Superblue 6,372 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 59 minutes ago, Jas said: If Christensen is a liability in a back 4, then so is Rudiger. Both of them have done their best work in a back 3, first under Conte and then Tuchel. I agree. For me, both have flaws in a 4 man defence. My biggest concern at times with Christensen in a 4 is being bullied, whilst Rudiger is the other end of the spectrum where his aggressive nature can end up leaving him out of position or ball watching. A back 5 limits those weaknesses whilst accentuating their strengths. Rudiger on the side can play aggressive knowing he has both a wing back and a spare centre back either side of him. Christensen meanwhile can play the spare man where he can read the game and cover. It also plays to the strength's of Thiago Silva at his age now, and Azpilicueta and even James if Tuchel wants to use him in the back 3. In this system, Christensen and Rudiger are arguably world class. It would be foolish for Tuchel to tinker too much with this system. By all means work on more attack minded options if we're chasing a game which could switch us into a back 4 but given how well the current system has worked defensively, that must be the building block for everything else Tuchel wants to do. Jase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Strike said: Andreas is an ideal ascension plan for when Thiago Silva leaves in a year. I hope Tuchel convinces him to sign a new contract and stick around even though he would be behind Rudiger and TS at the start of next season. 'Succession' might be a better word. 🙂 Agreed that he would be behind Thiago & Rudi but given the need to manage Thiago's minutes, and Thiago's injury record last season, Andreas can reasonably expect a satisfying level of involvement. Someone pointed out above we could play 65 games next season. Potentially plenty of minutes to spread around. (Actually I think the theoretical maximum is more than 65 even if the League Cup semi-finals do not return to the two-legged format which is assumed in the 65 number.) Strike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 31 minutes ago, Jas said: Even The Athletic are reporting it now... And according to them, the club's offer for Hakimi doesn't yet include Emerson or Christensen. Basically what Di Marzio said yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: 'Succession' might be a better word. 🙂 Agreed that he would be behind Thiago & Rudi but given the need to manage Thiago's minutes, and Thiago's injury record last season, Andreas can reasonably expect a satisfying level of involvement. Someone pointed out above we could play 65 games next season. Potentially plenty of minutes to spread around. (Actually I think the theoretical maximum is more than 65 even if the League Cup semi-finals do not return to the two-legged format which is assumed in the 65 number.) I could be wrong but I think even if we bombed out of all the cups at the first hurdle we still have a minimum of 48 games. Realistically we're looking at 55-60 games in all likelihood. Also factor in international fixtures (including the AFCON mid season), the Euro's this summer and the World Cup next summer and it is an insane amount of football across our squad over the next 12 months. I think we have the most players at the Euros for any club in Europe and will likely be up there again for the World Cup. Tuchel clearly trusts Christensen, and I see this coming season a role reversal during it where Christensen is the one preferred for the 'big' games and Thiago Silva may end up playing more against the 'lesser' teams. He'll play a huge role this season regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrenshah 186 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 With Haaland and Hakimi we could be freaking amazing Against bigger teams ...........................Mendy ........Reece...Silva/AC...Rudiger Hakimi.....................................Chilwell ...........Kante.............Kova/Jorgi .......Havertz.........................Mount ..........................Haaland Against smaller teams using park the bus tactic ...........................Mendy ........Reece...Silva/AC...Rudiger Hakimi.....................................Chilwell ...........Kante.............Mount .......Havertz.........................Werner ..........................Haaland We may also need a backup for Kante, someone like Tchouameni So hoping Marina is able to close the 2 deals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fernando said: Okay so once Inter agrees on the value then we have to wait to see if Real Madrid will match that offer? No. Assuming that the clause makes the purchase mandatory, i.e. that the player has no right to turn down the transfer, we could negotiate directly with Real over a settlement for them to waive the buy-back. They of course would ask us to write off the remainder of Eden's transfer fee, we would offer a green Smartie, and the negotiation would proceed from there. Edited June 9, 2021 by OhForAGreavsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,385 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 hace 5 minutos, shrenshah dijo: With Haaland and Hakimi we could be freaking amazing Against bigger teams ...........................Mendy ........Reece...Silva/AC...Rudiger Hakimi.....................................Chilwell ...........Kante.............Kova/Jorgi .......Havertz.........................Mount ..........................Haaland Against smaller teams using park the bus tactic ...........................Mendy ........Reece...Silva/AC...Rudiger Hakimi.....................................Chilwell ...........Kante.............Mount .......Havertz.........................Werner ..........................Haaland We may also need a backup for Kante, someone like Tchouameni So hoping Marina is able to close the 2 deals Kovacic is technically Kante's backup. Tchouameni would be a backup to Jorginho as they are both the sitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: No. Assuming that the clause makes the purchase mandatory, i.e. that the player has no right to turn down the transfer, we could negotiate directly with Real over resettlement for them to waive the buy-back. They of course would ask us to write off the remainder of Eden's transfer fee, we would offer a green Smartie, and the negotiation would proceed from there. This isn't how the first refusal work. If Real match our bid for Hakimi, Inter have to accept Real's bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 55 minutes ago, Artandur said: Hakimi also played a lot on the left for Dortmund, would be nice to have 2nd option there that can actually run. I didn't know that. Assuming he is effective on the left then that would make getting him a lot more attractive. Not attractive enough to justify losing Andreas but more attractive all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blues Forever said: Gladbach at that time were mostly used the back three. really? your credibility is on thin ice m8 you should know better than to just make up shite with someone like me around AC played 53 games as a back 4 CB pairing in 20015/17 far more than any other position, and he was better as a pair than in a back 3 CB set-up AC was a DMF a few times, a RB once, injured in a few, and on the bench in the very beginning of 2015/16 3 times Gladbach played a back four 65 times far more than any other setup and far better as a record, including some great results in the CL Edited June 9, 2021 by Vesper Jase, Mufassir08 and Magic Lamps 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippy 342 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jas said: I know a fair number of fans want him to move on but I'm glad he stay on and try and to make it at Chelsea. Next season is really make or break for him though. Needs to become a lot more consistent and start delivering end product. If he can do that then he'll have a future at the club, if he can't step up then it will be time for him to move on in the summer of 22. Oh, and a fucking huge no to Christensen being used in any transfer deal! He came on leaps and bounds last season and barely put a foot wrong after the Liverpool game. I rate him and Rudi as second only to Liverpool's best two CB's and easily our best two since the heyday of Terry& Gallas and Terry & Carvalho. OhForAGreavsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: I could be wrong but I think even if we bombed out of all the cups at the first hurdle we still have a minimum of 48 games. Agreed. 17 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: Tuchel clearly trusts Christensen, and I see this coming season a role reversal during it where Christensen is the one preferred for the 'big' games and Thiago Silva may end up playing more against the 'lesser' teams. He'll play a huge role this season regardless. Interesting idea. This would probably also appeal to Thiago because it holds out the possibility of a further extension for him at the end of the coming season. A new contract which would then assume him playing back up to Andreas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 57 minutes ago, Jas said: Even The Athletic are reporting it now... And according to them, the club's offer for Hakimi doesn't yet include Emerson or Christensen. £56m is fair money for a world-class fullback/wingback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: I didn't know that. Assuming he is effective on the left then that would make getting him a lot more attractive. Not attractive enough to justify losing Andreas but more attractive all the same. Yeah in his first season at BVB he played more on the left than the right. I think the Christensen part is just baseless speculation by an italian journalist not being up to date with Chelsea OhForAGreavsie and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, Vesper said: £56m is fair money for a world-class fullback/wingback thinking multi-dimensionally, this also really puts the cosh on Real Madrid too, as IF they really want him, there goes a big chunk of their budget, thus partially blocking them for making a giant bid for Håland or Mbappe OhForAGreavsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, Blues Forever said: Basically what Di Marzio said yesterday. The Athletic is not known to report every single transfer rumor. If they are reporting it, then maybe there is some truth to it. I don't think they have reported anything on Haaland, have they after the Fjortoft and Matt Law stories? OhForAGreavsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,062 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, Vesper said: thinking multi-dimensionally, this also really puts the cosh on Real Madrid too, as IF they really want him, there goes a big chunk of their budget, thus partially blocking them for making a giant bid for Håland or Mbappe Still crazy to think they bought him back, just to sell him, considering their options. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, Jas said: The Athletic is not known to report every single transfer rumor. If they are reporting it, then maybe there is some truth to it. I don't think they have reported anything on Haaland, have they after the Fjortoft and Matt Law stories? Didn't Johnson also reported after Law and Fjortoft stories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Blues Forever said: Didn't Johnson also reported after Law and Fjortoft stories? The only thing I've seen from Simon Johnson this... Otherwise, nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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