Chelsea 2 - 2 Tottenham

[Vesper 30,291]

24 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

There are obviously different interpreters as it was not called, but it was a call.

on the corner it is MADNESS that Taylor did not call a foul on Romero and give him a yellow, then VAR could look at it for a possible red

because there was no foul called and no goal scored, ALL VAR, because of the insanely stupid rule, could look at was for a straight red, they could not call a foul

LOOK again at the view Taylor HAD, it was right in front of the cunt

utter criminality that he did not at least call a foul and give a yellow

even if no yellow or red, there NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN the corner right after, where they scored

it is as clear a stolen 3 points as you will ever see, as it happened at the death, and it was crazy blatant, and they ONLY scored because of the no call

there is literally no way to spin it otherwise, the game would have ended as soon as we kicked the ball into their half of the pitch, or shortly thereafter

 

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[YorkshireBlue 3,298]

10 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

I thought it was the total opposite. Doesn't VAR get involved and informs the ref of something he ought to look at (reason the ref waited before the second corner was taken and was clearly have a conversation with VAR)?

I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

While this is true its a no. VAR is used for goal decisions and yellow cards that might or should be red.

[MoroccanBlue 5,384]

1 minute ago, Kong said:

They just explained it after the game. Because the ref didn't see it or give it VAR cannot get involved.

So then Dean just set a horrific precedent moving forward. Pulling someone by the hair isn't violent conduct and not a foul. 

 

[Superblue 6,372]

Gut wrenching to drop points in that way at the end but once everything has calmed down, for me there was a lot to like about today's performance.

Very aggressive in the first half and although playing with a back 3, James regularly pushed into midfield in that first half to pin Spurs in and dominate them. There was a lot more urgency and quickness in our game too. Understandable we couldn't keep that level of intensity up given how hot it was and still early in the season, but still dominant in the second half and ironically had better chances that half too.

After pre season and then the Everton game we looked still very undercooked compared to how Spurs had looked in their own pre season and first game of the season but raised the levels today and we've arguably not seen that level of intensity since the Madrid game. 

Still wasteful today and we have to start finding a clinical edge. Some of these chances are very good and we're not even hitting the target. Havertz worked his socks off today and you can't fault his effort but he has to score his chance. It is the difference between the win today irrespective of poor refereeing decisions.

But this is a Spurs team who have spent multi millions to improve their bench and suddenly been cast into potential title challengers and a level above us for this season. They've been played off the park and know that they've got out the game with an extremely lucky point. I still believe we're the best of the rest behind City and Liverpool and if we could find a consistent goal scorer or two we'd have a chance of significantly closing that gap.

[YorkshireBlue 3,298]

10 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

So then Dean just set a horrific precedent moving forward. Pulling someone by the hair isn't violent conduct and not a foul. 

 

It's defo a foul but this is the problem with refs. They need to be held accountable or stleast give an interview after the game. Or change VAR rules.

[LAM09 7,069]

Just now, Kong said:

While this is true its a no. VAR is used for goal decisions and yellow cards that might or should be red.

Aren't straight red offences under the same bracket?

I'm sure there has to have been a decision where the ref saw nothing which resulted in a straight red. Either that or the EPL has changed up the ruleset even more.

[YorkshireBlue 3,298]

12 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Aren't straight red offences under the same bracket?

I'm sure there has to have been a decision where the ref saw nothing which resulted in a straight red. Either that or the EPL has changed up the ruleset even more.

Stright red yes IF the ref gives a yellow 

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[MoroccanBlue 5,384]

Friendly reminder why this should be Jorginho's last season. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

Both Spurs goals were illegal.
The hair pulling of course and it is a card (yellow if one shows leniency). On live I did n't see it properly - momentarily I thought Taylor was looking for a pen against us. But I saw the twitter link.

[milka 3,395]

I'm tired of this guy every season 

[LAM09 7,069]

6 minutes ago, Kong said:

Stright red yes IF the ref gives a yellow 

That's incorrect - Video Assistant Referees Red Card Decisions Explained | VAR | Premier League

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The VAR will also check for possible red-card incidents for which the on-field referee has awarded a yellow card or no card at all.

 

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[MoroccanBlue 5,384]

Grab someone by the neck = Red Card. 

Grab someone by the hair and drag them to the ground = No foul. 

[Nero 1,877]

 

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

Do we have an Anthony Taylor thread? We should just put all these and make an archive, we will have a solid case.

1 minute ago, milka said:

I'm tired of this guy every season 

 

[Superblue 6,372]

3 minutes ago, Kong said:

They just explained it after the game. Because the ref didn't see it or give it VAR cannot get involved.

Which highlights a failure in the set up right there.

If a goal can be called back due to a foul in open play, or a penalty can be given or overturned, why are set pieces like corners and free kicks not treated in the same way.

You have a situation now where the referee and the linesmen and 4th, 5th, 10th officials and VAR all speak to each other throughout the game. As an example, the linesman gets a corner decision wrong as to who the ball come off last. This takes literally 10 seconds on a replay to correct this decision, both ways from an attacking or defending perspective. By the time the ball has been handed over to the corner taker or the keeper, the decision can be reversed. It's hardly going to eat up much time.

I understand your point on the Havertz foul for the first goal. As infuriating as it is because it's such an obvious foul, there is significant time between that and the goal. (although I struggle to understand how Richarlison on this one isn't obstructing the view from an offside position but isn't my point being argued) But on the Romero foul it is so blatant it's a puzzle as to why a decision can't be made on this before the next corner has been taken.

Unfortunately the standard of refereeing has become so poor it has to be a consideration that it might just come to a stage whereby they are simply the man on the pitch to relay all decisions made by a VAR referee or system.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Grab someone by the neck = Red Card. 

Grab someone by the hair and drag them to the ground = No foul. 

Unless it is manure,  then also no red card for a choke grip on the neck 

[Vesper 30,291]

15 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Aren't straight red offences under the same bracket?

I'm sure there has to have been a decision where the ref saw nothing which resulted in a straight red. Either that or the EPL has changed up the ruleset even more.

VAR, in this case (unless they gave a straight red) doesn't matter, due to the rules

it was TAYLOR not (at the bare minimum) not even calling a foul

obviously if Taylor had given a yellow the he also would have called it a foul as well

the fact that Cucu was violently pulled down by the hair, in the box, during the corner play and Taylor DID NOT EVEN CALLIN A FUCKING FOUL is sheer insanity, its utter, open, raw corruption that literally, SINGULARLY cost us all 3 points, a robberly that may, MAY cost us a CL spot down the road, thus £50-75m or so loss of revenue and also would give us a shit tonne harder recruitment window or two as we would have NO CL to offer elite players

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Vesper

[cosmicway 1,333]

Forget the red.
Who cares ?
But the foul ???

[milka 3,395]

2 minutes ago, chelsea_4_eva said:

Do we have an Anthony Taylor thread? We should just put all these and make an archive, we will have a solid case.

 

We have more with Taylor

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