Chelsea Transfers

[TheHulk 1,855]

 

[Superblue 6,370]

27 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

 

I can't see a situation where we have headed into January looking like top 4 is pretty much out of the picture and gone on to spend what we have with a backdrop of breaking FFP. I'm sure there would be contingencies in place at the club for missing out on the top 4 as it's unlikely to happen this season. 

Personally I think there will be a clear out in the summer which will give rise to being able to go again in the market if they choose to. Jorginho will almost certainly leave in the summer and I think Pulisic and Ziyech will both be sold too with a year left on their deals. That just there is £20-25m of FFP costs per annum cleared off the books, and based on the age profile and contract lengths we have been targeting, probably gives rise to 2-3 big signings that can be done to replace those costs.

I think depending on interest in the market, one of the keepers, Auba and Koulibaly will all be moved on too and then I do think it's up in the air with regards to Havertz and Gallagher, particularly as we can probably fetch decent fees for both.

[Pizy 18,368]

What’s the punishment for breaching FFP anyways? A small fine like City were slapped with? I doubt our owners (or really any multibillionaire owner) is sweating heavily and losing sleep over FFP any longer. 

[Hamilton 2,120]

16 minutes ago, Pizy said:

What’s the punishment for breaching FFP anyways? A small fine like City were slapped with? I doubt our owners (or really any multibillionaire owner) is sweating heavily and losing sleep over FFP any longer. 

The rules change when the name Chelsea Fc pops up in a sentence..

[Superblue 6,370]

25 minutes ago, Pizy said:

What’s the punishment for breaching FFP anyways? A small fine like City were slapped with? I doubt our owners (or really any multibillionaire owner) is sweating heavily and losing sleep over FFP any longer. 

It is all due to change again over the next year or two anyway and move towards a model where certain expenses (transfer fees, wages, agents fees I believe) have to be within a certain percentage of your turnover (believe it's due to start at like 80% and move down to eventually 70%).

To me this looks like an even bigger means of keeping the established clubs at the top table and will be even more restrictive for any clubs that have a bit of ambition. 

But I'm not sure what the transition is from current to the future one. Perhaps Chelsea are aware that the changes offer a window of opportunity, I'm not too sure. 

[Pizy 18,368]

I mean, whatever the worries about FFP there are it doesn’t appear to be stopping Boehly. Maybe the plan is a massive outlay early on, get all these young signings on super long deals, and clear out the aging players on huge wages. Then the spending can slow down as the new young signings settle.

[Vegetable 830]

51 minutes ago, Pizy said:

What’s the punishment for breaching FFP anyways? A small fine like City were slapped with? I doubt our owners (or really any multibillionaire owner) is sweating heavily and losing sleep over FFP any longer. 

It depends - City and PSG get the finger waved at them, Chelsea is getting relegated

[TheHulk 1,855]

 

[TheHulk 1,855]

 

[TheHulk 1,855]

 

[Hashishi 148]

Anyone feel like we'll get both and miss out on enzo?

[Costa19 858]

Just now, Hashishi said:

Anyone feel like we'll get both and miss out on enzo?

Caicedo + Enzo and we are set for a decade!

[Vesper 28,796]

3 hours ago, ulvhedin said:

Also though Guehi and Tomori are capable of having very good match now and then, they are not so great on regular basis. They would be heavily exposed in Chelsea.

Here are the only CBs I can say are atm world class in play (or near it)

Thiago Silva

plus   
   
Rúben Dias   
Josko Gvardiol
Marquinhos
Milan Skriniar  
Ronald Araújo
Matthijs de Ligt
Virgil van Dijk
David Alaba 
Presnel Kimpembe
José María Giménez   (when fully fit, which is hardly ever, lol)

potentially

Alessandro Bastoni

plus

William Saliba
Nico Schlotterbeck   
Evan Ndicka  
Cristian Romero
Jurrien Timber  
Benoît Badiashile    
Wesley Fofana    (massive IF, that being IF he ever fully recovers back to pre injury form)
Mohamed Simakan 
Piero Hincapié 
Gonçalo Inácio 
 

fallen off

  
Raphaël Varane 
Antonio Rüdiger  
Aymeric Laporte 
Kalidou Koulibaly  
Leonardo Bonucci

 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,297]

Mendy easiest to offload. 

[Jype 6,398]

3 hours ago, Superblue said:

I can't see a situation where we have headed into January looking like top 4 is pretty much out of the picture and gone on to spend what we have with a backdrop of breaking FFP. I'm sure there would be contingencies in place at the club for missing out on the top 4 as it's unlikely to happen this season. 

Personally I think there will be a clear out in the summer which will give rise to being able to go again in the market if they choose to. Jorginho will almost certainly leave in the summer and I think Pulisic and Ziyech will both be sold too with a year left on their deals. That just there is £20-25m of FFP costs per annum cleared off the books, and based on the age profile and contract lengths we have been targeting, probably gives rise to 2-3 big signings that can be done to replace those costs.

I think depending on interest in the market, one of the keepers, Auba and Koulibaly will all be moved on too and then I do think it's up in the air with regards to Havertz and Gallagher, particularly as we can probably fetch decent fees for both.

Releasing Jorginho and managing somehow to sell Pulisic and Ziyech for fees that at minimum match their remaining book values would free up much more than £20-25M a year in FFP costs.

• Jorginho: £10M in amortisation + £6M in salary = £16M a year
• Pulisic: £10M in amortisation + £8M in salary = £18M a year
• Ziyech: £7M in amortisation + £5M in salary = £12M a year

Successfully bin them all and we're looking at a minimum of £45M a year in FFP cost savings.

To do this, we'd need to get at least £25M combined fees for Pulisic and Ziyech to cover their remaining amortisation values and would also need to get their salaries off the wage bill for good so no wage compensations to their new clubs. Probably not going to be easy considering their recent form and clubs knowing we want to get rid of them but also doesn't seem impossible.

That right there is just about enough for three new signings at £50-60M each on six year deals with wages of £100-150K a week. It's funny how in the eyes of FFP calculations selling three players for a total £25M allows for spending £150-180M on their replacements without the FFP total costs changing one bit. That's something most rival fans moaning about the club's transfer activity don't even realize.

And like you said on top of that we have a few decent assets we could look into selling (for example Gallagher) and because there's no previous amortisation costs involved with club-trained players any fees gained from these kind of sales would go straight into the spending cap and would, at least in the short term, lessen the financial impact of having no CL football next season.

Don't think FFP will be a problem but of course all this relies on having some level of success in getting rid of the previous dud signings. If we fail to find new clubs for Auba, Ziyech, Pulisic etc. there is potential for some trouble there, at least as far as making any new signings in the summer goes. 

[Pizy 18,368]

I’m assuming Arse signing Trossard means it’s extremely unlikely we’ll be able to get Caicedo this month. Selling 2 of their best players midseason could massively disrupt things when they’re going well.

If that’s the case I think we must wait until the summer to address the midfield. Don’t panic buy some average guy like Alvarez.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

6 hours ago, TheHulk said:

 

So that means Colwill likely to be going out the door in the summer if we make this move happen? Granted he would still have to come here and get in the team but I think most are hopeful Colwill would be a part of the squad next season. These sort of deals where we go and buy 2 or 3 players under 23 of the same profile is going to block the pathway for some of our more promising academy kids.

4 hours ago, Pizy said:

What’s the punishment for breaching FFP anyways? A small fine like City were slapped with? I doubt our owners (or really any multibillionaire owner) is sweating heavily and losing sleep over FFP any longer. 

The irony is, for us its fine to criticise when other clubs breach it but now we could be in a situation where we do the exact same.

Its intriguing to see what happens with no CL football because I have no doubts we will be finishing in and around 7–10th place this season. Theres too much to do to catch the other teams and the manager has hardly made a good impression to show that we can catch these teams.  

Edited January 19, 2023 by OneMoSalah

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