King Kante 1,643 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, Pizy said: It would be utter insanity to even loan Broja until we sign another attacker, never mind sell him permanently. He’s the only actual striker in our squad, ffs! Are we complete idiots?! Imagine losing our two biggest prospects this summer again a year after having the same thing happen last year. This time both are on very long contracts too so we have all the leverage. So unless we’re being offered silly fees of like £50m we shouldn’t even be entertaining these offers. Gallagher is the biggest prospect by going on what he has achieved on loan. That said, I am high on Colwill and wanted to see a lot more of Mando, so losing both would be galling. Hopefully, if sold, both get a buyback put in for reasonable amounts. Both have long term contracts so we should be in a position of relative strength compared to Guehi and Livra. 11 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Well done to the lad if he does and, if so, well done to you for the spot. I'm one of those people whose views surprised you. I'm not a believer whether at CB or DM. I think Ethan was/is hard to evaluate as he had/has a rashness/carelessness that can make him appear more limited than he is. Personally, I have thought he would grow out of it, which made me think he skills of direct passing through the lines would come to the fore more. This is what I think is happening now with him, although he is further behind in his development than I thought he would be at this stage. Anyhow, let's see what happens with him. I personally just want him given a chance because it is better to have a academy player take the squad roles than buying a squad filler player. For me, if the option is a Sarr or Ampadu, I'd take an Ampadu all day, every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_4_eva 1,182 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Wouldnt Broja be behind Antonio in the pecking order? Isnt he only behind Kai here? As I see the rest are either RW or LW... Also I think Broja has 4 years left in his contract, so it would be stupid to rush to sell him or selling him without a buy back. Shame if he does end up leaving, I was looking forward to seeing him playing with this team in preseason. Edited July 18, 2022 by chelsea_4_eva Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulvhedin 526 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Artandur said: Fair enough, should have specified that i'm talking about this summer specifically, as the same appears to be the case for Colwill. Which is not fully true also, Gallagher, Ampadu and Sterling are fighting for the spot this preaseason, and are not forcing any moves. Don't know about Vale, Anjorin and Gilmour situation though. Edited July 18, 2022 by ulvhedin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,492 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Broja pushing for the move suggests a failure on our part in convincing he has a significant role this year - which was not really difficult when he is the only natural striker we have. Magic Lamps and Stats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ulvhedin said: Which is not fully true also, Gallagher, Ampadu and Sterling are fighting for the spot this preaseason, and are not forcing any moves. Don't know about Vale, Anjorin and Gilmour situation though. I wouldnt include Gallagher as he is 22 already and his prospects of getting games are clearly way higher than for the rest. Ampadu and Sterling i could give you, but it's not as if pl clubs are lining up for them either. Edited July 18, 2022 by Artandur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 As for incomings I now expect 1 x CB (guessing Kounde) and 1 x RWB. Think people are getting a bit too caught up with TT's comments about 3 defenders as he included Dave in that equation and Dave isn't a full blown CB. After that, I would probably leave things as they are. AM and CF market is weak and we don't need another expensive flop. CM also doesn't have much going on, unless SMS pops up at a realistic/cheap price (unlikely.) Maybe a GK2 to replace Kepa but I cannot see much more than that. Tbh, I think we need to start clearing out players so we don't have 10 of them sitting around doing nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_4_eva 1,182 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Totally forgot that its 5 subs in the pl for next season, so the chances of playing time will increase for some players. Broja, Colwill, Ampadu on the bench instead of Barkley, Sarr, Kenedy for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,928 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 We aren’t even credibly linked with any strikers or attackers at this time. All have either moved elsewhere (Lewa, Dembele, Raphinha, Jesus, Richarlison) or we’ve said no thanks to (CR7). Any that are left are prohibitively expensive like Leão. So let’s say Havertz has an awkward landing in our next preseason game on Wednesday, twists his ankle badly, and is then out for extended time. Then what? Werner up top? Sterling? There’s just no way we can enter then season without another attacking signing. Broja was in line to get LOTS of minutes for us but he apparently doesn’t have the heart to be patient. This is the issue we’re going to have with many of our youth players now. They see some of the lads we’ve sold recently killing it at smaller clubs and will sacrifice their dream of one day playing for Chelsea in order to get minutes right away. Seems that in order for you to break through to our first team as a youth player you have to absolutely crush it out on loan first. Reece, Mount, Gallagher, Chalobah. All had excellent seasons out on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,278 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 its pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sovieticus 743 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pizy said: Seems that in order for you to break through to our first team as a youth player you have to absolutely crush it out on loan first. Reece, Mount, Gallagher, Chalobah. All had excellent seasons out on loan. Well, if you want to fight for the title, you have to be both - best and consistent. If they feel like the position should be gifted to them, well that's on them. Alabama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Sources indicate the proposed move to West Ham has not been developed at the request of Chelsea, instead driven by Broja and his desire for regular first team starts. (@David_Ornstein) So can we now stop blaming the club for this Edited July 18, 2022 by Artandur bluesman2610 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Blues Forever said: If you want first team starts mate get your fucking head down and work for it. bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,076 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, King Kante said: If the buyback is reasonable it is essentially a loan. Not really. Par for the course is that the buy-back exceeds the original transfer fee. This means that, unlike a loan where West ham would be paying a fee to Chelsea, we'd actually be paying them to take Mando on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,928 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Artandur said: Sources indicate the proposed move to West Ham has not been developed at the request of Chelsea, instead driven by Broja and his desire for regular first team starts. (@David_Ornstein) So can we now stop blaming the club for this There has to come a point when the club puts its foot down, though. He just signed a 5 year deal a year ago. We have the power to sit him down and tell him that he’s staying and that we need him in the squad for a long, grueling season. We could play 60 games again like last season, have 5 subs, and have a midseason World Cup that can cause all sorts of chaos. He’ll be needed if we don’t sign anyone else. Fernando and Blue Armour 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pizy said: There has to come a point when the club puts its foot down, though. He just signed a 5 year deal a year ago. We have the power to sit him down and tell him that he’s staying and that we need him in the squad for a long, grueling season. We could play 60 games again like last season, have 5 subs, and have a midseason World Cup that can cause all sorts of chaos. He’ll be needed if we don’t sign anyone else. Yeah i can see that. In that case it comes down to if TT is willing to have to rely on a player that doesn't want to be here. Of course he signed a contract and it has to be expected of him to give 100% for that duration. Always hard to predict how sth like that turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_4_eva 1,182 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Seeing how things could turn fast like last season regarding injuries, we should prepare for it this season. He is our only pure ST we have in the squad, he WILL get minutes. Him being happy with those minutes is another thing. He has 4 years left on his contract, if West Ham want him then slap on a buy back clause, if they wont then no deal. If we can handle the Lukaku shtshow, we can handle this. Edited July 18, 2022 by chelsea_4_eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Another player who doesn't want to fight for their place. If Broja does end up leaving, we need another CF lined up. Edited July 18, 2022 by LAM09 bluesman2610 and Sovieticus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,492 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Pizy said: There has to come a point when the club puts its foot down, though. He just signed a 5 year deal a year ago. We have the power to sit him down and tell him that he’s staying and that we need him in the squad for a long, grueling season. We could play 60 games again like last season, have 5 subs, and have a midseason World Cup that can cause all sorts of chaos. He’ll be needed if we don’t sign anyone else. Yeah, it is the club's fault that they cannot convince a 2nd choice striker with a 5 year deal of game time. Then who is it that the club can convince to stay these days? I can't believe Broja move is progressing without a replacement in sight. Edited July 18, 2022 by Strike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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