Chelsea 2 - 2 Tottenham

[OhForAGreavsie 6,091]

On 15/08/2022 at 06:17, Fulham Broadway said:

Mike -'the cunt'- Dean and Anthony 'easily bribed' Taylor, even with the hindsight of VAR, let Romero get away with violent conduct  on Cucurella with their own obvious agenda to let Sp*rs equalise.

Robert Huth got a 3 match retrospective ban for pulling Fellainis hair -that was before VAR. Let's see what happens -though probably fuck all

I've got to get out of this thread. My blood pressure can't take this. Every post I read makes me want to open a catering size can of baked beans with a hammer. Only way to avoid giving that foul is if you are determined to cheat. No possible other way.

Edited August 16, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Couple of things. The Havertz foul before the Spurs goal took place 40+ seconds before the actual goal and even if Romero was sent off for violent conduct, the game would restart with a Spurs corner and they'd just have one man less in the box. The Richarlison offside could have been given but that's more of a VAR call and not Taylor alone. Tuchel has to look within at some point this week whenever he is calmer.

The problem is the complete lack of consistency with how the rules are used. Last season we had a goal disallowed against Southampton for a 'foul' by Azpilicueta (which itself seemed soft) and this was longer than the 40 odd seconds this one was. Similarly there's arguments over phases of play but again referring back to the Southampton goal, the ball pinged in and out of the box a couple of times before we scored. Yes we won the ball back in the Spurs goal but the ball hasn't cleared our box so these arguments over phases of play and the defensive team being able to reset are again dubious.

I'm actually more angry to be honest though with the offside call. It's clear as day that Mendy is looking around Richarlison and the ball ends up going the other side of him. Richarlison even moves towards the ball too. I guarantee you there will be a similar incident at some stage and the goal won't stand.

And then moving on to the second goal, again the rules are such a grey area. You can't reverse decisions like corners once play has restarted. But play hasn't restarted when they look at the Romero incident so as far as I'm aware if they had made the decision that they should have, it would have resulted in a free kick to Chelsea not a corner to Spurs. 

The decision to defend the officials and not charge Romero post match quite literally sums up the state of the game. The argument that it isn't in the rule book is a complete cop out when they set a precedent previously for banning Robert Huth for pulling Fellaini's hair. There's a reason most women go for the hair when they get into a scrap - it's because they know just how much it bloody hurts! When it's done as aggressively as that, it's no different to an elbow or headbutt in my opinion.

Anthony Taylor is useless and no matter what people want to think, the sheer volume of inept decisions he's made against us over the last few years which have directly contributed to us not winning games justifies our position with him. But Sunday's game also highlighted wider problems with the referees in this country.

They're far too protected and insulated. I get they can make mistakes like anybody can but there's no accountability which is what frustrates everyone. Too many rules are far too open to interpretation which in my opinion also doesn't help matters and just adds to the inconsistency of decisions, only compounded when you feel your club has had decisions go against them across both sides of the fence. Because of the levels of protection, the referee contingent are essentially there own little fraternity nowadays. This becomes an issue for VAR I feel as referees seem too afraid to call each other up on mistakes. Whether we like it or not, the future of the game in terms of refereeing is through VAR and in my opinion for it to work at it's most effective and efficient manner, the VAR officials should be trained and brought through independent from the match going referees. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Superblue_1986

[Johnnyeye 7,517]

16 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

The Premier League on behalf of Chelsea Football Club are launching an independent refereeing panel due to what happened yesterday and the string of events of Taylor officiating Chelsea matches. 

 

Watch nothing come to this. 

it won’t, the FA is full of spineless cowards with an agenda. Fuck them

[Fulham Broadway 17,362]

3 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

They're far too protected and insulated.

This is important - it means they can act as agents for the governing bodies to create 'controversy', in order to make the game 'more exciting'  (as with F1 last season) and its all about creating revenue. TV revenue. They need to be accountable to US. We create the game. So that's why we must speak out, and complain whenever possible. 

As far as I can see Taylor and Dean were culpable of causing the red cards, the yellows just through complete ineptitude or cheating. Pure provocation. Its a dangerous road to go down as we've seen with bent refs in South America, Italy - deaths and violent disorder can ensue.

[Superblue 6,372]

4 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

This is important - it means they can act as agents for the governing bodies to create 'controversy', in order to make the game 'more exciting'  (as with F1 last season) and its all about creating revenue. TV revenue. They need to be accountable to US. We create the game. So that's why we must speak out, and complain whenever possible. 

As far as I can see Taylor and Dean were culpable of causing the red cards, the yellows just through complete ineptitude or cheating. Pure provocation. Its a dangerous road to go down as we've seen with bent refs in South America, Italy - deaths and violent disorder can ensue.

It's pretty disgraceful that when this came out, it barely made a ripple. If what Mark Halsey has said is true, then it should be thoroughly investigated and the PGMOL need to be held accountable.

[Special Juan 28,188]

Mike Dean punished for the VAR decision on Cucurella.

[Vesper 30,291]

brilliant:

 

[Vesper 30,291]

12 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Mike Dean punished for the VAR decision on Cucurella.

Mike Dean punished by Premier League amid Anthony Taylor and VAR Chelsea vs Tottenham criticism

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/mike-dean-punished-by-premier-league-amid-anthony-taylor-and-var-Chelsea-vs-tottenham-criticism/ar-AA10J12z

[Vesper 30,291]

22 hours ago, Vesper said:

Mike Dean punished by Premier League amid Anthony Taylor and VAR Chelsea vs Tottenham criticism

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/mike-dean-punished-by-premier-league-amid-anthony-taylor-and-var-Chelsea-vs-tottenham-criticism/ar-AA10J12z

both those uber corrupt cheating cunts need to be sacked and perma banned from ALL football and a criminal investigation needs to be opened

they are match fixing multiyear criminals (ZERO hyperbole)

FUCK PGMOL

from above

Edited August 17, 2022 by Vesper

[Superblue 6,372]

3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Mike Dean punished by Premier League amid Anthony Taylor and VAR Chelsea vs Tottenham criticism

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/mike-dean-punished-by-premier-league-amid-anthony-taylor-and-var-Chelsea-vs-tottenham-criticism/ar-AA10J12z

So some other teams will now benefit for a week or two without his ineptitude, what a result then for Chelsea.

Doesn't give us the two points back, but hopefully goes some way to the FA admitting the game was a monumental cluster fuck from the officials and might mean they're a little more lenient on Tuchel. Probably wishful thinking but they should do something to placate our club.

[Vesper 30,291]

3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

So some other teams will now benefit for a week or two without his ineptitude, what a result then for Chelsea.

Doesn't give us the two points back, but hopefully goes some way to the FA admitting the game was a monumental cluster fuck from the officials and might mean they're a little more lenient on Tuchel. Probably wishful thinking but they should do something to placate our club.

PGMOL would qualify in the US for prosecution under RICO statutes

The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) of 1970 seeks to strengthen the legal tools in evidence gathering by establishing new penal prohibitions and providing enhanced sanctions and new remedies for dealing with the unlawful activities of those engaged in organized crime.

 

[Vesper 30,291]

19 hours ago, xPetrCechx said:

where you saw it?

Premier League introduces new independent panel to review key refereeing decisions... with Anthony Taylor's performance in Chelsea's draw against Tottenham which left Thomas Tuchel FUMING to be looked at this week

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11113589/Premier-League-introduce-independent-panel-review-key-refereeing-decisions.html

[Johnnyeye 7,517]

25 minutes ago, Vesper said:

brilliant:

 

lmao at James with the dont shoot sign to Sterling, Cucurella getting his hair pulled, Tuchel putting glue in his hand 🤣

Edited August 16, 2022 by Johnnyeye

[OhForAGreavsie 6,091]

3 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Mike Dean punished for the VAR decision on Cucurella.

But: -

• Has his pay been stopped? Otherwise what kind of punishment is it to be given a week off?
• Pay or no pay this is just a sop to quieten the masses. What difference does his suspension make to anybody? What are they doing to fix the problem?
• There need to be two VAR officials officiating independently and without the ability to communicate with each other. If their assessment of an event is unanimous that decision is passed to the referee. If they are split, the ref is called to the screen to make the decision. Ideally the referee would not know which officials are on VAR duty and neither VAR official will know who the other is. That at least makes cheating more difficult.

Edited August 16, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Fulham Broadway 17,362]

29 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

But: -

• Has his pay been stopped? Otherwise what kind of punishment is it to be given a week off?
• Pay or no pay this is just a sop to quieten the masses. What difference does his suspension make to anybody? What are they doing to fix the problem?
• There need to be two VAR officials officiating independently and without the ability to communicate with each other. If their assessment of an event is unanimous that decision is passed to the referee. If they are split, the ref is called to the screen to make the decision. Ideally the referee would not know which officials are on VAR duty and neither VAR official will know who the other is. That at least makes cheating more difficult.

Reminds me of the government when they've been caught lying red handed.  Nothing will change.

They'll probably start using the same terminology -''lessons have been learned'', ''time to put this behind now and focus on the matter in hand'' 

The serious side, apart from the match fixing is the potential for serious disorder. This would result in the reversal of standing areas and all the leaps forward since the dark days.

[cosmicway 1,333]

8 hours ago, Strike said:

Couple of things. The Havertz foul before the Spurs goal took place 40+ seconds before the actual goal and even if Romero was sent off for violent conduct, the game would restart with a Spurs corner and they'd just have one man less in the box. The Richarlison offside could have been given but that's more of a VAR call and not Taylor alone. Tuchel has to look within at some point this week whenever he is calmer.

 

- About Havertz, we have seen numerous VAR calls with 40+ seconds elapsed time.
- The hair pulling is a foul and Taylor let it go.

Also  If Romero is sent off or sees a yellow as a result of a VAR call then it's a foul.
Why else would he be sent off / cautioned and when a VAR call takes place the game resumes from the point of the VAR call incident.

[xPetrCechx 13,578]

After that positive Oliver Skipp news, unfortunately here's some negative injury news. Understand Cristian Romero is set to be out for a few weeks with a muscle injury. More details below. https://t.co/IGabnrh4i9

 

😘

[Fulham Broadway 17,362]

Ban Anthony Taylor From Officiating Chelsea Matches

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[Superblue 6,372]

On 16/08/2022 at 18:04, OhForAGreavsie said:

But: -

• Has his pay been stopped? Otherwise what kind of punishment is it to be given a week off?
• Pay or no pay this is just a sop to quieten the masses. What difference does his suspension make to anybody? What are they doing to fix the problem?
• There need to be two VAR officials officiating independently and without the ability to communicate with each other. If their assessment of an event is unanimous that decision is passed to the referee. If they are split, the ref is called to the screen to make the decision. Ideally the referee would not know which officials are on VAR duty and neither VAR official will know who the other is. That at least makes cheating more difficult.

Like this idea.

As mentioned previously the referee 'community' has been so protected and insulated for too long I believe they are extremely reluctant to call out on each others decisions.

For me, VAR training and refereeing away from the pitch is significantly different from an on pitch official. These should be completely independent as a 'group' from the referees and new VAR officials should be trained as such (i.e. you do one or the other, no capability to be both).

[OhForAGreavsie 6,091]

2 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

For me, VAR training and refereeing away from the pitch is significantly different from an on pitch official. These should be completely independent as a 'group' from the referees and new VAR officials should be trained as such (i.e. you do one or the other, no capability to be both).

Excellent idea. Throughout football we want people who are specialists at what they do. In addition, if they never officiate in stadium then there is much less chance of them forming negative feelings towards any club, even subconsciously, because of historical incidents.