Vesper 30,270 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: Another rumor dies cannot blame him at all he is only 21yo he lives in one of the best smaller cities on the planet (San Sebastián) with just insane food, culture, etc, plus beaches and they just totally renovated their stadium to 40,000 and they have a great pipeline of young talent Edited July 1, 2021 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,069 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 5 hours ago, DDA said: I don't think Haaland was ever realistic to begin with... I hope I'm proved wrong but I just don't see it happening... never have. It's seemingly down to Roman going by most. If he puts up Dortmund's asking price, he'll be in Blue for the coming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, LAM09 said: It's seemingly down to Roman going by most. If he puts up Dortmund's asking price, he'll be in Blue for the coming season. Is that not generally the case? 😛 A reason why we were able to spend big last summer and got most of our signings in early was because we had the money from the sale of Hazard and even Morata. This time, we have no such money waiting to be spent. If we want to get Haaland, we might have to start getting money from selling the deadwood and then Roman might make up the difference in the amount. Otherwise, I doubt he's inclined to just throw 150 million in from his own pocket (different case, I think, if it's just 60-70 million) - and that's just the potential transfer fee. there's still the agent fees, wages etc to consider - when his aim was to make sure the club is self sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 As @Tomo and @Jas have alluded to, earlier in the season we were pretty free scoring under Lampard but leaking goals. At that point how many people were complaining about our defensive and defensive midfield options and wanting major surgery on them? I'll happily admit I didn't think Christensen had developed as expected and should be sold but under Tuchel he looks a completely different player. I'd argue Christensen, Rudiger, Azpilicueta and Thiago Silva are all bordering on world class under Tuchel. Jorginho looks a far better player too with protection behind him and similar with Kante being freed up in a role to hunt the ball. Tuchel has done wonders with the defensive side of the team in a short and busy period. With the summer to plan, along with pre season, why can't he find ways to get more out of this attack? I have full confidence that there's more to come from a number of players in our squad and that Tuchel has the capability of unlocking this. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,069 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jas said: Is that not generally the case? 😛 A reason why we were able to spend big last summer and got most of our signings in early was because we had the money from the sale of Hazard and even Morata. This time, we have no such money waiting to be spent. If we want to get Haaland, we might have to start getting money from selling the deadwood and then Roman might make up the difference in the amount. Otherwise, I doubt he's inclined to just throw 150 million in from his own pocket (different case, I think, if it's just 60-70 million) - and that's just the potential transfer fee. there's still the agent fees, wages etc to consider - when his aim was to make sure the club is self sustainable. Not necessarily; some players have their heart set on moving to particular clubs. I'm sure Dortmund would be more than happy if Haaland said no to us (providing we pay up) to join RM next summer for still a hefty profit. I agree for the most part. However, we won't exactly get any notable fees for outgoings unless Werner shockingly leaves. Edited July 1, 2021 by LAM09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, LAM09 said: Not necessarily; some players have their heart set on moving to particular clubs. I'm sure Dortmund would be more than happy if Haaland said no to us (providing we pay up) to join RM next summer for still a hefty profit. If you wanna talk about players having their heart set on moving to a particular club, then I don't think we're Haaland's #1 choice based on some reports out there. I doubt he would mind staying for another year and then have the option to choose whichever club he wants next summer. He and Raiola can also get more money that way. 2 minutes ago, LAM09 said: I agree for the most part. We won't exactly get any notable fees for outgoings unless Werner shockingly leaves, but the current size of our entire squad is an issue. Werner leaving is out of the question since he said he wants to stay and the club have no interest in selling him. And we're already trying to sell two other strikers this summer. Based on the unwanted players list, it seems like Abraham is the one that will fetch the most money and that is only at 40 million. Otherwise, you're looking at way less income than that. Also debatable whether clubs can afford to pay for our unwanted players. Another issue is that if we sign Haaland, it would likely mean we're gonna blow our entire transfer budget on one player when we arguably still also need a midfielder (since Gilmour is going on loan) and a defender. Tuchel, of course, is believed to want a signing for each area. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jas said: If you wanna talk about players having their heart set on moving to a particular club, then I don't think we're Haaland's #1 choice based on some reports out there. I doubt he would mind staying for another year and then have the option to choose whichever club he wants next summer. He and Raiola can also get more money that way. Werner leaving is out of the question since he said he wants to stay and the club have no interest in selling him. And we're already trying to sell two other strikers this summer. Based on the unwanted players list, it seems like Abraham is the one that will fetch the most money and that is only at 40 million. Otherwise, you're looking at way less income than that. Also debatable whether clubs can afford to pay for our unwanted players. Another issue is that if we sign Haaland, it would likely mean we're gonna blow our entire transfer budget on one player when we arguably still also need a midfielder (since Gilmour is going on loan) and a defender. Tuchel, of course, is believed to want a signing for each area. Tbf, Zouma should bring in £30m+, there will be plenty of PL teams that would take him, whilst I also believe he is one of the lower (if that is the right term) earners here. That will mean, if we sell Tammy and Zouma, around £95m (approx) income from sales, £100m if you include Moses. If someone like Ziyech, really is unsettled, you can maybe push that to £130m. The issue the club probably has is the top earning deadwood. Baka, Drinky, Batsh*t, Kepa, RLC and Barkley, all earn over £100k a week, whilst players like Zappa, Baba and Emerson probably all earn over £50k. Those players drain around £800k (approx) a week or £41.5m a year. The issue we have is where we were able to farm those sort of players out before and maybe even get a loan fee, now we need to either cover their wages in full and/or part of them. Either way, I think Håland at £150m is possible for us, if there is a will on both sides. However, if he is brought, then I would say we may be scrapping around for other players and may have to accept a Zappa and Barkley/Baka back into the squad to fill holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, King Kante said: Tbf, Zouma should bring in £30m+, there will be plenty of PL teams that would take him, whilst I also believe he is one of the lower (if that is the right term) earners here. That will mean, if we sell Tammy and Zouma, around £95m (approx) income from sales, £100m if you include Moses. If someone like Ziyech, really is unsettled, you can maybe push that to £130m. The issue the club probably has is the top earning deadwood. Baka, Drinky, Batsh*t, Kepa, RLC and Barkley, all earn over £100k a week, whilst players like Zappa, Baba and Emerson probably all earn over £50k. Those players drain around £800k (approx) a week or £41.5m a year. The issue we have is where we were able to farm those sort of players out before and maybe even get a loan fee, now we need to either cover their wages in full and/or part of them. Unless my memory has failed me, has there been anything about us wanting to sell Zouma? I know Tuchel wants a defender but all signs have been pointing to a RWB or right sided defender. Problem with those players is finding a buyer/taker. With Abraham for example, there seems to be only one club that can maybe afford him and that's Aston Villa. West Ham would like him as well, I believe, but they don't have the money. Until we know for sure there's concrete interest in our players and someone is willing to fork out the cash, it'll be hard for us to get any meaningful income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,887 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 20 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: What is behind this new contract extensions for Michy last summer, Bakayoko now? Just admit mistake and let them go even for free, are board still hoping they will come good on loans? Why would you think? Same for any player, all players with longer contracts have more resale value for the club. They go out on loan do well and their contracts expiring we miss out on a transfer fee. They do well, have time left, we can get money. This surely isn’t a shock as the club have been doing it for years…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,270 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) here come the Hitler jokes, smdh Chelsea in talks to sign Wayne Hennessey The free agent is being looked at to replace Willy Caballero https://siphillipstalkschelsea.substack.com/p/sources-Chelsea-in-talks-to-sign Edited July 1, 2021 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Vesper said: here come the Hitler jokes, smdh Chelsea in talks to sign Wayne Hennessey The free agent is being looked at to replace Willy Caballero https://siphillipstalkschelsea.substack.com/p/sources-Chelsea-in-talks-to-sign I know the source is unreliable but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,270 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jas said: I know the source is unreliable but... Simon Phillips is from The Athletic and has this board in his twitter profile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Vesper said: Simon Phillips is from The Athletic and has this board in his twitter profile "Simon Phillips is from The Athletic" Are you confusing him with Simon Johnson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,330 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 46 minutes ago, Vesper said: here come the Hitler jokes, smdh Chelsea in talks to sign Wayne Hennessey The free agent is being looked at to replace Willy Caballero https://siphillipstalkschelsea.substack.com/p/sources-Chelsea-in-talks-to-sign I did Nazi that coming 🙄 Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,270 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Jas said: "Simon Phillips is from The Athletic" Are you confusing him with Simon Johnson? no, Phillips used to (no longer does) write for The Athletic too for a brief spell (and the Sun (Scottish, English, Irish) for ages, bleech), and at the Athletic there is also Simon Hughes (a scouser) over there, they had 3 Simons at one time also he writes here, so strange you slag him off https://www.talkchelsea.net/author/simon-phillips/page/8/ https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaFcFanclubsingblues/posts/1657740797760106 fucking Facebook, lolol Edited July 1, 2021 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,985 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 If we don’t sign a striker, who is someone in midfield that could come in and add lots of goals since I see that mentioned as an alternative? There are hardly a bunch of Bruno Penandes’ laying around out there who can score 15 from midfield. And with Mount being a near certain starter it’s not like we have an opening there anyway. Just can’t imagine we’d let Giroud go and I also can’t believe TT would totally freeze out Tammy if he we weren’t dead certain that some striker is brought in. May not be Haaland, may not be Lukaku. But I think a striker will be bought. Unless of course everyone’s wrong and Kai is our permanent center forward which would be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, Vesper said: no, Phillips used to (no longer does) write for The Athletic too for a brief spell (and the Sun (Scottish, English, Irish) for ages, bleech), and at the Athletic there is also Simon Hughes (a scouser) over there, they had 3 Simons at one time also he writes here, so strange you slag him off https://www.talkchelsea.net/author/simon-phillips/page/8/ https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaFcFanclubsingblues/posts/1657740797760106 fucking Facebook, lolol When exactly did he write for The Athletic? That tweet screenshot feels like a person just quoting a paragraph from one of their articles. Plus, an unreliable source is an unreliable source and I’m not the only one here who has said such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pizy said: There are hardly a bunch of Bruno Penandes’ laying around out there who can score 15 from midfield. And with Mount being a near certain starter it’s not like we have an opening there anyway. Someone to maybe replace Jorginho or Kovacic? 3 minutes ago, Pizy said: Just can’t imagine we’d let Giroud go and I also can’t believe TT would totally freeze out Tammy if he we weren’t dead certain that some striker is brought in. May not be Haaland, may not be Lukaku. But I think a striker will be bought. Who do you think will be bought if it’s not Haaland or Lukaku? Tuchel and the club supposedly want prioritize quality over quantity and are supposedly willing to play the long game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,985 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jas said: Someone to maybe replace Jorginho or Kovacic? Who do you think will be bought if it’s not Haaland or Lukaku? Tuchel and the club supposedly want prioritize quality over quantity and are supposedly willing to play the long game. Struggling to think of anyone for either question. Unless we tried to convince United to part with Pogba I don’t know of any other top class midfielder who could walk in to our team in place of J5 or Kova and add 10-15 goals in the league. The striker conundrum is even more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashishi 148 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 We don't need an overhaul. We need to cut our wage list and wait for the right targets. We can promote academy players to cover, like we're doing with Broja. If we fail to get a RWB, Livramento is going to be our backup. The club is playing it smart and prioritising players who can fit in and who want to come here. Hakimi wanted to go to Paris and Haaland probably wants to use us as a stepping stone to Madrid. I think our priority, other than CF, is a playmaker as Hazard and Fabregas creativity has not been replaced and even if Hakim comes good, we need more players that can pick a pass. DDA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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