"? Develop some mentality in himself? We will throw another 600 million into new players? Or this whole fuss was only to prove we are solely hanging on James individual effort?

The "injuries" talk is also half-bs. Except James, the injuries are Kante, who may not be here next season, Zakaria, who may not be here next season and Mendy, Fofana, Pulisic and Broja, who are not making the starting 11 anyway as things stand now. So the "injuries" excuse for Potter pretty much comes to James being out.

[Vesper 29,450]

  On 06/02/2023 at 22:54, Vegetable said:

So the "injuries" excuse for Potter pretty much comes to James being out.

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could not disagree more

number one you left out a huge player, Chilly

and

Kante, Kovacic, Chilwell, Reece, Wes Fofana, Broja, Sterling, Mendy, Zakaria, RLC,  and Pulisic all have been injured, some for ages, and many of these are key players

this instantly discredits your thesis

Edited February 6, 2023 by Vesper

[Vegetable 830]

  On 06/02/2023 at 23:03, Vesper said:

could not disagree more

number one you left out a huge player, Chilly

and

Kante, Chilwell, Reece, Wes Fofana, Broja, Mendy, Zakaria, RLC,  and Pulisic all have been injured, some for ages, and many of these are key players

this instantly discredits your thesis

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I Respect the opinion. Missed Chilwell indeed. As for others, people should decide if they want those players out or we cannot function without them as one contradicts other a bit.

Kante is a key player imo, but people were bashing him endlessly and wanted out before he got injured. Fofana is rotation for now, Zakaria did good for whole two games he had chance to play, Mendy was benched anyway, Broja hardly a starter, rest is on transfer list. I wouldn't say lack of RLC, Broja or Puli is something that instantly puts us in 10th place really.

Edited February 6, 2023 by Vegetable

[Vesper 29,450]

  On 06/02/2023 at 23:10, Vegetable said:

I Respect the opinion. Missed Chilwell indeed. As for others, people should decide if they want those players out or we cannot function without them as one contradicts other a bit.

Kante is a key player imo, but people were bashing him endlessly and wanted out before he got injured. Fofana is rotation for now, Zakaria did good for whole two games he had chance to play, Mendy was benched anyway, rest is on transfer list. I wouldn't say lack of RLC, Broja or Puli is something that instantly puts us in 10th place really.

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Kova too

injuries have played a MASSIVE role in why we are fucked atm

I never bashed Kante's play

I said long ago we should sell him for huge cash whilst we still can because he is going to start to fall apart physically

and I was correct

[Superblue 6,372]

  On 06/02/2023 at 19:52, ZAPHOD2319 said:

With all this talk about Potter out, didn't they give him a rather long contract? There could be FFP complications to buying him out and bringing in a high profile manager that demands high wages.

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It's been reported that the new players bought in over the last two windows and the players signing new contracts have much more heavily incentivised contracts now, and also wage drops if they fail to reach the Champions League.

I'd be surprised if Potter doesn't also fall into this bracket with regards to remuneration. I also wouldn't be shocked if the club have included some form of break clauses or lower compensation to move him on in the event of failure for Champions League qualification, etc.

[YorkshireBlue 3,175]

One thing I find funny is, people bang on about how we was a top 4 team that got to the champions League semis last year, but quickly forget how many of them players have been injured all this year! Funny how things are twisted to fit people's narrative.

Edited February 6, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[lucio 5,418]

  On 06/02/2023 at 20:24, Gundalf said:

Guy definitely deserves a full preseason with a balanced, injury free squad. 

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Based on what? His current results or his unbelievable time at Brighton? Curious to why he deserves us to potentially derail next season just to give him more time.

[Gundalf 804]

  On 07/02/2023 at 00:04, lucio said:

Based on what? His current results or his unbelievable time at Brighton? Curious to why he deserves us to potentially derail next season just to give him more time.

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Because no one can assess his work. Guy jumped in in September, had no squad for weeks during and after the world cup and had only half of the squad available since then. Did Potter even have a single full training week with the whole squad yet?

To say Potter has failed already and shouting for a sack based on the given circumstances is just dubious and populist. 

[TheHulk 2,046]

  On 07/02/2023 at 12:57, Gundalf said:

Because no one can assess his work. Guy jumped in in September, had no squad for weeks during and after the world cup and had only half of the squad available since then. Did Potter even have a single full training week with the whole squad yet?

To say Potter has failed already and shouting for a sack based on the given circumstances is just dubious and populist. 

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As if you need a full squad to avoid domination by Nottingham and Fullham, the excuses some find for this guy is amazing. Diche in his first match, with a shit squad and no transfers already did more than Potter did in 6 months.

Edited February 7, 2023 by TheHulk

[lucio 5,418]

  On 07/02/2023 at 12:57, Gundalf said:

Because no one can assess his work. Guy jumped in in September, had no squad for weeks during and after the world cup and had only half of the squad available since then. Did Potter even have a single full training week with the whole squad yet?

To say Potter has failed already and shouting for a sack based on the given circumstances is just dubious and populist. 

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Yes we can't win more than 2 in 11 games because the world cup happened.

[Gundalf 804]

  On 07/02/2023 at 13:23, TheHulk said:

As if you need a full squad to avoid domination by Nottingham and Fullham, the excuses some find for this guy is amazing. Diche in his first match, with a shit squad and no transfers already did more than Potter did in 6 months.

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We were shit under Tuchel as well, who didnt have so many injuries. We got destroyed by Leeds, we got humiliated by Southampton, were the joke of the month after Zagreb. We still see the shadows of Tuchels summer. Tuchel ruined this club. 

And to be fair: the first few weeks under Potter were way better than under Tuchel. 7 wins in his first 10 games. Then came the injuries and the WC. 

You really think appointing a random new manager at this moment would make anything better? Delusional. Especially if I hear names like Poch or Enrique, these specialists in failure. 

[lucio 5,418]

  On 07/02/2023 at 13:47, Gundalf said:

We were shit under Tuchel as well, who didnt have so many injuries. We got destroyed by Leeds, we got humiliated by Southampton, were the joke of the month after Zagreb. We still see the shadows of Tuchels summer. Tuchel ruined this club. 

And to be fair: the first few weeks under Potter were way better than under Tuchel. 7 wins in his first 10 games. Then came the injuries and the WC. 

You really think appointing a random new manager at this moment would make anything better? Delusional. Especially if I hear names like Poch or Enrique, these specialists in failure. 

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Yes treble winning Enrique is a specialist in failure whereas Graham has achieved it all coming mid table with Brighton and Chelsea. Lay off the drink buddy 

[Gundalf 804]

  On 07/02/2023 at 13:49, lucio said:

Yes treble winning Enrique is a specialist in failure whereas Graham has achieved it all coming mid table with Brighton and Chelsea. Lay off the drink buddy 

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This is like Germanys WC win the year before. They won despite Enrique, not bc of him. He had prime Messi and Neymar. We have Havertz and Mount. As if Enrique would know what to do with them after he found out that they cant play tiki taka. 

Spains performances under him were very very dull with technically far more gifted players than we have atm.

Also, this guy hasnt trained a club for 6 years now.

This guy had 1 good year as a coach in his entire career, having players like Messi, Neymar, Iniesta, Xavi and Suarez in his team. He never showed that he can make it with younger, rougher players. 

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If u tell me Pep is available, sure, go for it. But appointing Enrique for Potter, which would probably break Chelseas FFP effort, is like replacing your underperforming gf with Theresa May. 

[lucio 5,418]

  On 07/02/2023 at 13:59, Gundalf said:

This is like Germanys WC win the year before. They won despite Enrique, not bc of him. He had prime Messi and Neymar. We have Havertz and Mount. As if Enrique would know what to do with them after he found out that they cant play tiki taka. 

Spains performances under him were very very dull with technically far more gifted players than we have atm.

Also, this guy hasnt trained a club for 6 years now.

This guy had 1 good year as a coach in his entire career, having players like Messi, Neymar, Iniesta, Xavi and Suarez in his team. He never showed that he can make it with younger, rougher players. 

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He won back to back Spanish leagues so clearly your assessment is wrong. You can point to any manager who achieves at the top level and say it's only because of players X Y and Z.