Graham Potter Thread

[Vesper 30,224]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Not so sure about that, this is the bloke that hired the sack of shit with the urine drinking wife.

bottoms up!

[cosmicway 1,333]

Sack rumours.

[Vesper 30,224]

Just now, cosmicway said:

Sack rumours.

From where?

[cfccrost 23]

BREAKING NEWS: Graham potter has been given 2 games by Chelsea board to protect his job. 

 

Is this true 💪

[Hashishi 148]

14 minutes ago, cfccrost said:

BREAKING NEWS: Graham potter has been given 2 games by Chelsea board to protect his job. 

 

Is this true 💪

Potter out. Thomas Frank in.

[Milan 17,959]

While I don't believe one single bit GP will be let go, what names are there to possibly hire? Poch is still, still without a job, wonder why...

[Vegetable 830]

This is perfectly the reason we should have clinged to Tuchel for dear life. And everybody said that.

And fun thing is fans of opposite teams are all in for Potter just as we were all in for Ole, because that meant utd will not be a threat for us, so that's telling.

Edited January 2, 2023 by Vegetable

[Hashishi 148]

I'm going to say it again. Potter was hired because he is a yes man. He was hired because tuchel didn't agree with the board whereas potter will agree with anything like a loyal dog. He will keep giving his 'positive' boys gave everything interviews. He is not turning anything around and in 3 years, we will be wallowing in mediocrity because noone will want to touch us after 2 years out of CL. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

 

[Vesper 30,224]

2 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

'Emeka from Arochukwu'

roflmaooooooooooo

 

[Fernando 6,585]

I'm fine with him getting a free pass. 

I remember arsenal with arteta was very bad. But the club back him and now doing well. 

I'm sure the owners are aware of this and because of that they will give this season a pass and next season about the same. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

The thing is that even when Arsenal wasn't quite competitive under Arteta, I knew what he was trying to do. I also knew that if successful, that style (very much Pep's) is really effective in long championships (not so much in cups).

I honestly don't see the goal line just yet. Watched Brighton and they never caught my attention; yes, organized and intense team, like I've seen many others. At this point, I can only hope that the leadership detected something in his work and is betting on it.

Not his fault Auba is his only striker option tho. What a joke of a signing.... one of the most predictable flops.

[Hashishi 148]

30 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

The thing is that even when Arsenal wasn't quite competitive under Arteta, I knew what he was trying to do. I also knew that if successful, that style (very much Pep's) is really effective in long championships (not so much in cups).

I honestly don't see the goal line just yet. Watched Brighton and they never caught my attention; yes, organized and intense team, like I've seen many others. At this point, I can only hope that the leadership detected something in his work and is betting on it.

Not his fault Auba is his only striker option tho. What a joke of a signing.... one of the most predictable flops.

Never caught my eye either. Individual players like Cucurella and Trossard caught my eye but definitely not because of their style of play. For an ownership that is data driven, i dont know who looks at these stats and thinks this is the best manager availible. We are going to be looking for a new manager next october once the ownership sees results not picking up. 

Tuchel inherited a bad squad from Lamps but still managed to turn it around. He is at fault for us signing Sterling and Auba but to be fair to him, we didnt have a transfer department for him to lean on. That is the only thing the board has improved.

Edited January 3, 2023 by Hashishi

[Vegetable 830]

The only thing Potter has in common with Arteta is his team struggling, yet people are using Arsenal to excuse Potter appointment. Completely different circumstances and completely different man. 

[Jype 6,398]

3 hours ago, robsblubot said:

The thing is that even when Arsenal wasn't quite competitive under Arteta, I knew what he was trying to do. I also knew that if successful, that style (very much Pep's) is really effective in long championships (not so much in cups).

I honestly don't see the goal line just yet. Watched Brighton and they never caught my attention; yes, organized and intense team, like I've seen many others. At this point, I can only hope that the leadership detected something in his work and is betting on it.

Not his fault Auba is his only striker option tho. What a joke of a signing.... one of the most predictable flops.

Potter's Brighton were a really well coached team though.

Especially in the 2020/21 season when they finished 16th their underlying metrics were actually quite good. For example:

• xG - 10th (not great but still better than the 15th in actual goals scored)
• xGA - 3rd (gave away very few good scoring chances to the opposition)
• xPTS - 5th
• Passes completed within 20 yards of opposition goal - 5th
• Opposition passes allowed within 20 yards of own goal - 6th

For a team to play like that and then finish 16th in the league was an absolute travesty. In the 2021/22 season they placed roughly the same in all the above mentioned stats across the EPL and finished 9th so things were clearly starting to click a little bit better on the actual score sheets as well.

I'm pretty sure last season Brighton's record against the top-6 clubs (3W, 4D, 5L) was also the best out of anyone not in the top-6 so for a midtable club they were quite decent against the big teams. And the results weren't flukes either, they played some really good football in a lot of those games.

[Superblue 6,372]

6 hours ago, robsblubot said:

The thing is that even when Arsenal wasn't quite competitive under Arteta, I knew what he was trying to do. I also knew that if successful, that style (very much Pep's) is really effective in long championships (not so much in cups).

I honestly don't see the goal line just yet. Watched Brighton and they never caught my attention; yes, organized and intense team, like I've seen many others. At this point, I can only hope that the leadership detected something in his work and is betting on it.

Not his fault Auba is his only striker option tho. What a joke of a signing.... one of the most predictable flops.

I think there's a bit of recency bias with Arteta now. Besides that FA Cup win early on, for about 18 months they played some real poor stuff. They didn't create a lot, looked vulnerable at the back despite playing in a more defensive way, would be regularly dominated possession wise. Given Arsenal in recent times have always been able to fall back on their style of play being easy on the eye under Wenger, I can remember a lot of people complaining about what Arteta was doing. There were times he genuinely looked clueless early on.

I think the least Potter does deserve is the opportunity to fix some of the issues in this squad and what does give me some confidence that it can be turned around is that seemingly his priority is in central midfield which should have been a priority position for the last couple of years.

[Mhsc 1,098]

4 minutes ago, Superblue said:

I think there's a bit of recency bias with Arteta now. Besides that FA Cup win early on, for about 18 months they played some real poor stuff. They didn't create a lot, looked vulnerable at the back despite playing in a more defensive way, would be regularly dominated possession wise. Given Arsenal in recent times have always been able to fall back on their style of play being easy on the eye under Wenger, I can remember a lot of people complaining about what Arteta was doing. There were times he genuinely looked clueless early on.

I think the least Potter does deserve is the opportunity to fix some of the issues in this squad and what does give me some confidence that it can be turned around is that seemingly his priority is in central midfield which should have been a priority position for the last couple of years.

100%. People have totally forgotten that people thought Arteta was a joke for ages, now looks like one of the most promising manager's in the league again. People even turned on Pep and Klopp in their early days in the PL. Football fans and media are very short sighted, as football is a lot about instant gratification of the current or next game. However, we see time and again that the best long term successful manager's have difficult starts and eventually come good. A lot of instantly good managers are good for 1-2 years before losing their job, not just at our club but at many others.

Edited January 3, 2023 by Mhsc

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Mhsc said:

100%. People have totally forgotten that people thought Arteta was a joke for ages, now looks like one of the most promising manager's in the league again. People even turned on Pep and Klopp in their early days in the PL. Football fans and media are very short sighted, as football is a lot about instant gratification of the current or next game. However, we see time and again that the best long term successful manager's have difficult starts and eventually come good. A lot of instantly good managers are good for 1-2 years before losing their job, not just at our club but at many others.

I'm not comparing Potter in any way, but it's well documented that Fergie was a game or two away from the sack at United and it took him 3 or 4 years to win a trophy and 5 or 6 years to win the league. This being one of the most iconic managers in history, certainly on these shores.

The biggest problem is Chelsea fans are used to immediate now, and it can't be helped. I started supporting Chelsea in the early 90's when we were crap, but it can be hard to revert back to a calmer, more patient mindset when we've enjoyed 20 years of unparalleled success in the most chaotic manner.

Whilst the new ownership clearly have Chelsea as an investment, I don't for one minute see them viewing us as a cash cow. With what they have invested, it is vital that they build on the club's stature in football and grow it further. In order to do that, we still must be one of the biggest clubs competing for trophies. I am pleased with some of the steps they have made with regards to some of the non football appointments, they do look like they're identifying weaknesses in the chain at the club and trying to bring people in that will benefit the long term future of this club. It is likely to be a slower process than the boom and bust nature of Roman's reign, but when it isn't just simply a hobby, decisions being made become more critical and analysed in more detail, and hopefully it means we're putting in place things to ensure a lot of those decisions in the future are made better than a number of bad decisions made in Roman's reign.

[lucio 5,418]

18 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Seems a few of you are going to have to get used to the new ways round here, no more hire and fire at will, I for one am happy with that, we will lose some fans to man city and others for the next few years for sure, the abramovich fans I call them.

We will all have to get used to the new ways of not winning anything then, if this amateur is in charge long term 

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

1 hour ago, Mhsc said:

100%. People have totally forgotten that people thought Arteta was a joke for ages, now looks like one of the most promising manager's in the league again. People even turned on Pep and Klopp in their early days in the PL. Football fans and media are very short sighted, as football is a lot about instant gratification of the current or next game. However, we see time and again that the best long term successful manager's have difficult starts and eventually come good. 

When Lamps was here, Ole at United and Arteta in Arsenal I remember saying he is not in category with those two. With him you could see there is something long term. With Ole and Lamps no chance. It was clear waste of time. I will give more time to Potter but he is not far away from being in that category for me. 

 

Regarding Pep and Klopp have they been successful really? Klopp is in his 8th season with Liverpool and have one PL (same as Leicester in this period and us and maybe Arsenal soon). One CL also from major silverware. He definitely improved them a lot but one PL and one CL doesn't screem big success to me. 

Guardiola also... Mancini and Pellegrini both won PL before him with weaker side. He came, spend over a billion and never got CL. They are always number one favourite to win title. So 4 out of 7 (assuming Ars takes it this season) is not so impressive. In CL total failure every time and this is their biggest goal and main reason why he is there. Getting knocked out by teams like Monaco, Lyon. And Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea who all fought for top4 at the time they eliminated City in CL. And total collapse against Real last season as well. Don't forget Bayern won CL before him and after him. Not with him. If City replaced him 2,3 years ago maybe they would have it by now. This season for example according to bookmakers they are clear favourites. On one euro you get 2.80 for City win. First after them is with 8.00. So him not winning both CL and PL this season is huge failure worth sacking. 

United didn't really have competition in 90s. One team at best. In major European competition he participated 25 times with United and won it twice. Thanks to Terry slip and 2 late goals against Bayern in 99.

So my conclusion is that no manager is perfect or even close to it. They all fail more than succeed. Carlo is also among the best and we wondered why we sacked him after finishing 1st and 2nd in PL but he didn't come close to CL in those 2 seasons. Very soon after that we won it so it was worth it. Nothing suggests long term manager is better choice. 

Edited January 3, 2023 by NikkiCFC