Chelsea Transfers

[Pizy 18,902]

4 minutes ago, DDA said:

Think we are working on some seriously big signings guys.

De Ligt and Nkunku.

Wouldn't be surprised if we signed both.

Why would Juve sell him, though? Doesn’t he have more than 1 year left in his contract?

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Just now, Pizy said:

Why would Juve sell him, though? Doesn’t he have more than 1 year left in his contract?

De Ligt have 2 years left, Juve need to sell him if he doesn't extend.

[DDA 9,937]

10 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Why would Juve sell him, though? Doesn’t he have more than 1 year left in his contract?

Best time to sell him is now.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,814]

I am getting the vibe we will do another one year loan of a player that won’t work in our team for £97M on the last week of the window!

[Superblue 6,372]

I think people need to just be patient with the whole situation. Every transfer has different circumstances and complexities so it's ridiculous to point to one team making a signing and questioning why we haven't.

As I've tried to highlight I'd rather get the right signings than any signings. If this takes longer in the window then so be it. If it means "making do" in a couple of positions because those targets won't be available until next summer, then again so be it. We've seen with so many transfers over the years how much a panic buy can set us back.

The only true time we can assess our transfer activity this window is at the end of it. We can all speculate and argue about potential interest in players but it's silly to just write this summer off entirely until we know the makeup of the squad at the commencement of next season.

[laura90 556]

I have just read that last season we spend 28 mill on agent fees. Since we only signed  Donkeyaku if true, we spent about 140 mill on him plus wages which makes it  over 210 mill not 185 as I thought.  Literally entire Hazard money plus bonuses on donkey. 

Who decided 200 mill on 29 year old striker who failed miserably,  to the point being ridiculed, at United is money well spent? Who the hell, I can't grasp it still. 

And if that lunatic-optimist is still around I wouldn't be surprised if he expects we can regain top four status if we just get our loanies back. 

 

 

[Superblue 6,372]

17 minutes ago, laura90 said:

I have just read that last season we spend 28 mill on agent fees. Since we only signed  Donkeyaku if true, we spent about 140 mill on him plus wages which makes it  over 210 mill not 185 as I thought.  Literally entire Hazard money plus bonuses on donkey. 

Who decided 200 mill on 29 year old striker who failed miserably,  to the point being ridiculed, at United is money well spent? Who the hell, I can't grasp it still. 

And if that lunatic-optimist is still around I wouldn't be surprised if he expects we can regain top four status if we just get our loanies back. 

 

 

Agent's will be paid on contract renewals too, and the likelihood is that some deals will involve agents paid their 'cut' over instalments or the length of a contract in the same way players are paid signing on fees.

Those agent fees won't entirely be on Lukaku's transfer.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,814]

Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Aston Villa all had their transfers lined up and ready to finalize the first week of the window. I am not buying that these deals take an incredible amount of time and we just started speaking to clubs and players after the sale was complete. If so our people that handle transfers need to go. Our recruitment people, if there is such a plan had months to put together a plan. What were they doing all this time? 

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

Think we are working on some seriously big signings guys.

De Ligt and Nkunku.

Wouldn't be surprised if we signed both.

I would. We'd spend 80% of our alleged budget for both. 

Plus, Leading the Race FC doesn't know how to finalize deals. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

3 hours ago, Pizy said:

City win the title while finishing 20 points ahead of us and work like maniacs early in the window signing player after player even though they already had a fantastic squad. Haaland and Alvarez with Kalvin Phillips and Cucarella soon to follow. Tottenham are close to finishing up their 2nd and 3rd signings.

City have a higher FFP ceiling and more money in any case. They also have a manager who, probably more than any other, top players are eager to play for. On top of all that they have a reputation for a playing a style that potential recruits find appealing which is certainly not the case with us. Footballers simply find City a more attractive destination so, along with the money, it is far easier for them to land their targets. They aren't working any harder than we are. Quite the opposite probably.

Edited June 16, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Pizy 18,902]

4 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Aston Villa all had their transfers lined up and ready to finalize the first week of the window. I am not buying that these deals take an incredible amount of time and we just started speaking to clubs and players after the sale was complete. If so our people that handle transfers need to go. Our recruitment people, if there is such a plan had months to put together a plan. What were they doing all this time? 

It’s amateurish. Tuchel will have had lots of names and ideas in Marina’s/Cech/whoever handles these things’ hands for ages. 

Just like Conte had surely long since studied and identified the weak areas he needed to plug at Spuds and just like Gerard did at Villa. Tuchel will have told them we need “this, this, and this.”

Clubs that we’ll be competing with will have made 3-4 signings each before we make even 1.

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

Liverpool also now have their foot in to bringing Bellingham in next summer. 

Liverpool are completing this summer and next summer's transfers before we even complete one. 😂

[Mário César 1,252]

im feeling tired and sick 

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

Just now, Mário César said:

im feeling tired and sick 

Shall I forward you another leading the race on X player article to cheer you up? 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

11 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Liverpool also now have their foot in to bringing Bellingham in next summer. 

Liverpool are completing this summer and next summer's transfers before we even complete one. 😂

 

11 hours ago, Pizy said:

It’s amateurish. Tuchel will have had lots of names and ideas in Marina’s/Cech/whoever handles these things’ hands for ages. 

Just like Conte had surely long since studied and identified the weak areas he needed to plug at Spuds and just like Gerard did at Villa. Tuchel will have told them we need “this, this, and this.”

Clubs that we’ll be competing with will have made 3-4 signings each before we make even 1.

I have been making this same point for years now. A point people seem unwilling to accept or to contemplate its implications. We are not an attractive club to top level players. We can list all the targets we want but, unless no one else wants them, they usually won't consider us.

Justified or not, we have a reputation for; dour football, stinking up the joint in big international games, a crap stadium, poor home support, and misusing our players. The upshot is that it is far, far more difficult for us to sign big names than it is for clubs with a better reputation. Established elite players will not come here until they are mainly interested in boosting their pension plans, exciting youngsters will choose other destinations unless they are forced to accept that none of their preferred clubs want them.

I have argued that we should never pay superstar prices because genuine, established, superstars don't join Chelsea. When we pay top prices we are wasting our money on a second tier player, at best. We need to shop super smart in 'our' market and gradually work on changing the way we are seen. That process should have started years ago but it must start now.

Edited June 17, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Mário César 1,252]

12 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

 

I have been making this same point for years now. A point people seem unwilling to accept or to contemplate its implications. We are not an attractive club to top level players. We can list all the targets we want but, unless no one else wants them, they usually won't consider us.

Justified or not, we have a reputation for; dour football, stinking up the joint in big international games, a crap stadium, poor home support, and misusing our players. The upshot is that it is far, far more difficult for us to sign big names than it is for clubs with a better reputation. Established elite players will not come here until they are mainly interested in boosting their pension plans, exciting youngsters will prefer other destinations unless they are forced to accept that none of their preferred clubs want them.

I have argued that we should never pay superstar prices because genuine superstars don't join Chelsea. When we pay top prices we are wasting our money on a second tier player, at best. We need to shop super smart in 'our' market and gradually work on changing they way we are seen. That process should have started years ago but it must start now.

how not?

we won 2 champions league in the last 10 years 

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

 

I have been making this same point for years now. A point people seem unwilling to accept or to contemplate its implications. We are not an attractive club to top level players. We can list all the targets we want but, unless no one else wants them, they usually won't consider us.

Justified or not, we have a reputation for; dour football, stinking up the joint in big international games, a crap stadium, poor home support, and misusing our players. The upshot is that it is far, far more difficult for us to sign big names than it is for clubs with a better reputation. Established elite players will not come here until they are mainly interested in boosting their pension plans, exciting youngsters will prefer other destinations unless they are forced to accept that none of their preferred clubs want them.

I have argued that we should never pay superstar prices because genuine superstars don't join Chelsea. When we pay top prices we are wasting our money on a second tier player, at best. We need to shop super smart in 'our' market and gradually work on changing they way we are seen. That process should have started years ago but it must start now.

To add something further to this, we have a poor track record of not strengthening adequately when on top and in prime positions to do so.

And that doesn't have to be superstar signings, it should be strong recruitment to add to a good thing already going here. The last time we arguably did this was bringing in Hazard amongst others after winning the Champions League. Since then the two league title winning campaigns and last summer off the back of the Champions League weren't good enough. I understand the points you make, but there will also be periods whereby clubs will look a lot more attractive to targets then in other times and off the back of big, successful seasons we should have done more work to stay there and build on it. City have been doing this a lot better than we have.

Hopefully there will be a much more structured and joined up way of thinking between scouting/recruitment, board and manager moving forward that allows us to build a better structure where players are being bought in as an obvious 'fit' to flourish. It is something that I do actually have a bit more confidence in the new ownership doing in time. Americans are usually a lot more patient in their approach and more likely to let specialists get on with doing the jobs they're paid to do. The failures of the Americans at Arsenal and United are more down to a lack of investment across the club and a disconnect from fans. I know it might not mean much to some but from what I've seen of Boehly coming to games, having his picture taken with fans over recent weeks suggests he 'gets' it unlike other owners. The investment over the next decade that the consortium has committed too should ensure that the club can flourish and grow so long as the money is being invested wisely and correctly. 

[King Kante 1,643]

1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Aston Villa all had their transfers lined up and ready to finalize the first week of the window. I am not buying that these deals take an incredible amount of time and we just started speaking to clubs and players after the sale was complete. If so our people that handle transfers need to go. Our recruitment people, if there is such a plan had months to put together a plan. What were they doing all this time? 

So, the people who handle transfers were meant to go out and negotiate transfers with other agents/clubs/players when: 

A) They didn't know who was going to be the new owner or what the confirmed budget was. 

B ) Under heavy financial sanctions that forbade any dealings that could've resulted in significant money being moved. 

C) They didn't even know themselves if they were going to keep their job. 

D) Couldn't tell the agent/player/club where the money for said player would be coming from. 

I get people want stuff done but seriously the situation needs to be considered this year around. I mean, I was going absolutely ape in 2017 but that was a very different situation to now.